I have a group of pedals stacked in a looper. I want to replicate the sound of these pedals in one box with one footswitch and two knobs. I need to hire an engineer to make me a protoype. I don't think this will be complicated. The pedals I'm using are popular.
thanks
Rich
lol. sure. Zomg! New burst box thread in the making.
And what do you want the two knobs to adjust :icon_wink:
Which pedals do you have in you looper? Can you provide a diagram or description of the whole system?
Following the thread for research purposes. Science! ;D
It's a fuzzface into an sd-1 with a few teaks. The knobs would to adjust the amount of effect and volume
Do you want them to put a fuzz face circuit and SD-1 into a single pedal? This almost sounds like the Visual sound pedal.
https://www.amazon.com/Visual-Sound-V2JH-Jekyll-Overdrive/dp/B0018PZR8G
I've tried that one before but my setup is a little different. Really just trying to see if anyone wants to take on a paid project and hammer out a few prototypes for me. I'm too old to learn electronics and would rather focus on the overall design.
I know this sounds brutal but could you disassemble the two units and put them into one box? I did that long ago.
Or did you want someone to design the PCB/entire circuit?
Nothing is brutal to me. I hack up stuff all the time :icon_smile: :icon_smile:
I could physically do it and would/will, but I am 42 and haven't really hit my stride as far as electronic mods go. It's time to read the writing on the wall and realize it's better to pay someone to make something electronic for me rather than deal with a long learning curve. I've been emailing professional pedal companies and trying to get someone to build my pedal for me with no luck. so hoping someone here who is more of a hobbyist/enthusiast or just starting their company wants to take on this project and get paid
Quote from: bloxstompboxes on April 21, 2017, 04:17:37 PM
lol. sure. Zomg! New burst box thread in the making.
Quote from: Ice-9 on April 21, 2017, 04:41:47 PM
And what do you want the two knobs to adjust :icon_wink:
knob one - burst. knob two - stutter.
too old at 42? I don't think that's right.
Quote from: vigilante397 on April 21, 2017, 05:28:50 PM
Science!
A circuit box with a burst button switch?
Does it also need a big copper coil?
I can probably help you out reflektors, but these things tend to be one-time-use...
when I googled Burst Box I didn't find anything about--is that a joke on the forum?
Anyone know of any builders who are looking for work?
Yes, it's a joke that has a long history on the forum. Check here if you're interested: http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=76932.0
More seriously, if you actually want to get something like this done, you most likely won't have any luck with "manufacturers", even relatively small volume ones, they're just not set up to take on jobs like this and frankly, a one-off job is too small-time for even someone who only makes 50 pedals a year.
Instead, speak with local repairmen and technicians in your area. They'll be much more inclined to take on this sort of job, and will be better set up to tackle it.
That said, I think you'll need to give some thought to what you'll be asking them to do, it sure sounds like you just want to put two pedals in one box, is it really so important that they be housed together? You're already using a loop, so switching them together isn't a problem, is it just a matter of streamlining your pedalboard or something?
Also, why on earth would you only want 2 controls out of the 5 available on the two original pedals? Just seems like you'd be greatly reducing its flexibility...
ah I get it
while I have to admit that burst box post really IS funny (and kinda WTF), --how my post is anything like that?
Offer still stands, looking to PAY someone to make my idea for me and I'm willing to PAY a headhunter reward for anyone who can link me up with a good engineer who can make me some prototypes.
I'm going to move this into the main forum where I am sure you should get people to help you. If you don't hear of anything after a short while, I know someone here (in Hawaii) that does this sort of thing. I can ask him.
Can you clarify the project? What you want exactly?
Anyone interested in building this prototype to make extra money?
knob one - burst. knob two - stutter.
I have two pedals in a Boss LS-2 loop
I want to house slightly tweaked versions of these two circuits into one box with one footswitch and two knobs
I know there's more than a total of two knobs on the two pedals, but I want to use fixed settings internally (possibly trim pots)
there's nothing vague about the tweaks, it's probably 1940's technology
I guess there are at least 2 more pieces of information that might help people bite:
1. where are you.
2. (ball park) how much are you willing to pay
good questions
I'm in Ohio, USA, would prefer to deal domestic, although if there's not too much back and forth involved (i.e., we "nail it in first or second try)
I'd go global.
I don't know where to start as far as actual numbers, but I value people's time and skills. That translates to money. My goal would be to work out payment both of us would be happy with. I'm also happy to do advances if it helps get the project going.
I frequently hire people for my business and my follow up question to "how much do you pay" is usually "how good are you?" I'd love to work with a qualified tech on this, I think it would be fun and I would learn alot myself.
