I have long been interested in the Bond Electraglide guitar ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bond_Electraglide ). The brainchild of Scottish inventor Andrew Bond, for a guitar produced in 1985, it was miles and miles ahead of anything else produced at that time, having many innovations like a "stepped" fretless fretboard, and distinctively-coloured visual displays of the settings for the on-board electronically-controlled EQ. It used a 2-piece moulded synthetic body, similar to old Supros, but made of different material than either fibreglass or carbon fibre.
Other than meeting up with Stephen Giles at Heathrow Airport, the only other must-do I had planned for our trip to Scotland last year was seeing the Bond "in the flesh" at the National Museum of Scotland. Frustratingly, when we visited there and I searched for it in vain, a guide told me it had been moved back to the permanent collection the month before (most museums will rotate their holdings, due to a lack of display space). I had written to the son of the late Andrew Bond some years back, inquiring about a possible circuit diagram. He did write back, informing me that he had looked but could not find any such information. So, the Bond secrets remained out of reach.
I had hoped to be able to learn more at the museum, but to no avail. Encouragingly, the museum guide directed me to the information desk, who provided me with the e-mail address of the curator of that section of the museum. I finally got around to writing him, and this morning received a reply with some photos. I've cropped and reduced slightly, this photo, which shows the principal circuit board. He also sent a pic of the disassembled body and the back of the circuit board. And no, Dino, I am not going to send you the front/back photos and ask you to reverse engineer it. But the pic gives some idea of the complexity of the electronics. I'm guessing that the LM13600s were for the EQ and volume settings.
Enjoy!
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Mark, your far reaching knowledge never fails to surprise me. I've lived in Scotland all of my life (played guitar most of it) and never heard of this guy or his invention.
Interesting stuff. Until now I though the only good thing to come out of the Black Isle was the beer!
I do believe that Edge "abused" one on "The Joshua Tree" album for three songs.
Hell, that layout :icon_twisted:
Hope someday, i can make like that in perf. Bless me!
not with lots of jumper in bottom, of course
Quote from: slashandburn on February 26, 2018, 11:12:53 AM
Mark, your far reaching knowledge never fails to surprise me. I've lived in Scotland all of my life (played guitar most of it) and never heard of this guy or his invention.
Interesting stuff. Until now I though the only good thing to come out of the Black Isle was the beer!
Perhaps you have to be old enough to have seen it initially show up. I actually forget where I first heard of it, but it was around the time it first came out. I was especially intrigued because I had sort of predicted guitars with similar sorts of electronics in the 1979 article I had in DEVICE magazine/newsletter. So, seeing all these ideas fully realized, and so exquisitely, captivated my attention.
Here's the 2-piece moulded body:
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And the display viewed from the player's angle, showing the settings for volume, treble and bass.
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And here's the fretless stepped fretboard.
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Like I wrote back to the NMS curator, this beats seeing "Dolly" in the flesh by a long shot. I've been listening to a CBC podcast series on the Scottish Enlightenment of the late 18th century. For my money, Andrew Bond ranks up there with the Adam brothers, Adam Smith, David Hume, Francis Hutcheson, William Cullen, Robert Watt, and the rest.
This is really interesting, Mark, and brings back memories. Not sure where I would have read about it: it's a bit early for Guitarist magazine (which I've been reading forever). It seems there's a bunch of information around the webz, including at the NMS (https://www.nms.ac.uk/explore-our-collections/stories/science-and-technology/bond-electraglide-guitar/). Also came across this link (http://guitarcollecting.co.uk/2009/01/05/bond-electraglide/comment-page-1) with some interesting information and anecdotes - including Dave Sidley, who designed the electronics, and also the son of the late Andrew Bond. And even more interestingly, on page #2 of the comments, there's a familiar-looking name - one "pinkjimiphoton" - who appears to have had one of these beasts, at least back in 2012. @Jimi: tell us you still have it! :D
Intrigued. Brilliant .
