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MoltenVoltage

SAD1024 - List of vintage pedals that use it
« on: July 21, 2010, 11:08:38 AM »
I really want to get an SAD1024 chip but am not about to pay $79.95 + shipping - the current ebay price.

So the plan is to get a vintage pedal, pull the chip and put in a socket so I can try some other designs, but still use the original pedal.

Here are the vintage pedals I am pretty sure use it:

- EHX Electric Mistress
- Ross Flanger
- MXR Analog Delay - but NOT the M-118 version, I am pretty sure it was called M-117

anyone else know of other pedals that definitely use this chip?
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jimbanzini

Re: SAD1024 - List of vintage pedals that use it
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2010, 11:28:05 AM »
the ehx polychorus, mxr flanger and mutron flanger also use it. 

i think you'll find that you could have a hard time finding a used pedal w/ that chip for less than the going price of the chip.  i know because i tried; ended up buying the chips themselves.

let me know if you don't have any luck as my seller might have a few left. 


theehman

Re: SAD1024 - List of vintage pedals that use it
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2010, 11:30:14 AM »
I really want to get an SAD1024 chip but am not about to pay $79.95 + shipping - the current ebay price.

So the plan is to get a vintage pedal, pull the chip and put in a socket so I can try some other designs, but still use the original pedal.

Here are the vintage pedals I am pretty sure use it:

- EHX Electric Mistress
- Ross Flanger
- MXR Analog Delay - but NOT the M-118 version, I am pretty sure it was called M-117

anyone else know of other pedals that definitely use this chip?

- EHX Electric Mistress
- Ross Flanger
- MXR Analog Delay - but NOT the M-118 version, I am pretty sure it was called M-117
- EHX Deluxe Memory Man (4 knob)
- EHX Memory Man Solid State Delay
- EHX Memory Man Echo/Chorus (non stereo)
- EHX Slapback Echo
- EHX Stereo Slapback Echo
- EHX Small Clone (not all)
- ADA Flanger (early ones)
- EHX Deluxe Electric Mistress
- EHX Clone Theory (w/Edge switch)
- Sovtek Electric Mistress (prototype)
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theehman

Re: SAD1024 - List of vintage pedals that use it
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2010, 11:31:21 AM »
the ehx polychorus, mxr flanger and mutron flanger also use it. 

i think you'll find that you could have a hard time finding a used pedal w/ that chip for less than the going price of the chip.  i know because i tried; ended up buying the chips themselves.

let me know if you don't have any luck as my seller might have a few left. 



+1.  It's a shame to rob the chip from another pedal.  If it's for a DIY project why not use the MN3007 adapter?
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12Bass

Re: SAD1024 - List of vintage pedals that use it
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2010, 11:38:05 AM »
A while back I almost bid on a Ross Delay which I think had three SAD1024As in it.  The price ended up over my budget.  

Although I have one in my A/DA flanger clone, and it sounds great, I agree that it makes more sense to retrofit an MN3007 for any new builds.  Plus the MN3007 has a bit more headroom.  On a side note, I thought I might have killed it the other night when I was making adjustments.  Scary thought!  Did accidentally kill the op amp following the BBD though.
« Last Edit: July 21, 2010, 11:41:48 AM by 12Bass »
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12Bass

Re: SAD1024 - List of vintage pedals that use it
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2010, 11:40:48 AM »
Oops! please delete me!
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MmmPedals

Re: SAD1024 - List of vintage pedals that use it
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2010, 11:42:14 AM »
You could buy 2 sad512

Mark Hammer

Re: SAD1024 - List of vintage pedals that use it
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2010, 11:45:24 AM »
PAiA Phlanger, Hyperflange, and SAD-1024 experimenters board, not to mention assorted modular synth units that used it for voltage-controlled delay.

MoltenVoltage

Re: SAD1024 - List of vintage pedals that use it
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2010, 11:47:18 AM »
It's a shame to rob the chip from another pedal.  If it's for a DIY project why not use the MN3007 adapter?

Not planning to "rob" it, just "share" it with another pedal.

The reason I want the original is that I want to hear how this fabled chip sounds, and also there are some layouts already around for it.

Do you have a link for this MN3007 adapter?  Is it a separate PCB?
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12Bass

Re: SAD1024 - List of vintage pedals that use it
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2010, 11:52:17 AM »
What pedal do you want to use it in?

There's another list here:  http://www.vintagechip.altervista.org/ICs/sad1024.html

As for the sound, it may depend on the application.  The SAD1024A is probably one of the best chips for flangers due to its wide delay range and extended bandwidth.  However, CMOS clocking/buffering will get an MN3007 up to practically the same level of performance.  For chorus/delay, other chips make more sense.
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SpufuZ

Re: SAD1024 - List of vintage pedals that use it
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2010, 11:54:48 AM »
Im really interrested in that MN3007 adapter too, since i have a hard time finding the SAD1024.

