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Title: distortion comparison..Korg ax3000g/Dr boogie/Burning Crunch
Post by: dschwartz on August 05, 2008, 11:03:10 PM
Hi all..
i found this very nice backing track and wanted to record a solo over it using my 3 favorite distortions.

setup:
jackson jdr94->Dual rectal (modded Dr boogie)->burning crunch (modded krank DM)->crybaby->korg ax3000g delay+4X12 cab sim-> pc
Dual rectal and burning crunch had a 4kHz LPF to soften the sound a little

Clip 1:
http://diynoise.googlepages.com/funkdsm.mp3 (http://diynoise.googlepages.com/funkdsm.mp3)

this is my Fx  processor mesa boogie´s marshall emulation.

Clip 2:
http://diynoise.googlepages.com/funkdr.mp3 (http://diynoise.googlepages.com/funkdr.mp3)

Dual rectal

Clip 3:
http://diynoise.googlepages.com/funkbc.mp3 (http://diynoise.googlepages.com/funkbc.mp3)

burning crunch

......

the three sound different, but have a common timbre..maybe is my playing..
I tried to play similar things on each track..note the wah parts..with the dual rectal just screams!!!! and burning crunch is warmer and thicker, note the neck position....

sorry for the big files.. but i´m sure you´ll enjoy them!!!!
Title: Re: distortion comparison..Korg ax3000g/Dr boogie/Burning Crunch
Post by: dschwartz on August 06, 2008, 11:10:20 AM
no comments?  :icon_cry:
Title: Re: distortion comparison..Korg ax3000g/Dr boogie/Burning Crunch
Post by: mnordbye on August 06, 2008, 11:55:32 AM
Everyone sounds great! I love the Dr. Boogie, but have yet to build one... Which layout did you use?

Magnus Nordbye
Title: Re: distortion comparison..Korg ax3000g/Dr boogie/Burning Crunch
Post by: dschwartz on August 06, 2008, 11:59:30 AM
i used gaussmarkov´s layout with a few mods, like smaller coupling caps, smaller treble cap, and bigger presence cap...
Title: Re: distortion comparison..Korg ax3000g/Dr boogie/Burning Crunch
Post by: harmonic on August 06, 2008, 12:40:43 PM
Woot!!!!

Love the 'satch'iness of your playing (though there's tons of other stuff in there too!)

I think I prefer the third one. It has a clarity that I like.
Title: Re: distortion comparison..Korg ax3000g/Dr boogie/Burning Crunch
Post by: dschwartz on August 06, 2008, 03:03:25 PM
haha yeah, i love satch´s groove and bluesyness..i also like nuno´s playing a lot (if you hear closely, you can detect some licks or style similarities).. the backing track just screams "satch!!" ..like cool n°9..

i pretty happy with this cause i checked that the pedals i built sounds great recorded and is not just "fatherhood condescendence",.. And i´m also happy cause too much DIY affected my guitar skills a lot, and now i know that with a good warm up and a bit of practice i can get back to my good playing days..
Title: Re: distortion comparison..Korg ax3000g/Dr boogie/Burning Crunch
Post by: philbinator1 on February 20, 2010, 09:03:06 AM
Quote from: dschwartz on August 06, 2008, 11:10:20 AM
no comments?  :icon_cry:

the links didnt work for me.
Title: Re: distortion comparison..Korg ax3000g/Dr boogie/Burning Crunch
Post by: StereoKills on February 20, 2010, 11:18:01 AM
Quote from: philbinator1 on February 20, 2010, 09:03:06 AM
the links didnt work for me.

