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airguitar

can't find 1/4 10Kresistor can i use a 1watt ?
« on: December 05, 2017, 03:03:53 PM »
I can't find a 10K resistor with 1/4 watts at my local store is there a problem if i use a 1watt  10K resistor ?
« Last Edit: December 05, 2017, 03:06:40 PM by airguitar »

GibsonGM

Re: can't find 1/4 10Kresistor can i use a 1watt ?
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2017, 03:10:08 PM »
Hi Air, and welcome to the forum :)

You sure CAN use a higher wattage resistor, any time...only restraint is the space you have on your board.  Of course at some point it becomes ridiculous, but if that's all you have, go for it!

Of course you don't want to go the other way, for example using a 1/2W when a 1W is called for, but I didn't need to tell you that  :) 

PS - if you CAN get 1/2W resistors or what have you, locally, you can put two same value in parallel with each other to get 1/2 the resistance....two 22k/10% resistors in parallel  will give you ~11K, which is close enough usually.   

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airguitar

Re: can't find 1/4 10Kresistor can i use a 1watt ?
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2017, 03:23:37 PM »
Thanks for your quick reply gibson it's nice to be here i'm just getting started :)
i guess i ll go with the bigger wattage resistor cause space is not an issue for my project.
I found another problem though i want an 2.2M resistor but can't find that one neither.I could go with a 2.7M or put in parallel two 10Mohm resistors(that's the closest i can get :P)
BTW my project i chose to start is the one from premier guitar https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/21291-build-your-own-stompbox?page=1

wavley

Re: can't find 1/4 10Kresistor can i use a 1watt ?
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2017, 03:46:15 PM »
Thanks for your quick reply gibson it's nice to be here i'm just getting started :)
i guess i ll go with the bigger wattage resistor cause space is not an issue for my project.
I found another problem though i want an 2.2M resistor but can't find that one neither.I could go with a 2.7M or put in parallel two 10Mohm resistors(that's the closest i can get :P)
BTW my project i chose to start is the one from premier guitar https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/21291-build-your-own-stompbox?page=1

You'll actually be closer if you parallel one 2.7M with a 10M for 2.176M.  2.7M is probably close enough for dirt, if you're trying this on a breadboard you can experiment with the change in sound of the resistors you already have.

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airguitar

Re: can't find 1/4 10Kresistor can i use a 1watt ?
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2017, 03:53:07 PM »
thanks i ll go for it and see the results

Mark Hammer

Re: can't find 1/4 10Kresistor can i use a 1watt ?
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2017, 03:57:16 PM »
Short of resistors that determine how much juice an effect draws from a power supply, most of the things we build or repair/mod here can work with resistors as low as 1/8W.  Keep in mind that the wattage rating is an indicator of how much heat it can dissipate before turning into a fuse and going "poof".  The surface-mount resistors we often see in effects these days are even lower wattage-rated, but as far as through-hole parts are concerned, 1/8W is likely as low a value as you'll find.

As has been noted by others, use of a higher-wattage rating simply means you may have difficulty fitting it in the available space.

Sometimes one can cope with that by simply mounting the resistor vertically (i.e., one end lead gets bent completely 180-degrees).  Just keep in mind that when such resistors end up being "tall", there is a risk of shorting out the exposed part of that bent lead against the back of a pot or some other conductive surface.  Happily, that can be remedied by simply planning out where panel-mount components are to be installed, so as to avoid such mishaps.  And of course, if your next available opportunity/order provides you with the lower rating called for originally, one can always stick in a smaller wattage unit.

bluebunny

Re: can't find 1/4 10Kresistor can i use a 1watt ?
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2017, 04:34:56 PM »
Welcome to the Hotel California.  :D

Buying one resistor at a time is going to be expensive and frustrating.  While you may not (yet) have your sights set on building hundreds of pedals, it's fair to say that you might unwittingly find yourself building one or two (or twelve) more after this initial foray [see paragraph #1].  So try to buy stuff a bit more "in bulk".  The unit cost will fall dramatically and you'll be able to do it mail order and the postage won't be 800% of your purchase.  And just by luck, there's a 15% coupon current right now at our favourite far-eastern discount component emporium - Tayda.  (And for when you need more specialist parts - and I assume you're in the US - then head over to our also-favourite ursine purveyor of DIY bits and pieces, Smallbear.)

