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Title: a program for manipulating text/font graphics for label artwork?
Post by: mordechai on May 29, 2012, 06:54:24 PM
I would like to know how to take a text cooked up with standard fonts in, say, Microsoft Word, and "shape" them in a way similar to these examples:

http://www.lumpystoneshop.com/lemondrop.htm (http://www.lumpystoneshop.com/lemondrop.htm)

(http://www.mjmguitarfx.com/britbender.htm)


Anybody know how to do this??
Title: Re: a program for manipulating text/font graphics for label artwork?
Post by: mordechai on May 29, 2012, 06:55:03 PM
Oops...I meant to include this example as well:

http://www.mjmguitarfx.com/britbender.htm
Title: Re: a program for manipulating text/font graphics for label artwork?
Post by: artifus on May 29, 2012, 07:07:12 PM
http://inkscape.org/ (http://inkscape.org/)

http://www.brownbatterystudios.com/sixthings/2008/11/11/arched-text-an-inkscape-tutorial/ (http://www.brownbatterystudios.com/sixthings/2008/11/11/arched-text-an-inkscape-tutorial/)
Title: Re: a program for manipulating text/font graphics for label artwork?
Post by: mordechai on May 29, 2012, 07:27:55 PM
Thanks that's really helpful!
Title: Re: a program for manipulating text/font graphics for label artwork?
Post by: Mustachio on May 29, 2012, 08:44:21 PM
In Photoshop After you create your font you have a set of tools at the top one of which is called warp text. Here you can do everything your looking for and you have pretty good control over it.

Its simple and fast. Id imagine other image editors like gimp do the same thing , but the tool may be called something different. :)
Title: Re: a program for manipulating text/font graphics for label artwork?
Post by: mordechai on May 29, 2012, 10:51:57 PM
Thanks, I'll give it a shot!
Title: Re: a program for manipulating text/font graphics for label artwork?
Post by: deadastronaut on May 30, 2012, 05:21:11 AM
+1 on inkscape!...no pixelation etc.. and plenty of tutorials too..

great free prog. 8)
Title: Re: a program for manipulating text/font graphics for label artwork?
Post by: mwynwood on May 30, 2012, 05:57:08 AM
There is an awesome thread around here somewhere where people are collecting their artwork and designs and making them available.
Here it is: http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=97046.0 (http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=97046.0)
Title: Re: a program for manipulating text/font graphics for label artwork?
Post by: Steve Mavronis on May 30, 2012, 06:18:36 AM
GIMP
www.gimp.org
Title: Re: a program for manipulating text/font graphics for label artwork?
Post by: markeebee on May 30, 2012, 07:28:37 AM
Or you can use the 'WordArt' tool in MS Word to warp the text into shapes like the ones you linked to.  Word has some great graphics tools, often overlooked.
Title: Re: a program for manipulating text/font graphics for label artwork?
Post by: defaced on May 30, 2012, 10:33:26 AM
If you want to permanently hack a font, use FontCreator.  http://www.high-logic.com/font-editor/fontcreator.html (http://www.high-logic.com/font-editor/fontcreator.html)
Title: Re: a program for manipulating text/font graphics for label artwork?
Post by: mordechai on May 30, 2012, 04:03:32 PM
Well, what I would like to do is draw a shape (an oval, for example) and move a text into it so that it fits the shape -- very much like what the MJM Brit Bender does with the word "Bender".  Having a hard time learning how to do this on inkscape, and photoshop seems to require a PhD (I have one of those, but in ancient history, so once again, I am reminded of how useless it is for practical purposes!).
Title: Re: a program for manipulating text/font graphics for label artwork?
Post by: deadastronaut on May 30, 2012, 06:55:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJI6CHcQr-U

Title: Re: a program for manipulating text/font graphics for label artwork?
Post by: FiveseveN on May 30, 2012, 08:58:01 PM
The keyword(s) is "text on a path". Many vector (e.g. Adobe Illustrator) and raster (Adobe Photoshop) graphics or layout (Adobe InDesign, Scribus) packages offer this feature, even Nero Cover Designer. It's also included in the SVG standard (http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/text.html#TextOnAPath), which is what Inkscape works with.
So it shouldn't be too hard to pick one environment you'd find comfortable and Inkscape is probably a good place to start, being free and open-source and using an open vector graphics file format. The Adobe suite has a pretty steep learning curve up front but can't be beat in terms of features, which is what you'd expect from an expensive product targeted at professionals.
Title: Re: a program for manipulating text/font graphics for label artwork?
Post by: davent on May 30, 2012, 09:32:07 PM
Quote from: mordechai on May 30, 2012, 04:03:32 PM
Well, what I would like to do is draw a shape (an oval, for example) and move a text into it so that it fits the shape -- very much like what the MJM Brit Bender does with the word "Bender".  Having a hard time learning how to do this on inkscape, and photoshop seems to require a PhD (I have one of those, but in ancient history, so once again, I am reminded of how useless it is for practical purposes!).