Same here. Although I'm eager to hear them since I'm also a Satriani fan.
Title: Re: distortion comparison..Korg ax3000g/Dr boogie/Burning Crunch
Post by: dschwartz on February 21, 2010, 12:04:19 AM
oh, this was an old thread.. i moved the clips to goear:

burning crunch:
http://www.goear.com/listen/74a312f/funk-burning-crunch-dsmnoisemaker

dual rectal:
http://www.goear.com/listen/1bf693f/funk-dual-rectal-dsmnoisemaker

texas brownie (new. strat first, then jackson)
http://www.goear.com/listen/37b4672/texas-brownie-funk-dsmnoisemaker

texas (ad-lib with house full of bullets backing track (sorry satch!))
http://www.goear.com/listen/018a648/texas-satch-dsmnoisemaker

IMHO, texas brownie blows the others away, high gain but clean. still working on its mild overdrive tones.
Title: Re: distortion comparison..Korg ax3000g/Dr boogie/Burning Crunch
Post by: philbinator1 on February 21, 2010, 06:27:11 AM
Quote from: dschwartz on February 21, 2010, 12:04:19 AM
oh, this was an old thread.. i moved the clips to goear:

burning crunch:
http://www.goear.com/listen/74a312f/funk-burning-crunch-dsmnoisemaker

dual rectal:
http://www.goear.com/listen/1bf693f/funk-dual-rectal-dsmnoisemaker

texas brownie (new. strat first, then jackson)
http://www.goear.com/listen/37b4672/texas-brownie-funk-dsmnoisemaker

texas (ad-lib with house full of bullets backing track (sorry satch!))
http://www.goear.com/listen/018a648/texas-satch-dsmnoisemaker

IMHO, texas brownie blows the others away, high gain but clean. still working on its mild overdrive tones.

Is that you playing man?!  Nice playing.  Anyway i thiiiink i liked the burning crunch the best (i really like that sound...very slash/zakk wylde), then dual rec, and i didn't much like the brownie.  may i ask what kind of amp your using?
Title: Re: distortion comparison..Korg ax3000g/Dr boogie/Burning Crunch
Post by: dschwartz on February 21, 2010, 10:12:31 AM
Quote from: philbinator1 on February 21, 2010, 06:27:11 AM
Quote from: dschwartz on February 21, 2010, 12:04:19 AM
oh, this was an old thread.. i moved the clips to goear:

burning crunch:
http://www.goear.com/listen/74a312f/funk-burning-crunch-dsmnoisemaker

dual rectal:
http://www.goear.com/listen/1bf693f/funk-dual-rectal-dsmnoisemaker

texas brownie (new. strat first, then jackson)
http://www.goear.com/listen/37b4672/texas-brownie-funk-dsmnoisemaker

texas (ad-lib with house full of bullets backing track (sorry satch!))
http://www.goear.com/listen/018a648/texas-satch-dsmnoisemaker

IMHO, texas brownie blows the others away, high gain but clean. still working on its mild overdrive tones.

Is that you playing man?!  Nice playing.  Anyway i thiiiink i liked the burning crunch the best (i really like that sound...very slash/zakk wylde), then dual rec, and i didn't much like the brownie.  may i ask what kind of amp your using?
yup that is me. Thanks!
i like the brownie the most because it "feels" better on the fingers( and the fact that i designed it :P), but indeed, the BC has a really nice tone!!

for the recordings i used: pedal-->korg ax3000 for delay--> multicab sim --> soundcard

for practicing i use my lovely 90´s peavey bandit
Title: Re: distortion comparison..Korg ax3000g/Dr boogie/Burning Crunch
Post by: knealebrown on February 21, 2010, 11:27:06 AM
The brownie blows the others away for clarity, although there are so many variables in the mix. never been much of a fan of totaly saturated distortion tones. Nice design anyway.
Title: Re: distortion comparison..Korg ax3000g/Dr boogie/Burning Crunch
Post by: philbinator1 on February 22, 2010, 06:35:14 AM
I'd love to hear them through a true tube amp...maybe you have a little 20 watter lying around somewhere   ;)  in fact it might
change my opinion of the brownie; i suspected the recordings weren't done through a tube amp.  I reckon the brownie would
benefit from Ye Olde Valves.
Title: Re: distortion comparison..Korg ax3000g/Dr boogie/Burning Crunch
Post by: dschwartz on February 22, 2010, 08:26:31 AM
well, i´m one of the few "crazy people" that thinks that tubes are overrated..to me, the texas sounds as tubish as any tube amp i´ve played (and even more). i think better recording would maybe change your mind..
i didn´t recorded the the three at the same time..different days, different eq´s..