Have a bit of search on the forum for "what components should I buy a dozen of?" threads - there are plenty of them.  Then get your order in before COB on the 8th!  ;D
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GibsonGM

Re: can't find 1/4 10Kresistor can i use a 1watt ?
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2017, 05:23:18 PM »
Yes, see if you can buy a whole pack of resistors,  Air!!   You'll want to get lots of the recommended parts, because you will be addicted to this soon!

Of course, resistors in series just add...so, 10K and a 4.7K = 14.7k.

The way to come up with odd values of resistance with 2 resistors in PARALLEL using what you have is this formula, which is how Wavley got his answer:

R1XR2 /  R1 + R2 which is also called "product over sum", and is used for only 2 resistors in parallel.

10M * 2.7M  = 27M ,   then  divided by  12.7M approx = 2.2Meg (close enough for our non-precision purposes)

You will pick this up as you go along :)  Basic electronic tutorial are all over the net, check some out!

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EBK

Re: can't find 1/4 10Kresistor can i use a 1watt ?
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2017, 05:45:24 PM »
I use an app called ElectroDroid (for Android OS) to quickly figure out what combination of resistors I need for a particular oddball/out-of-stock resistance value.  It's been quite handy.  Here's a screenshot example:
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Re: can't find 1/4 10Kresistor can i use a 1watt ?
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2017, 10:46:38 PM »
> i want an 2.2M resistor but can't find that one neither.I could go with a 2.7M

That's usually fine.

Here it is entirely fine. That circuit is very self-compensating.

antonis

Re: can't find 1/4 10Kresistor can i use a 1watt ?
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2017, 05:39:49 AM »
High value resistors are rarely used for their "absolute" resistance rather than "relatively huge" one..
(in the way they are more of "voltage carries" than "current limiters"..)
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GibsonGM

Re: can't find 1/4 10Kresistor can i use a 1watt ?
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2017, 09:35:15 AM »
Using a calculator like Eric showed is really the way to go...doing it by hand can be very frustrating!    Mentally figuring to get "1/2" or "1/3" isn't too bad, but for really interesting combinations, it could hurt your head, ha ha...

Try doing it for THREE resistors in parallel! ;)    That's why in the long run it's simpler to buy about THREE full sets of resistors - you won't face this issue for a LONG time...
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armdnrdy

Re: can't find 1/4 10Kresistor can i use a 1watt ?
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2017, 11:50:27 AM »
If you can’t find a 10K ¼ watt resistor at your local store……
Find another store!

The resistor you are “searching” for is one of the most commonly used values and sizes.
Tell us where in the world you are located, and maybe we can suggest other options for your electronics shopping pleasure.
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PRR

Re: can't find 1/4 10Kresistor can i use a 1watt ?
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2017, 11:45:35 PM »
> Using a calculator like Eric showed is really the way to go...doing it by hand can be very frustrating!   
> Mentally figuring to get "1/2" or "1/3" isn't too bad, but for really interesting combinations, it could hurt your head, ha ha...
> Try doing it for THREE resistors in parallel!


Disagree. Figuring parallels SHOULD be a basic builder skill. Like a soldier figuring rifle windage, a guitarist slicing chords, a house framer figuring rafter lengths, a logger figuring a drop.

A calculator with a 1/x key is ample. While $1 4-banger calcs don't have this (you can do it long-ways but that's tedious), all PC/Mac and cellfone app calcs have a "scientific" mode. I keep a $11 TI-30 right-at-hand.

Of course when not feeling too sharp, *series* resistors are easier to figure and cover most cases.

VERY Off-Topic for this forum: Doug Self has posted tables to look-up odd values as combinations of standard values.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analog-line-level/315269-willmann-tables-available-douglas-self.html

EBK

Re: can't find 1/4 10Kresistor can i use a 1watt ?
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2017, 05:39:41 AM »
Sure, Paul, I agree that being able to figure out parallel combinations with a simple 1/x calculator is critical to understanding electronics, but once you've got over, say, 1,000 of those calculations under your belt, it is ok to reach for quick convenience. 

