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jimmy
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Tony Iommi and Yngwie
« on: December 27, 2003, 03:06:08 AM »

hi all

i know these two legends have about ZERO in common, but i have a few qs on each.

first up, what distortion pedal does tony use? i seem to remember something about a big muff, and playing sabbath through my friends vintage muff sounds pretty convincing, but i just wanted to check.

secondly, i got a DiMarzio YJM for christmas YEEHAAAA. i read the installation instructions, and turns out theres about a billion different ways to wire it. i went with standard humbucking (shock - im a single coil fan) after dad tried long and hard to get me to send it to the 'professionals' just because i am young and inexperienced. i think 15, and 9 months of experince is plenty old, and plenty experienced mwahahaha sorry dad.

anyhoo, it works, and its AWESOME but i was just wondering how yngwie had his wired up, because i checked the fender wiring diagrams and they are no help because they are in black and white.

cheers
Jim
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Ansil
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« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2003, 04:27:06 AM »

iommi used a trble booster into his amps oriignailly  and later used laney heads.


yngwie i am assuming you are tlkin about the pickups..  are in fact wired in humbuckin
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javacody
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« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2003, 09:12:57 AM »

When I was 15 (15 years ago), I would nail the black sabbath sound with an an EMG pickup into a Boss Overdrive (OD-1, the good ones) then into a Gorilla practice amp. I'd play along to We Sold Our Soul For Rock And Roll for days at a time.   Cheesy
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Ansil
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« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2003, 09:15:59 AM »

i found using a old guitar  like 60's or 70's.  and using the bridged version of the lm386 straight inot the amp.

using the middle settings  works realy nice on a sg
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Jim Jones
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« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2003, 09:20:44 AM »

Tony used SG's with custom wound pickups into a modified treble booster into Laney 100 watt heads in the early days.  Those Laney's were essentially the same circuit as the Marshall Superlead, so similar sounding to old Marshalls.  By the mid-70's he'd switched to the Laney Klipp heads and sadly his tone went entirely for crap by the late 70's.

Tony's early tone is one of my absolute favourites - "Volume 4" being the apex for me.

Jim
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brian wenz
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« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2003, 10:26:57 AM »

hello
jim!
  Yeah, not to mention that Iommi uses REALLY light guage strings on his guitars.  [.007 and .008 high to something in the .030's for the lows..!!]
 The Treble Booster was an essential part of his tone.
Brian.
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javacody
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« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2003, 10:59:13 AM »

You guys can't discount his metal finger tips.   :lol:   I'm not sure even with his exact rig, you can nail his tone!

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as the left handed Iommi
had lost two finger tips on his right hand in an industrial accident at work, necessitating the use of some ingenious
thimbles to enable Iommi to play guitar


From http://www.taker19er.netfirms.com/sabbs/files/bio/1970blacksabbath/1970blacksabbath.html
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jimmy
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« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2003, 06:30:36 PM »

i cant believe he used a treble booster!!! his sound is so bassy!! o well ive been wondering about these miracle massive-distortion producing treble boosters. anyone have a schem?

tony iommis fingers - now thats another story Cheesy  turns out they arent metal, theyre made out of detergent bottles he melted down. its all on that dvd, the last supper. i got it for christmas, its AWESOME.

ive also wondered about those laney amps. strange that he would use them over marshalls.

well i think ill dedicate the rest of my holidays to designing a circuit to try and make a good attempt at cloning the iommi sound. wish me luck!!!

cheers
Jim
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brian wenz
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« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2003, 06:55:07 PM »

Hello Hello--
    Build a Dallas Rangemaster [with a good germanium transistor] and you'll  be able to see for yourself how it affects your sound.  When played through a cranked Marshall or Vox [or Vox-type] amp you can hear all the old Queen and Sabbath tones [as well as Rory Gallagher].  It all depends on the guitar you use, too.  Fender amps don't react so well with the Rangemaster, though, so stick to British [EL-34 or EL-84 powered] amps for the "classic" sounds.
A good treble booster adds all kinds of upper-mids too, so be prepared for a big increase in "honk" !
 If you can't find a good germanium tranny there are a couple of good silicon circuits that'll get you pretty close.
There are schematics for treble boosters all over Aron's site.
Brian.
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Ansil
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« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2003, 07:48:51 PM »

Quote from: javacody
You guys can't discount his metal finger tips.   :lol:   I'm not sure even with his exact rig, you can nail his tone!

