Steve, Gez, and any others out there...
Please report for duty at your earliest convenience, and let us know you're alright.
Thanks, and my sympathies.
Mark
see the OT Lounge; they`re there...
We're fine and thanks for the kind thoughts Mark.
It's a very sad day here in London, I've given up on work, just can't
consentrate on anything as frivolous as music, at the moment .....
Marty.
Quote from: MartyMartWe're fine and thanks for the kind thoughts Mark.
It's a very sad day here in London, I've given up on work, just can't
consentrate on anything as frivolous as music, at the moment .....
Marty.
That's completely understandable. I've had days like this in my life (watching the challenger explode through my office window, 9/11, etc) where the
only thing that made any sense was to go home and give my wife a big hug.
Glad you are okay, Marty. Stay close to your loved ones and forget about the everyday routine for a while.
Doug
Glad to say I'm still here Mark. Not the first time I've been through all this, but it feels different this time...
My sympathy to London'ers, and all of the UK, today. What's happened is horrible.
yup ... quite shocking news ... hope all are well.
America supports our British brothers and sisters...
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You guys take care. Glad to hear that you are ok.
Terrible news.
i came here to see if you guys were ok. News from Stephen giles?. I will never understand terrorism. It's shocking even in here, thousands of miles away. Hope some day mankind understand the value of life. Anyways, glad you london people are ok. Let's wait for stephen and others to report. Black day for the whole world.
I was in work at 0800 so got there before it began. One of our guys who comes in later was in one of the tube trains that blew up. He's physically okay but pretty distressed.
Thanks for thinking of us.
Jay.
Hope everyone out there is OK. Horrible to hear of this. The people of London have come through bad situations before.... WWII, IRA, now this.
Mike
i'm very glad you guys are alright, and sad for the ones that aren't including their families and frinends.
i just got a costum order from a gent in london last night :shock:
i'm gonna go email him.
peace,
tom
I'm 400 miles away but it doesn't make me feel any better at all as this type of attack on the innocent is just inexcusable and cannot be justified ANYWHERE ANYTIME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: swti came here to see if you guys were ok. News from Stephen giles?. I will never understand terrorism. It's shocking even in here, thousands of miles away. Hope some day mankind understand the value of life. Anyways, glad you london people are ok. Let's wait for stephen and others to report. Black day for the whole world.
Unfortunately these terrorists see things in a different way. Their kind is the only kind and their way is the only way. They have no reasoning, no compromising. Their belief is the western world and those associate with it is evil and should not live. Think of them like multiple terminators. They will not stop. Right now it's either kill or be killed and that is the harsh reality.
It sickens me when events like this occur. It is senseless and careless. If they wanna fight, let's fight, military vs. military, leave the innocent civilians out of it.
Hi there, I was 20 miles away from all this. The emergency services of course knew exactly what to do and have been absolutely organised and already, some of the transport services are up and running - and so the droppings from my dog's arse to these cowardly ragheads. They will neither win here nor anywhere else in the world - I pontificate.
Stephen
I dont think we should let events like this affect the values we treasure most, freedom, liberty, tolerance and justice.
I fear this will turn british politics and british society into hateful vengeful racist entities, and comments like "ragheads" re-affirm my fear.
I think the head of the metropolitan police said it better when he said that "this isnt the muslim way, or atleast my understanding of islam"
Let us not sacrafice the values that make Britain Great and bring justice to the monsters who commited this atrocity.
Hopefully the british response to this attack will not mirror the knee jerk reaction of our transatlantic brothers, and we can call on our experience with the IRA to deal with this horrible terrorist threat once and for all.
I for one will not live in fear, and I wont allow fear to control the people.
My heart goes out to those affected in any way by this deplorable cowardly attack.
Quote from: StephenGilesThey will neither win here nor anywhere else in the world - I pontificate.
Stephen
Well, Steve's OK
;-) ;-)
Well said, Nelson. I wish more people in the US had that kind of mentality after 9/11.
So do I, so do I. I wish they had that mentality now.
.........and I expect thay have little willies!
Quote from: nelsonI dont think we should let events like this affect the values we treasure most, freedom, liberty, tolerance and justice.
I fear this will turn british politics and british society into hateful vengeful racist entities, and comments like "ragheads" re-affirm my fear.
I think the head of the metropolitan police said it better when he said that "this isnt the muslim way, or atleast my understanding of islam"
These bombers and terrorists are exactly in line with what the Q'ran says. They are the most true muslims. The rest who disagree with these acts are "muslim" by race, "islam" by religion. Before I start sounding sympathetic to the bombers, just let me say it's horrible what they've done, but there is one good thing in them: they understand a concept of absolute truth. Something IS absolutely true, fortunately, the Q'ran, I believe, is not it.
Thank God that all muslims do not live what the Q'ran actually says or there would be no place in this world you could hide, and these bombings would either kill us all or convert us all because there are too many of them--if they all did as the Q'ran says they ought.
That being said, I agree that turning into a racist vengeful society is no good, but there is justice to be done. Justice would not be going to Islamic countries and bombing their innocent civilians, or to make war on their country. Justice would be to find the perpetrators and string them upside down by their testacles with mutiple strands of steel guitar string and play a tune on it. :wink: (That is, those involved who didn't blow themselves up)
...rather, there are more humane ways to ensure justice is served.
The same can be said for most religions except buddhism. Christianity taken to its absolute truth would result in a Theocracy of iranian proportions, a medievil style justice system.....think witches......