I'm south of the border in KY and I could possibly help you out. I'm no engineer, but I can solder and drill holes and whatnot. I can build a Fuzz Face in my sleep, haven't tried an SD-1. I've done Tube Screamers, very similar to an SD-1.
I don't really do graphics, but there are some options there. Label maker, sharpie, paint pen, or light etching on a bare enclosure. I mostly build things for myself, and I don't care too much about visual appeal, just sound and durability. And I don't own a printer.
I've never etched a PCB, but I'm pretty good with perfboard.
Hi reflectors, I understand you are aiming to have this idea build for you but you face a couple of problems in having someone do this for you.
1st question I would ask is...You mention you want these two effects tweaked, so have you already tweaked them and they just need the rehousing? or do you need someone to tweak them for you as well, if so do you know what you want done schematic wise or is it a verbal request such as ... I need it to do X plus Y. Verbal request being the case then there could be lots of back and forth mods before you and anyone doing the work actually come to an end result as to what you tell them and what they do to realize the results. All this back and forth cost a lot in R&D time.
2nd question would be... If you say you have two pedals and how you want them tweaked all written down in black and white with component changes and values, you then get a quote to tweak and rehouse that both parties agree on. Next you get the pedal back with all the mods you requested but it does not work exactly as you thought it would then who losses all the time and effort ?
This is quite a difficult thing to tackle via posting it would be much more suited to a personal contact for example you local music store amp repairer.
You are only 42 :icon_biggrin: and I feel you would have far better odds at getting this done by posting info here of what tweaks you want done and how you want to mod the enclosures. I'm sure many of us here can help you along with getting this done yourself, and the bonus with this is that no one charges for the advice and help on the forum so you save yourself a packet and get the benefit of knowing you have done the work yourself.
what do you think of that. 8)
I'll take whatever prototype they a manufacturer and have them print it and house it with my design. The reason I need an engineer is that I need someone who can troubleshoot problems. If it's too bassy or too much gain for instance , I need them to know how the adjust that electronically
Quote from: Ice-9 on April 22, 2017, 05:25:24 PM
Hi reflectors, I understand you are aiming to have this idea build for you but you face a couple of problems in having someone do this for you.
1st question I would ask is...You mention you want these two effects tweaked, so have you already tweaked them and they just need the rehousing? or do you need someone to tweak them for you as well, if so do you know what you want done schematic wise or is it a verbal request such as ... I need it to do X plus Y. Verbal request being the case then there could be lots of back and forth mods before you and anyone doing the work actually come to an end result as to what you tell them and what they do to realize the results. All this back and forth cost a lot in R&D time.
2nd question would be... If you say you have two pedals and how you want them tweaked all written down in black and white with component changes and values, you then get a quote to tweak and rehouse that both parties agree on. Next you get the pedal back with all the mods you requested but it does not work exactly as you thought it would then who losses all the time and effort ?
This is quite a difficult thing to tackle via posting it would be much more suited to a personal contact for example you local music store amp repairer.
You are only 42 :icon_biggrin: and I feel you would have far better odds at getting this done by posting info here of what tweaks you want done and how you want to mod the enclosures. I'm sure many of us here can help you along with getting this done yourself, and the bonus with this is that no one charges for the advice and help on the forum so you save yourself a packet and get the benefit of knowing you have done the work yourself.
what do you think of that. 8)
I'm at a fork in the road here and it really is tempting to do this myself. I watched a few hours of breadboard tutorials on YouTube last night
I haven't gone back through the post to recheck if you said one of the pedals was a DS-1, I think you did. there is loads of documentation on how to mod this pedal with regards to filtering gain and different clipping. A very good document is the one made by the user 5thumbs, I can't see where it is at the moment but i'm sure someone can post the link for you.
Also check out the geofex article on the tubescreamer, this has a rundown of how each section of circuit works so if you can follow that then you can also transfer most of that knowledge to the DS-1 circuit.
these are pretty simple circuits and not rocket science.
Quote from: reflektors on April 22, 2017, 03:16:19 PM
ah I get it
while I have to admit that burst box post really IS funny (and kinda WTF), --how my post is anything like that?
Offer still stands, looking to PAY someone to make my idea for me and I'm willing to PAY a headhunter reward for anyone who can link me up with a good engineer who can make me some prototypes.
I guess I should apologize. I meant no harm. It seemed to me, at the beginning, you were asking for an entire pedal board to be cut down to 2 knobs and a switch. That would equate to a burst box, in my opinion. Now it appears you're only talking about a couple of pedals, which is entirely doable.