Quote from: bluebunny on February 26, 2018, 01:39:59 PM
This is really interesting, Mark, and brings back memories. Not sure where I would have read about it: it's a bit early for Guitarist magazine (which I've been reading forever). It seems there's a bunch of information around the webz, including at the NMS (https://www.nms.ac.uk/explore-our-collections/stories/science-and-technology/bond-electraglide-guitar/). Also came across this link (http://guitarcollecting.co.uk/2009/01/05/bond-electraglide/comment-page-1) with some interesting information and anecdotes - including Dave Sidley, who designed the electronics, and also the son of the late Andrew Bond. And even more interestingly, on page #2 of the comments, there's a familiar-looking name - one "pinkjimiphoton" - who appears to have had one of these beasts, at least back in 2012. @Jimi: tell us you still have it! :D
Many thanks for directing me to that thread. Some interesting information in there.
I tracked down David Sidley, and just sent him a note asking if there was more technical info on the guts available. Fingers crossed that he writes back.
And Jimi, have you been holding out on us?
Oh, and folks DO realize the subject line is from this scene in Goldfinger, right?
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First thing that occurs to me is...
They were never, ever, ever going to be able to produce an affordable left handed version.
I can play a right handed guitar turned around, but I wouldn't be able to see the display on the Bond - I suppose I could add a mirror though.
Dave Sidley notes in the thread that Bluebunny linked to just how much difficulty, cost, and retooling, they had to go through just to install a tremolo arm in time for Musikmesse. A left-handed version would have bankrupted them a year or two earlier.
Of course, even with a mirror, the numbers would be backwards, as would the colour sequence.
> the subject line is from...
If _I_ expected a dead Bond, I'd knock him out with a laser-wrench, drag him out behind the Lair to avoid clean-up, and use a gun. The only reason to slice a guy with a laser beam is great movie scene and probable (inevitable) villain gloating and hero turn-about.
I can't help but think of this Bond parody, from xkcd:
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Quote from: PRR on February 26, 2018, 05:19:25 PM
> the subject line is from...
If _I_ expected a dead Bond, I'd knock him out with a laser-wrench, drag him out behind the Lair to avoid clean-up, and use a gun. The only reason to slice a guy with a laser beam is great movie scene and probable (inevitable) villain gloating and hero turn-about.
The Simpson's parodies of the inevitable escape scenes are so hilarious. I like the episode with Scorpio.. Homer Leads to the hero's demise.
That guitar is cool too Mark, sorry to get off on a tangent!
Quote from: Mark Hammer on February 26, 2018, 04:24:57 PM
Of course, even with a mirror, the numbers would be backwards, as would the colour sequence.
Last year's camera phone set on selfie and some duct tape. Problem solved.
QuoteOf course, even with a mirror, the numbers would be backwards, as would the colour sequence.
That's ok Mark, we lefties are naturally expert mirror writers/readers.
Thanks a lot Mark. Very cool indeed. That fretboard is really thinking outside of the box.
I remember reading about this one back in the day as well. I did always wonder how they were going to deal with "fret" wear. Would need an entire new fingerboard and maybe neck to accomplish that.
Quote from: PRR on February 26, 2018, 05:19:25 PM
> the subject line is from...
If _I_ expected a dead Bond, I'd knock him out with a laser-wrench, drag him out behind the Lair to avoid clean-up, and use a gun. The only reason to slice a guy with a laser beam is great movie scene and probable (inevitable) villain gloating and hero turn-about.
Premise re-used several times in every Batman episode ever. Must devise especially clever and time consuming way to kill Batman, but we can't possibly stick around to make sure it works, don't cha know.
mark,
my friend doug carroll is still an "authorized" electraglide repairman, so... if ya need parts, or power supplies or whatev, let me know.
i sold mine on ebay for 1800 a couple years ago.
honestly, they LOOK cool, but they sound like an anemic strat. using push buttons to control volume and tone and pickup selection was really lame imho... noisy too. the little computer screen thing was cool. they weigh too much and i just found the whole thing dodgy as hell.its really a crappy plastic over designed guitar. i was glad to be done with it when it went.