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as the left handed Iommi
had lost two finger tips on his right hand in an industrial accident at work, necessitating the use of some ingenious
thimbles to enable Iommi to play guitar


From http://www.taker19er.netfirms.com/sabbs/files/bio/1970blacksabbath/1970blacksabbath.html


his finger tips were plastic.
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javacody
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« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2003, 01:06:07 AM »

Originally, they were metal, I assure you. Not like I was there or anything, but I've read in quite a few articles, including the online article I linked.
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« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2003, 03:36:27 AM »

hmmm.   must have been something he left out when i met him.. oh well.

it was only for a minute anyway
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javacody
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« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2003, 03:48:40 AM »

Well Ansil, what do you suppose the difference would be tonewise between metal and plastic fingertips?   :lol:  Just bein silly buddy. I need to get some sleep!
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« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2003, 05:05:15 AM »

actually i tried doin something different when i was a kid as that i really thought it was inventive.   plastic did wear out quicker but it was more natural  feeling than metal.. felt like some whacked out slide

but you can do some weird overtones with the metal
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« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2003, 02:42:06 PM »

Keep in mind that a Rangemaster circuit absolutely depends on the tube amp following it for it's sound. A somewhat dark and dirty Marshall like tone is a great place to start. I did try my RM into a Music Man 110 (solid-state preamp) , and while the tone was interesting, it was not at all the trademark sound. Also, the RM in general does not *play well with others* especially any kind of buffered pedal in your chain. Germanium Fuzz Face is about the only thing that I combine the RM.

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Lobsang
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« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2003, 04:58:43 PM »

Hey guys! Its quite a surprise that Tony used a treb-boost! No wonder he and Brian May are close friends!... BTW I get a really cool Volume 4 kind of tone using a clean amp + my Tonebender clone, it works fine depending on the amp used because the thing has so much gain and output that eats amps alive, specially Marshall SS ones which are useless. It has Ge trannys, 2sb175 and 2sb22 if anybody wants to know. Happy new year!
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Bluesgeetar
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« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2003, 01:15:42 AM »

I've read a few articles of interviews with the man so:
Tuned down a whole step then drop the new low string which is now D to C so you have a dropped C tuning.  Read about Orange treble booster, Dallas Rangemaster and Univox Superfuzz being in his rig plus use of Orange amps and Laneys later.  I have a collection of old Black Sabbath videos from the real early days and one that I can remember right off the top of my head is Sweet Leaf video.  Iommi has a SG with humbuckers and an Orange amp and on top of the amp between the guitar and the input of the Orange was a small square box more shaped like an old MXR flanger not a Rangemaster.  It was clearly not a Rangemaster.  The box had only one knob and I saw no stomp switch, so maybe it was a full time job.  I've also seen many old footage of him with a SG equipped with P-90s.  Maybe he got the idea from Page to get humbuckers and coil tap them for single coil type sounds so then you see the HB SG.  You can pull a world of tricks just by dicking with the wiring of the guitar.
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Jim Jones
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« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2003, 08:36:46 AM »

I've seen some footage of Black Sabbath with an Orange backline too - but I believe those performances are from a German TV show called Musikladen (not sure on the spelling.)  Orange were the "house" amps for that show - you've probably also seen footage of Free and other bands on that show - and they're all playing through Oranges.  Smiley

As for using Laney's over Marshalls...  Sabbath is from the Birmingham area of England and so is Laney so I imagine it was just a good fit for both parties.  

Jim
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brian wenz
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« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2003, 03:38:56 PM »

Hello Hello-
    Yeah, Iommi had his treble booster "on" all the time.  He started using the SG Special [2 P-90's]   after his Strat took a dump during the first album.  If anybody has a copy of the "Rolling Stones' Rock n' Roll Circus" show, check out the Jethro Tull spot and you'll see Iommi playing his white Strat.  
   Yep, EVERYBODY used Orange gear on that show.......I've got video of Ike and Tina Turner with the Orange backline!
Brian.
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M.D.
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« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2003, 04:40:03 PM »

In My GW issue tony said at first he used some sewing thymbls untill he made some beter ones and replaced them with plastic.
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