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Title: I need boss dd3 schematic
Post by: Fp-www.Tonepad.com on June 15, 2004, 12:57:43 AM
Please!

fp
fp@tonepad.com
Title: I need boss dd3 schematic
Post by: zeta55 on June 15, 2004, 01:10:11 AM
Check your mail.
Title: I need boss dd3 schematic
Post by: Fp-www.Tonepad.com on June 15, 2004, 01:22:35 AM
I haven't received it yet. Can you email it again?

Thanks!
Fp
Title: I need boss dd3 schematic
Post by: zeta55 on June 15, 2004, 02:32:22 AM
Sent.
Title: I need boss dd3 schematic
Post by: Maneco on June 15, 2004, 06:07:15 AM
http://www.8bitsindgenug.net/boss_dd2.png
Title: I need boss dd3 schematic
Post by: Fp-www.Tonepad.com on June 15, 2004, 11:14:07 AM
Thanks, I got the email.

Thanks Maneco, but that schematic doesn't match the pedal I have here.

The board says "BOSS DD-3A". Does anybody have this schematic?

Fp
Title: I need boss dd3 schematic
Post by: Fp-www.Tonepad.com on June 15, 2004, 03:46:34 PM
btt
Title: I need boss dd3 schematic
Post by: Fp-www.Tonepad.com on June 15, 2004, 05:54:34 PM
I'm going to keep bumping this one to the top...

I really need this schematic!!

Fp
Title: I need boss dd3 schematic
Post by: Fp-www.Tonepad.com on June 16, 2004, 02:35:02 AM
btt
Title: I need boss dd3 schematic
Post by: Dirk_Hendrik on June 16, 2004, 07:13:21 AM
Quote from: Fp-www.Tonepad.comThanks, I got the email.

Thanks Maneco, but that schematic doesn't match the pedal I have here.

The board says "BOSS DD-3A". Does anybody have this schematic?

Fp

Are the differences that big? I had DD2's and DD3's which had the same board. I cannot imagine that you have something so entirely different all of a sudden that the schem that you have now is 100% worthless?
What's the prob with your DD?
Title: I need boss dd3 schematic
Post by: Fp-www.Tonepad.com on June 16, 2004, 11:41:02 AM
The circuit blocks are similar, but the controller IC is very different.

The DD2/3 schematic only helps very little

Fp
Title: dd 3 schematic
Post by: bioark on October 14, 2004, 09:21:45 AM
please i need ...please
the board number is dd3 a
Title: I need boss dd3 schematic
Post by: O on October 14, 2004, 12:29:41 PM
Hate to piggyback, but I'm going to be needing one soon. :)

thanks in advance...

-Oscar
Title: I need boss dd3 schematic
Post by: Paul Marossy on October 14, 2004, 07:23:36 PM
I don't suppose Roland would give you one if you requested it, would they?
Just a thought.  8)
Title: I need boss dd3 schematic
Post by: cd on March 30, 2005, 11:52:54 AM
Bringing up this old post since I could use the schem as well, and Roland/BOSS has been a brick wall (so far).

The new/re-issue DD-3 is very different from the old DD-2/3 - the schem floating around for the original is maybe 50-75% the same.  I haven't traced out the newer one (3A board) yet, and I'm not going to :) but so far the differences/puzzling things to me are:

- only one DRAM chip - MB81464-10, which I looked up as a 4x64k DRAM chip (the original had three 4164 DRAM chips.)  Is the single 4x64k DRAM made up of four 64k chips (for a total of 256k) whereas the original had three (for a total of 192k)?
- different microcontroller - no surprise there
- the 4066 - is this used as an A/D, D/A converter??  I thought it was a CMOS switch?
- the oscillator still uses a 74HC00, but at first glance, it's wired completely differently (different range?)  
- JRC311D chip - voltage comparator - haven't figured out what this is for yet
Title: I need boss dd3 schematic
Post by: Dirk_Hendrik on March 30, 2005, 12:00:34 PM
The DA is used for AD conversion (with a 12 bit R2R resistor ladder) using the SAR principle (for more info, google). The 4066 is used to switch the sample and holds.
Title: I need boss dd3 schematic
Post by: cd on March 30, 2005, 12:19:19 PM
Thanks for the pointers, Dirk!  Found a good site with A>D explanations:

http://scitec.uwichill.edu.bb/cmp/online/el21c/lesson11.html
Title: I need boss dd3 schematic
Post by: dpresley58 on March 30, 2005, 12:44:37 PM
Quote from: Paul MarossyI don't suppose Roland would give you one if you requested it, would they?
Just a thought.  8)

"Give"...? Nope, but they probably -will- send you one.... I just got a copy of the PSM schem from them. Of course, it took three weeks and $25 bucks...
Title: I need boss dd3 schematic
Post by: Fret Wire on March 30, 2005, 02:49:36 PM
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Some ship immediately, some (older models) have to be printed up. 2-3 week wait on reprints. Your credit card is charged as they ship.
Title: I need boss dd3 schematic
Post by: cd on April 20, 2005, 06:11:15 PM
FYI, I had time to trace through some of the circuit in my newer DD-3 (from '93 or so, AKA the one that does NOT match up with the widely available schematic), here are some of the more interesting findings:

- uses an MN51010RBA controller chip - don't bother Googling it, there's no datasheet :)
- there is 74HC00 which works as VCO in the DD-2/3.  In the new DD-3, there is also a 74HC00, but it doesn't work as an oscillator - in the new DD-3, that chip is setup as a flip-flop in place of the BA634 in the old DD-2/3, which acts as a mute circuit (confused yet?).  The 74HC00 in the new pedal connects to the same regions/places as the old BA634.
- which leads me to believe, the delay time is still voltage controlled, but instead of the delay time knob working the 74HC00 (like in the DD-2/3) in the new DD-3 the delay time knob goes directly into the MN51010RBA controller chip - so there must be a VCO built into the controller chip... right?
- read through this entire thread for other info, the DRAM config is different too, there's a single 4x64k DRAM instead of three individual chips

That's about it, the actual signal path looks similar, I didn't bother to trace the whole thing out (so DO NOT ask me for a schematic - there's a # to call for one right above this post) but the compander is still there, works the same way with the same pre/post filtering, mixer, etc.

I'm going to try to dink with the VCO to get more delay time... am I right in thinking that I have to SLOW down the controller chip to do this?  i.e. the controller works more slowly so it refreshes slower which means more time?  Of course there's the danger of going too slow, which means not refreshing at all...

More reports as the experiments continue.
Title: I need boss dd3 schematic
Post by: cd on May 14, 2005, 06:21:15 PM
OK, by dinking with the voltages going into the controller, I was able to get up to 1.7 seconds of delay time.  I know what you're thinking - yay! BUT at 1.2 seconds and above, you start to get some real nasty digital noise.  I know again what you're thinking - fine, just increase the pre and post filtering - well, then the tone starts to suffer big time (no highs!)  I was able to settle into a new max delay time of 1 second, which is a compromise between least noise and good highs with the stock filtering - though of course, the stock 800ms second setting sounds best to my ears.  You can do this with the usual internal trimmers - of course if you bugger up you're pedal, that's your own fault, not mine.

OK then, what's the next step if you want more delay time - add RAM of course!  I have a line on the exact 4x64k RAM used in the newer DD-3, however there's a $100 minimum order involved so no dice.  And I'm not going to bother cobbling together a group buy because frankly, you might as well mod a DD-5 or DD-6!!