MoltenVoltage

Re: SAD1024 - List of vintage pedals that use it
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2010, 11:55:59 AM »
Here is that list you just posted a link for:

ADA  Flanger
BEL ELECTRONICS  Delay/Flanger BA-40
BOSS  Flanger BF-1
DOD  Flanger 640
MXR  Flanger / Flanger M-117R
MXR  Pitch-Shift Doubler
ELECTRO HARMONIX  EH-5100, EH7500, EH-7811
ELECTRO HARMONIX  Electric Mistress Flanger (EH-5150)
ELECTRO HARMONIX  Electric Mistress Flanger (UK ver., 1980)
ELECTRO HARMONIX  Echo Flanger (EH-7700)
ELECTRO HARMONIX  Memory Man DeLuxe (EH-7550)
ELECTRO HARMONIX  Slap Back Echo (EH-4700)
ELECTRO HARMONIX  Vintage Clone Theory
IBANEZ  Flanger FL-305
VOX  1902 Flanger (1981)
ROLAND  Some Guitar Pedals
ROLAND  VP-330 (Vocoder Plus)
ROSS  Stereo Delay (R-80)
KORG  some keyboards
TEL-RAY  Morley Chorus-Flanger CFL
MAXSON  MP-DL201 Flanger
LUPINE  Systems SAD1024 Delay
HARMONY  Synthesizer
PAiA  Phlanger
ANDERTON  Flanger
MONTGOMERY APPLIANCES  77 Flanger (ADA Flanger Clone)

Mostly I want to try out the Electric Mistress - a buddy of mine used to have one and has told me how amazing it sounded.
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oldschoolanalog

Re: SAD1024 - List of vintage pedals that use it
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2010, 11:59:09 AM »
There are several incarnations of the MN3007 retrofit.
Depends what pedal you are "borrowing" the SAD1024 from.
And what pedal you plan to "share" it with.
Search for the A/DA 3007 retrofit thread and the EHX/EM 3007 retrofit thread.


 
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Fender3D

Re: SAD1024 - List of vintage pedals that use it
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2010, 02:13:37 PM »
You could buy 2 sad512

.... I guess SAD512 is way more difficult to find...

http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=79154.msg652910#msg652910
here you can find my schematic to convert MXR flanger with MN3007.
It's tested and working.
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theehman

Re: SAD1024 - List of vintage pedals that use it
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2010, 02:22:53 PM »
You could buy 2 sad512

.... I guess SAD512 is way more difficult to find...

http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=79154.msg652910#msg652910
here you can find my schematic to convert MXR flanger with MN3007.
It's tested and working.

The SAD512D (used in the MXR Micro-Chorus and others) is impossible to find.  The SAD512 is a little easier.  It's basically an SAD1024 with just one working section.  You're supposed to hook the 2 sections in parallel when using it.
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roknjohn

Re: SAD1024 - List of vintage pedals that use it
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2010, 02:59:23 PM »
"The SAD512D (used in the MXR Micro-Chorus and others) is impossible to find.  The SAD512 is a little easier.  It's basically an SAD1024 with just one working section.  You're supposed to hook the 2 sections in parallel when using it."

I have been looking for a schematic for the Micro Chorus for quite a while, does anyone have a link to the schematic? I thought I remember seeing it on the web several years back, but recent searches have not been fruitful.

Roknjohn

Fender3D

Re: SAD1024 - List of vintage pedals that use it
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2010, 03:20:27 PM »
Here you go http://....org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6946
hope the link works 'cause it's the other site...
Otherwise check my posts there...
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Scruffie

Re: SAD1024 - List of vintage pedals that use it
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2010, 03:24:29 PM »
You could buy 2 sad512

.... I guess SAD512 is way more difficult to find...

http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=79154.msg652910#msg652910
here you can find my schematic to convert MXR flanger with MN3007.
It's tested and working.
Do you have a PCB layout available to compliment the layout linked in that thread? Couldn't seem to find it.

Fender3D

Re: SAD1024 - List of vintage pedals that use it
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2010, 03:44:04 PM »
I have to search for it somewhere 'cause I had to revise it, since that pictured there was a prototype, featuring two options: with or without the tranny.. (I opted for "with the tranny")
I can provide this guts picture, you may trace it down :
www.wizardinside.it/foto/schemi/IM000571.JPG
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roknjohn

Re: SAD1024 - List of vintage pedals that use it
« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2010, 04:25:48 PM »
Quote
Here you go http://....org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6946
hope the link works 'cause it's the other site...
Otherwise check my posts there...

Found it. Thanks Fender3D.