making one guitar player sound like two

[royzic]

Hello everyone

i need help building an effect that would make one guitar player sound like two,,
i want to build a very simple delay that will have only one repeat,identical to the original. and will have two outputs, one dry and one wet,
each output will be sent to a different amp ..

looking at the first version of the rebote delay makes me think it's a good candidate-
http://www.tonepad.com/getFile.asp?id=33
what do you think?

-Roy

[MarcoMike]

the Behringer supercheap delay does what you are looking for pretty well!

of course a DIY thing would be more fun, but you're just asking for a single identical repeat...

[royzic]

Hi MarcoMike

Thanks for replying,
i know there are several  alternatives in the market, but i want to build one that is totally dedicated to this purpose.
and yes i want to build it myself..

because of the simplicity of it i think the rebote #1 would be great. i would like to know how to split the signal .
(don't have to be with an on\off switch eather)

will a diffrent version (with an IC buffer) be better?

-Roy

[R.G.]

What do you think the origin of the term "chorus" was for?

[Zben3129]

Is this for studio or live?

This won't be helpful I'm sure, but if its studio, go Jimmy Page style and record them all individually

If not, I would have recommended Rebote, but seems you have already reccomended that to yourself 

Zach

[royzic]

What do you think the origin of the term "chorus" was for?

  i know, i know,,  had a ch-1 before and thought about that too.  it is cool to have the second "guitarist" off track and off pitch ..
but this is meant to be something much simpler. 

Is this for studio or live?

if its studio, go Jimmy Page style and record them all individually

Hi Zach, it is (fortunally) for live use.. 

can someone indicate where on the rebote #1 can i extract wet signal and dry signal from?
this could be a good start...

[drewl]

Use two amps, one clean one dirty!

[Paul Perry (Frostwave)]

If you put one amp further away from the audience than the other, then that one will have a delay, compared to the first.
But personally, I'd just have one amp straight, the other with some chorus and echo.
the main problem in trying to make a signal look as though it is from a 'second' guitar, is that chorus & echo units normally have a constant LFO in them.. you really want a random LFO (that is, a noise voltage in the 0 to .2Hz region).

[brett]

Hi
I agree with Paul that a fixed delay will sound like an echo, not a second guitarist. 

Here's an idea - you might be able to replace the delay pot in the Rebote 1 with a volume pedal and fixed resistors that shifts the Rebote's delay over a limited range (say, 0.1 ms to 0.2 ms).  As you play, hold the volume pedal at different angles for different notes or passages, and it will sound like a second, imperfectly delayed, copy of your playing.
cheers

[royzic]

these are great ideas , probebly better then my original one,,
but another delayed signal running through another amp is what i need.
having the second amp in distortion is another plus ..

[rogeryu_ph]

Try pitch shifter maybe this could help although the second guitar sound(note) is higher or lower than the original sound(note).
Just like Joe Satriani song "WHY"

Roger

[newb]

ive thought of making a similar pedal  before thanks for bringing this up.
now I may be wrong im still learning. but as far as extracting the wet/dry signals, what i would do is build the circut and then find the wet and dry signals using an audio probe i believe there is an audio probe tutorial floating around somewhere, but it is simply an (output) jack connected to 2 probes one which is grounded the other would be used to find the signal point you are looking for.

if any of the experts can confirm that this would be a good way to do this please do, as i said before im still learning modulation pedals still scare me.

Peace and Love
scott

[royzic]

Hi Scott

i was looking at the Rebot 1 first,since it is the most simple delay and is best suitable for this purpose. but unlike the other rebote models, it doesn't have an IC buffer. the place to extract wet signal on the other rebotes (as well as i know)is where the signal comes out of this buffer to the delay level pot.
can anyone tell if it is even possible to do it with the rebote 1?

Please

[StephenGiles]

Your fingers are your best friend - listen to Mick Green of The Pirates.

[Paul Marossy]

Use two amps, one clean one dirty!

That always sounds cool. Allan Holdsworth does this once in a while, it sounds really cool.

And then there's the good old doubling your parts in the studio. I think that sounds the best...

[thejoe]

Sounds like you're looking for the Brian May affect. He runs direct into one AC30 and  through an intellifex XL delay into another AC30. There is also another amp that recieves delays, harmonizer from a TC Elelctronics G Force, and a rotosphere.

Joe