How heavy was it?
as i recall, around 20 lbs. made my les pauls seem light
That seems odd, given that the body is synthetic, and hollow. Did yours have the Kahler trem?
they weren't hollow, and weren't lite weight. the ones with the kahler addition were never produced, trying to redesign the guitar bankrupted the company. there used to be the whole story available thru google, i dunno if that info is still out there or not the way the net neutrality thing is.
they LOOKED wicked cool... but outside of looks... it was a plastic over designed melody maker with an elementary computer in it... that's likely where a lot of the weight came from. it not only had preamp with tone stack, but all the other circuitry for just the pickup switching.
mine was very early, and was absolutely NOT carbon fiber, but plastic. probably also where the weight came from. the phenolic plastic covering the stepped fretboard had a bit of wear too on a couple of the "frets".
tried searching google and didn't find much other than regurgitation unfortunately.
one of them deals like a gibson doubleneck. they look great, they sound great, but once ya own one, ya end up selling it. they weigh too much, the necks are like super thin classical width 20 fretters instead of the more usual les paul dimensions..
looks can be decieving. i truly hope you find one so you can try it and see if it resonates with you.... make sure you play it a lot before buying tho if at all possible... as i recall, the active electronics were also noisy and not particularly fuzz friendly which is also a deal breaker for me.
i looked up my sale on ebay hoping to find more info, but the listing is so old all i could see was mention on my feedback profile.
That's rather disappointing news. :icon_sad: I expected this thing to be the greatest since sliced bread.
Although the imlementation may have been problematic, you gotta admit some of the ideas behind it were pretty neat.
dude, it was the neatest thing since sliced bread, for real.... but, much like a zune or something.... great ideas sometimes don't matter.
personally, for me the big deal breakers were weight, the power supply (t/r/s 1/4" sharing the ground between the power for the onboard comp and the audio) but mostly the frets. the neck was nicely shaped and pretty comfy for chords if you weren't sliding toward te bass range, but i regularly do ridiculous bends to ludicrous lengths and this bent about as good as a fretless guitar.
you could do it, but it may snap out from under your finger, and it just wasn't pleasant.
for more chordal playing it may be hip, but for me... i'm a les paul or strat guy who splits the diff with a firebird or 3.
i wish you could play one. you would either love it or hate it instantly. my brother whom i'd inherited it from also had a gitler in his collection... now THAT was much MUCH cooler... and very weird. if you've never seen one, they were made by a guy in israel, and are in the museum of modern art. a fishbone skeleton looking instrument with some sophisticated capabilities... very minimalist.
http://gittlerinstruments.com/order (http://gittlerinstruments.com/order)
http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2013/01/31/the-gittler-guitar-is-strikingly-minimal-and-offers-the-best-synth-tracking-on-the-market/ (http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2013/01/31/the-gittler-guitar-is-strikingly-minimal-and-offers-the-best-synth-tracking-on-the-market/)
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Features:
Abrasion resistant Titanium construction
Active electronics and tone shaping controls
LED fret marker lighting
6 individual pickups
Hexaphonic output capability
Patented locking string mechanism
Adjustable bridge
Locking strap anchor points and adjustable bout
Interchangeable acrylic neck profiles
Deluxe version with black chrome DLC coating
the bond was a cool concept, but these ones are at least as cool, and having had the privelige to play both, the gitler just wins in spades.
Mr Bond is getting his tailored trousers trimmed right this moment on the Early Movie. (I have no clue which channel.)
This is also the movie where a 5,000 Pound Lincoln is crushed to a cube, then dropped in the back of a Falcon Ranchero (800 Pound rated payload) and driven away on a bad road. Oh, and a ton of Gold too. Someone actually figured this was a problem (even without $1Mil of Gold). A "reduced" crush-cube is in the drop-scene. The highway scene is a yet-lighter crush-fake. Then in the last scene the whitewall tires turn to blackwall, because this filler scene was shot at Pinewood Studios with yet another fake crush.
https://autouniversum.wordpress.com/2015/07/08/the-cars-of-james-bond-ford-falcon-ranchero/
A very tiny bit of Goldfinger was actually filmed in KY. Louisville IIRC, and some aerials of Ft Knox.
The crushing was done in Florida. OJ drives in in a 1964 Lincoln, they crush a 1963 Lincoln, and the final crush-block has almost no Lincoln in it; the 2nd block in the Pinewood shots is at least the third. A very small crew spent a few days at Kentucky, without Connery. Good old Pinewood served nearly all the scenes. The "inside of Ft Knox" is total fantasy and unlikely; however they had to post guards because people were stealing the gold-painted "bars". Some work in Switzerland, and a last few days in Kentucky.
I played one of these back in the 80s when they were new. I thought it was quite interesting.