Did you check out the Inkscape tutorial artifus linked, it's a pretty detailed account of how to morph lettering to match an oval outline.
Title: Re: a program for manipulating text/font graphics for label artwork?
Post by: mordechai on May 30, 2012, 10:30:39 PM
I did indeed see that tutorial, but it's not really what I was going for.  I really want the text/fonts to conform to the shape of an oval.  So, for example, if I type "Fuzz Face", and move it into an oval shape, I would want the first "F" of "Fuzz to be small, the "u" and "z" to be progressively larger/elongated, and the second "z" and first "F" of "Face" to be most elongated, and then the remaining letters to get progressively smaller, so the words "Fuzz Face" actually resembly an oval. 

I think I did a pretty crappy job explaining that.  I will just have to accept the headache that will come with learning a new program over a few weeks' time so that I can do this myself, because the tutorials online aren't really addressing my questions, though they are demonstrating the flexibility and parameters of the program which is helpful.
Title: Re: a program for manipulating text/font graphics for label artwork?
Post by: FiveseveN on May 31, 2012, 01:47:25 AM
Oh, now I get it! I missed the examples before the other post. It's a completely different situation and you have a couple of options:
Hopefuly I threw a bunch of new concepts at you and if you want to get deeper into this mess you now know where to start from.
Title: Re: a program for manipulating text/font graphics for label artwork?
Post by: mordechai on May 31, 2012, 07:01:45 AM
Alright -- I'll give it a shot.  I do have access to Illustrator so perhaps that's the place to begin.
Title: Re: a program for manipulating text/font graphics for label artwork?
Post by: markeebee on May 31, 2012, 08:45:51 AM
Not wishing to bang on about it, but......this is close, I think.  Took about 30 seconds using WordArt.  The oval is just there to show how the text relates to the shape; with a little more jiggery pokery the text can follow the oval more closely.

(http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr124/markeebee/ff.jpg)
Title: Re: a program for manipulating text/font graphics for label artwork?
Post by: gmoon on May 31, 2012, 09:19:51 AM
Inkscape rocks...although I think it used to be easier to warp text, it's more powerful now. Basically, it involves converting the text to a path, then using the "Path Effects Editor" (add "Envelope Deformation" to the effect list).

Here's a video:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/3773088/how_to_bulge_and_warp_text_in_inkscape/

But whatever works...
Title: Re: a program for manipulating text/font graphics for label artwork?
Post by: FiveseveN on May 31, 2012, 11:59:06 AM
...or two minutes in Illustrator:
(http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/5974/bender01.jpg)
The font is more condensed than in the example, obviously, but the workflow is there.
Title: Re: a program for manipulating text/font graphics for label artwork?
Post by: RandomGlitch on May 31, 2012, 06:45:02 PM
+1 for Inkscape.

I use it for everything.. labels on pedals, band posters, presentation diagrams at work...

It's a great program.
Title: Re: a program for manipulating text/font graphics for label artwork?
Post by: JohnForeman on June 01, 2012, 07:12:58 AM
not trying to hijack the thread, but along the same lines.  How does everyone go about getting the correct dimensions for the labels?  i.e.  I want to create a border type label for the top of my pedal, how to i create the boarder the correct size so it fits the size of my enclosure?  short of wasting a bunch of paper with print/adjust/print...  I have gimp and inkscape installed.  not familiar with either one.  I looked around in gimp looking for a way to draw lines based on length and not just free hand.  I wasn't even able to figure out how to set the line thickness.  I will need to spend some time with the tutorials.  I have seen tutorials on how to put the labels on the enclosure, but none on actually creating the labels...
Title: Re: a program for manipulating text/font graphics for label artwork?
Post by: mordechai on June 01, 2012, 11:08:47 AM
Quote from: markeebee on May 31, 2012, 08:45:51 AM
Not wishing to bang on about it, but......this is close, I think.  Took about 30 seconds using WordArt.  The oval is just there to show how the text relates to the shape; with a little more jiggery pokery the text can follow the oval more closely.

(http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr124/markeebee/ff.jpg)

Yes, that's really close to what I'm going for.  But I didn't find anythng like that option in the Word Art on my Microsoft Word program...are there options buries in there that I'm not seeing?
Title: Re: a program for manipulating text/font graphics for label artwork?
Post by: Steve Mavronis on June 02, 2012, 01:52:10 AM
Quote from: JohnForeman on June 01, 2012, 07:12:58 AM
not trying to hijack the thread, but along the same lines.  How does everyone go about getting the correct dimensions for the labels?  i.e.  I want to create a border type label for the top of my pedal, how to i create the boarder the correct size so it fits the size of my enclosure?  short of wasting a bunch of paper with print/adjust/print...  I have gimp and inkscape installed.  not familiar with either one.  I looked around in gimp looking for a way to draw lines based on length and not just free hand.  I wasn't even able to figure out how to set the line thickness.  I will need to spend some time with the tutorials.  I have seen tutorials on how to put the labels on the enclosure, but none on actually creating the labels...

I use GIMP and set the default Image/Advanced Options to 300 DPI and Default Grid/Spacing to 30x30 Pixels. That way you can accurately measure things to scale. Just take your real world measurements in inches and multiply times 300 to get the pixels size. I also use snap to grid as needed.