There are extreme fundamentalist christians who have committed similar acts (oklahoma). The problem is not with race or religion, it is with society. I truly believe the only way to deal with terrorism is to treat the "root" causes of it. Those being poverty, ignorance, theocracies and huge class stratification within societies that produce individuals who hold beliefs similar to those who commit these heinous acts and the circumstances to justify them.
As with all in life, a balance and moderation is needed.
For the record, I dont believe Stephen is racist.
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That opens up a can of worms, nelson. :lol: It's crazy how hard it is not to start a discussion on that topic, but I realize this is not the forum for discussing religion and politics.
So to conclude, much sympathy to the Londoners. I remember how 911 cast a shadow on the US, even when I was 2000 miles from it. Stick in there all you from the UK, and count your blessings you who didn't personally lose any loved ones in the bombings.
Quote from: TransmogrifoxThat opens up a can of worms, nelson. :lol: It's crazy how hard it is not to start a discussion on that topic, but I realize this is not the forum for discussing religion and politics.
So to conclude, much sympathy to the Londoners. I remember how 911 cast a shadow on the US, even when I was 2000 miles from it. Stick in there all you from the UK, and count your blessings you who didn't personally lose any loved ones in the bombings.
however it is on topic for this off topic post.
Back to stompboxes..... :)
Frankly I don't care what I am called, there is still freedom of speech here and political correctness does not exist to me so I shall say what I like. If someone does not like it - tough! Believe me when these bastards are caught and taste British steel, they will wish they'd never been born, I'm quite sure of that - I pontificate again!
Stephen
Quote from: StephenGilesFrankly I don't care what I am called, there is still freedom of speech here and political correctness does not exist to me so I shall say what I like. If someone does not like it - tough! Believe me when these bastards are caught and taste British steel, they will wish they'd never been born, I'm quite sure of that - I pontificate again!
Stephen
I tend to lean more toward your side. Getting to be overly "tolerant" is similar to mixing milk and sugar with your coffee until you can no longer taste the coffee. Pardon me, but I like mine black and strong. It's good to see there are still some Brits that know what a gun is and what it's good for.
Pontificate at will, Stephen.
Thankyou my friend - i think zero tolerance!!
Stephen
I am not for "over tolerance" however if an innocent muslim gets killed because of racism spurred on by this act then that is wrong. I would just like to avoid incidents like this and know that "political correctness" has nothing to do with it.
No offence lads, but I come here to get away from all this, it's bad enough that it's on TV 24 hours a day.
Transfer to lounge possibly?!
Looks like a second wave of attacks in London. Three tube stations affected. Seems like 'smoke bombs' were let off, no reports of casualties yet.
Just heard there's another bus 'incident'...
Read of a nailbomb. And that nobody has been hurt ...
But one very smart (. . . :roll: ) tv-station here in germany allready saw parallels to alquaida ... yes for sure ... they're out of c4 now they use ..... SMOKE ....
Sorry, no funny topic at all.
The emergency barriers keep being moved back by the police, indicating there is still danger, also people are reporting a funny smell.
there have been preliminary tests at one tube station which came to the conclusion that no biological or chemical agents were used.
one person injured, speculation it is one of the bombers. Royal college hospital has also been evacuated.
London has basically been crippled by police evacuating areas.
Personally I am fearful that these are biological or chemical attacks. It would explain the pattern of police behaviour.
Statement by Tony Blair from COBR(bunker control centre under whitehall) expected soon.
Being friends with a couple of actual religious muslims, I'd like to make it very clear that that is NOT true. Almost all muslims are very ashamed at the behavior of those uncivilized individuals who think that blowing things up is part of their religion. I myself have read the Qur'an (In the original tongue (urdu)...as I said, my friends are rather religious), and although there is some mention of purging at the end of the world (which is in almost every religion), and mention of gaurding the holy land (*cough* crusades *cough*) there is no mention of killing in the name of. Islam is not a violent relgion, and does not advocate killing other people. A lot of this is an interpretation by some select morons, who believe that killing is a part of their religion.
Sorry for being a bit angsty....but c'mon...I'm not supporting the bombers in any way, but I'm just saying...blame it on the cause of idiots and not a religion that is often falsified.
Cheers,
Nish
Though these would appear to be *actual* explosions, rather than simply rumours of them, nonetheless one wonders about comparisons between this and the whole anthrax thing that gripped the US for months after 09/11. I'm certainly not dismissing today's events as unworthy of concern, but at the same time, it would seem there are always idiots who seek to ride on the wave of tension created by major events; so-called copycats.
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Sorry for being a bit angsty....but c'mon...I'm not supporting the bombers in any way, but I'm just saying...blame it on the cause of idiots and not a religion that is often falsified.
Cheers,
Nish
very true, matches my sentiments exactly.
This is also a sad case of religion being used for political ends, atleast in the terms of suicide bombers brainwashing and OBL "fatwas".
By comparison you have to love European secularism, :lol: .
Dont think the USA could be called secular atm though.
I think that most Londoners are unphased by this sort of thing, because Uncle Ken Livingstone, the Mayor said so, so it must be true :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Stephen
Quote from: StephenGilesI think that most Londoners are unphased by this sort of thing, because Uncle Ken Livingstone, the Mayor said so, so it must be true :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Stephen
LOL.
but showing a unified front is the quintessentially british thing to do.....
I expect the people who trampled over other people in the tube stations were somewhat phased.
Quote from: nelsonI expect the people who trampled over other people in the tube stations were somewhat phased.
Bloody tourists!