I am an electrical engineer but I have far too little time, unfortunately, to help myself on most days. I drive two hours a day total for commute to and from work and I have two toddlers. I have also done very little design and mostly just repair work in my career. Not many design jobs available around this area.
I really think, like others have mentioned, you could do this successfully yourself. If not alone, then with a little help from us for sure.
no apologies necessary. I think I needed to prepare myself a little before posting. I'm sure there are plenty of posts here that are a lot more clear about what they want!!
I've also had two contacts within the past few months flake out on me so I'm flustered. But things happen for a reason...
the more I start to look at breadboards and forum threads about debugging, the more the scales tip towards me just doing this myself.
get used to seeing me 8)
I make Fuzz Faces and SD-1 copies. I'd really like to know what tweaks you have on yours and what settings both pedals have so I can give it a test drive. The SD-1 is my all time favorite overdrive but I usually use it in front to boost my Rats, Muffs, Fuzz Faces, etc.
So, you use it after the Fuzz Face? I'd like to try it and make sure I have all the settings and tweaks dialed in.
Thanks!
Quote from: reflektors on April 22, 2017, 10:58:02 PM
no apologies necessary. I think I needed to prepare myself a little before posting. I'm sure there are plenty of posts here that are a lot more clear about what they want!!
I've also had two contacts within the past few months flake out on me so I'm flustered. But things happen for a reason...
the more I start to look at breadboards and forum threads about debugging, the more the scales tip towards me just doing this myself.
get used to seeing me 8)
I sure can vouch for that! Since i never had any formal training (I chose the humanistic branch at school) there's only gaps in my knowledge when it comes to electronics. But as an active and interested musician I always wanted to explore the WHY behind effects, amplifiers and such. I'm a bit older than you and I sure can relate to what you said about investing time. DIY electronics sure burn up your recreation intervals, can be very frustrating - but they reward the effort thousandfold when the stompbox lights up and actually works as intended :)
And the forum here (is there any
other forum? :) ) is pure genius. You will be helped (as I'm being)! Go breadboard something :)
> too old at 42? I don't think that's right.
He said "haven't hit my stride". I think he's at the in-between stage where he has some income and less time. If he was young and poor he'd hack it. When he's old and retired he'll hack it. At the moment his skill is his day-job. May be roofing or accounting or science or dentist-- whatever, in mid-career it makes sense for a roofer to trade a roof for a pedal, or use cash-money from other roof-jobs to proxy the deal when a roof isn't needed/practical with the pedal guy.
I was there once. Day-job went from poor to middling. I paid for floor-guys, paid for air-conditioning, even a roof. Now that my day-job is gone, I'm more willing to hammer nails and run pipes.
reflektors, is there any chance you might have a sound clip you can post so that we can hear the sound you are after with your current rig?
Quote from: PRR on April 23, 2017, 09:39:09 PM
> too old at 42? I don't think that's right.
He said "haven't hit my stride". I think he's at the in-between stage where he has some income and less time. If he was young and poor he'd hack it. When he's old and retired he'll hack it. At the moment his skill is his day-job. May be roofing or accounting or science or dentist-- whatever, in mid-career it makes sense for a roofer to trade a roof for a pedal, or use cash-money from other roof-jobs to proxy the deal when a roof isn't needed/practical with the pedal guy.
I was there once. Day-job went from poor to middling. I paid for floor-guys, paid for air-conditioning, even a roof. Now that my day-job is gone, I'm more willing to hammer nails and run pipes.
Ding ding ding ding ding you are the winner!!!
LOL you got it!!! I own a restaurant---so I wash dishes, wait tables, clean toilets and babysit my staff. I have a ventilation hood needs fixing and a grill that's about to need repair so I have to find someone to custom weld some iron for it. Today's my "day off" and I was going to spend it making a countertop for the front of the dining room but now I'm here waiting tables because someone called off. so yes more money than time.
I'll work on a demo video later today
I played through this setup again last night and realized it's very very touchy. Little tweaks on one pedal's knob will make big changes in the overall sound. I'll try and explain a little more in the video
thanks for your help, y'all
I just put a deposit down to have an engineer make this sucker
Some players put little sharpie marks on the dials for easy set up after it all goes haywire in a load out.
It might be worth having the engineer put all the dials external but flush with the enclosure, so as you can still adjust them all with your pick. Different venues may require small adjustments.
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Amazing the people that come on this forum - from all different backgrounds!!! So cool!
well, I've had alot of support on the boards and in personal messages, but I got a bite from one of the many pedal mfrs I contacted. Once I get my prototype done, I'll be curious to know what you guys think of the layout!!! should be a few months