I still think the brownie is better, if you like van halen, kenny wayne shepperd and that sorta sounds.. of course for metal and fat high gains, the others are better.

I´ll record new demos of the brownie, i have a new version with more gain and compression..


Title: Re: distortion comparison..Korg ax3000g/Dr boogie/Burning Crunch
Post by: philbinator1 on February 22, 2010, 08:48:30 AM
Quote from: dschwartz on February 22, 2010, 08:26:31 AM
well, i´m one of the few "crazy people" that thinks that tubes are overrated..to me, the texas sounds as tubish as any tube amp i´ve played (and even more). i think better recording would maybe change your mind..
i didn´t recorded the the three at the same time..different days, different eq´s..

I still think the brownie is better, if you like van halen, kenny wayne shepperd and that sorta sounds.. of course for metal and fat high gains, the others are better.

I´ll record new demos of the brownie, i have a new version with more gain and compression..



You sell your pedals, right?
Title: Re: distortion comparison..Korg ax3000g/Dr boogie/Burning Crunch
Post by: dschwartz on February 22, 2010, 01:03:19 PM
yup, like 10 a year, just for fun..

BTW, the TB is a product of trying to get Nuno Bettencourt´s tones from "waiting for the punchline" record..my favorite guitar tones..it is not oriented for metal or shred stuff.
Title: Re: distortion comparison..Korg ax3000g/Dr boogie/Burning Crunch
Post by: Slade on February 23, 2010, 11:45:32 AM
Now, this is impressive.
Your work on the distortion field is amazing, Daniel. I will not say anything about your playing skills ( :icon_eek: )
You have made such a good work in the short time you have to do it. That's admirable. I envy that, you know, to be such a genius to work like this. TheTB is a freaking rock machine.

Oh, and I agree about "Tubes are overrated" :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: distortion comparison..Korg ax3000g/Dr boogie/Burning Crunch
Post by: knealebrown on February 23, 2010, 01:10:05 PM
Quote from: Slade on February 23, 2010, 11:45:32 AM

Oh, and I agree about "Tubes are overrated" :icon_twisted:

not to bring up 'that old argument again' but i have to disagree. I dont know if were talking strictly pedals here but a tube amp gets my vote over a SS amp any day. they just sound better to my ears thats all. Come to think of it can anyone think of any famous guitarist that has strictly used SS amps? Mind you that brownie sounds very very tubey  :icon_cool:
Title: Re: distortion comparison..Korg ax3000g/Dr boogie/Burning Crunch
Post by: alex frias on February 23, 2010, 01:42:14 PM
Very well done, man!
Very guitarish distortion your TB!
About your playing, very nice fluidity and sense of rhythm, some people simply don't pay attention to these when shredding...
Title: Re: distortion comparison..Korg ax3000g/Dr boogie/Burning Crunch
Post by: Slade on February 23, 2010, 01:49:51 PM
Quote from: knealebrown on February 23, 2010, 01:10:05 PM
Come to think of it can anyone think of any famous guitarist that has strictly used SS amps?
Maybe I like them because of that ;)
Title: Re: distortion comparison..Korg ax3000g/Dr boogie/Burning Crunch
Post by: dschwartz on February 23, 2010, 01:55:51 PM
Quote from: Slade on February 23, 2010, 11:45:32 AM
Now, this is impressive.
Your work on the distortion field is amazing, Daniel. I will not say anything about your playing skills ( :icon_eek: )
You have made such a good work in the short time you have to do it. That's admirable. I envy that, you know, to be such a genius to work like this. TheTB is a freaking rock machine.

Oh, and I agree about "Tubes are overrated" :icon_twisted:
Gracias Fernando, viniendo de ti es un gran honor!!! Si algun dia andas por santiago, te invito unas chelitas!