Besides, with a soldering iron in one hand and a beer in the other, a simple app is potentially less work for my toes than a TI-30 would be.   :icon_razz:
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antonis

Re: can't find 1/4 10Kresistor can i use a 1watt ?
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2017, 08:11:45 AM »
@airguitar: You can easily imagine how things would result if you haven't verbalize such a make do with "Yes/No" question..  :icon_biggrin:
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GibsonGM

Re: can't find 1/4 10Kresistor can i use a 1watt ?
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2017, 08:43:04 AM »
> Using a calculator like Eric showed is really the way to go...doing it by hand can be very frustrating!   
> Mentally figuring to get "1/2" or "1/3" isn't too bad, but for really interesting combinations, it could hurt your head, ha ha...
> Try doing it for THREE resistors in parallel!


Disagree. Figuring parallels SHOULD be a basic builder skill. Like a soldier figuring rifle windage, a guitarist slicing chords, a house framer figuring rafter lengths, a logger figuring a drop.

A calculator with a 1/x key is ample. While $1 4-banger calcs don't have this (you can do it long-ways but that's tedious), all PC/Mac and cellfone app calcs have a "scientific" mode. I keep a $11 TI-30 right-at-hand.

Of course when not feeling too sharp, *series* resistors are easier to figure and cover most cases.

VERY Off-Topic for this forum: Doug Self has posted tables to look-up odd values as combinations of standard values.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analog-line-level/315269-willmann-tables-available-douglas-self.html


Well, I suppose, Paul...I know I have no trouble finding the resistance of say 4 R's in parallel, and wouldn't bother go lookup a calculator online for that, it would take longer than figgering...but rearranging the eqn to set myself up for "how can I get X resistance using these 4 resistors?" is WAY more than I want to do!   It's the box on there that says "enter desired value" that I find attractive  ;)   Honestly don't think I've ever gone that route, though.

Yeah, I do agree that everyone should know "1 / 1/R1 + 1/R2 +.....1/Rn " and what it's for.   Looking at a schematic, you won't always have an online calculator (or ANY calculator, maybe!).   Like Eric said, then you get 1,000 down, maybe it's ok to toss #'s into an applet if you want, but never be dependent on it, no no.... 2 cents....
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Re: can't find 1/4 10Kresistor can i use a 1watt ?
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2017, 08:55:40 AM »
Besides, with a soldering iron in one hand and a beer in the other, a simple app is potentially less work for my toes than a TI-30 would be.   :icon_razz:

eric, I thought you worked the scissors with your feet.

[too_cents] at times, I spend far too much time playing at parallel resistor calcs, but only ever w/ a calculator and 1/x. I wonder why anyone would need [the precision of] three resistors in parallel, except for power rating. [/money_back]
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Re: can't find 1/4 10Kresistor can i use a 1watt ?
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2017, 09:05:25 AM »
eric, I thought you worked the scissors with your feet.
I tried, but I think those scissors were made in Soviet Russia.  :icon_wink:

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Re: can't find 1/4 10Kresistor can i use a 1watt ?
« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2017, 09:38:51 AM »
> Using a calculator like Eric showed is really the way to go...doing it by hand can be very frustrating!   
> Mentally figuring to get "1/2" or "1/3" isn't too bad, but for really interesting combinations, it could hurt your head, ha ha...
> Try doing it for THREE resistors in parallel!


Disagree. Figuring parallels SHOULD be a basic builder skill. Like a soldier figuring rifle windage, a guitarist slicing chords, a house framer figuring rafter lengths, a logger figuring a drop.

A calculator with a 1/x key is ample. While $1 4-banger calcs don't have this (you can do it long-ways but that's tedious), all PC/Mac and cellfone app calcs have a "scientific" mode. I keep a $11 TI-30 right-at-hand.

Of course when not feeling too sharp, *series* resistors are easier to figure and cover most cases.

VERY Off-Topic for this forum: Doug Self has posted tables to look-up odd values as combinations of standard values.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analog-line-level/315269-willmann-tables-available-douglas-self.html

I had a professor explain why he encouraged calculators in class when we got a little more complicated.  "You wouldn't go to a job without a multimeter, why on earth would you go without a calculator" 

There are a few things you should be able to calculate and this is one of them, series caps is another good one.  Not that I don't cheat every now and then and use an app (which I've recently removed all of from my phone because it's full of amp and kid pictures) but it's a good thing to be able to do a bit intuitively, especially when you're standing in front of the parts drawers at Radio Shack on a Sunday because you just need to fix a studio monitor that broke in the middle of a mixdown session and you used most of your resistors building a Ludwig Phase II... which is a real situation that can happen.
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