Quote from: knealebrown on February 23, 2010, 01:10:05 PM
Quote from: Slade on February 23, 2010, 11:45:32 AM

Oh, and I agree about "Tubes are overrated" :icon_twisted:

not to bring up 'that old argument again' but i have to disagree. I dont know if were talking strictly pedals here but a tube amp gets my vote over a SS amp any day. they just sound better to my ears thats all. Come to think of it can anyone think of any famous guitarist that has strictly used SS amps? Mind you that brownie sounds very very tubey  :icon_cool:
i neither want to get into that, i have discussed that issue too much.. But two things..if we are talking strictly pedals (not including preamps), tubes are VERY VERY overrated, or simply put..they suck. If we are talking amps..well most people say they´re better, some fewer people say that it´s a matter of design, not technology.  And i´m one of those fewer people.

The argument about famous guitarrists using only tube amps is a little weak, there are (or were) a lot of famous guitarrists using SS (frank zappa-pignose, brian may-deacy, BB king/Ty Tabor-Lab series L5, john fogherty-kustom SS, santana (woodstock)-Gallien krueger, Dimebag-Randall, Allan Holdsworth- Yamaha, Mike Stern- Yamaha, Tom Scholz-Rockman, neal schon-Lab series, Billy Gibbons- Valvestate power amps live!, among others) . The big difference is that the most famous get payed to say the use Tubes, since for the amp makers, selling a tube amp means many times more revenue than selling an SS amp. more revenues-->more money--> more publicity--> more pics of slash and Yngwie hugging their tube amps--> more people thinking that tubes are THE way to go.

of course, tube amps sound great!!!! but, i just don´t think they are the secret behing someone´s tone, or that they have some magical electronic behaviour that makes you play better or sound better. I´ve heard many guys with vintage$$$$$ tube stuff sound like pure crap, and other guys sound like the voice of god through an SS cheap amp, and viceversa. Obviously, i´ve heard more tube amps sound good than SS, but mostly because you see more SS amps on an amateur level.
Title: Re: distortion comparison..Korg ax3000g/Dr boogie/Burning Crunch
Post by: dschwartz on February 23, 2010, 02:00:52 PM
Quote from: alex frias on February 23, 2010, 01:42:14 PM
Very well done, man!
Very guitarish distortion your TB!
About your playing, very nice fluidity and sense of rhythm, some people simply don't pay attention to these when shredding...
Thanks for copmplimenting my playing.. That backing is very comfortable for my style, it has a nice groove that i like and lets you play at different speeds and moods..

When improvising over a shred style baking track, i truly suck!!! i never used a metronome for practicing and it shows.
Title: Re: distortion comparison..Korg ax3000g/Dr boogie/Burning Crunch
Post by: Slade on February 23, 2010, 03:55:05 PM
Quote from: dschwartz on February 23, 2010, 01:55:51 PM
Gracias Fernando, viniendo de ti es un gran honor!!! Si algun dia andas por santiago, te invito unas chelitas!

Lo tendré muy presente, sería genial!

Quote from: dschwartz on February 23, 2010, 01:55:51 PM
of course, tube amps sound great!!!! but, i just don´t think they are the secret behing someone´s tone, or that they have some magical electronic behaviour that makes you play better or sound better.
That's all. Overrated doesn't mean that they sound bad or worst than SS amps ;)
Title: Re: distortion comparison..Korg ax3000g/Dr boogie/Burning Crunch
Post by: dschwartz on February 23, 2010, 04:09:03 PM
Quote from: Slade on February 23, 2010, 03:55:05 PM
Quote from: dschwartz on February 23, 2010, 01:55:51 PM
Gracias Fernando, viniendo de ti es un gran honor!!! Si algun dia andas por santiago, te invito unas chelitas!

Lo tendré muy presente, sería genial!

Quote from: dschwartz on February 23, 2010, 01:55:51 PM
of course, tube amps sound great!!!! but, i just don´t think they are the secret behing someone´s tone, or that they have some magical electronic behaviour that makes you play better or sound better.
That's all. Overrated doesn't mean that they sound bad or worst than SS amps ;)

jaja si, su kuntsmann bock o torobayo..valdivianas...

that´s exactly the point, slade..not better or worst..just overrated.