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DIY Stompboxes => Building your own stompbox => Topic started by: FUZZZZzzzz on May 06, 2017, 04:40:05 PM

Title: Spring Reverb Tanks for smaller stomp boxes
Post by: FUZZZZzzzz on May 06, 2017, 04:40:05 PM
So, I thought about building some sort of spring reverb guitar pedal and found many layouts. The only downside is that reverb tanks are quite big. However, since the invention of the 500 and Eurorack format there has been a development, I wasn't aware of. Accutronics has a really small reverb tank that only costs about 15 dollars. Pretty cool n'est ce pas? Just thought I'd share. Its the blue thingie.

https://intellijel.com/eurorack-modules/springray/tanks-top-web/

(https://intellijel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/tanks-top-web.jpg)

Title: Re: Spring Reverb Tanks for smaller stomp boxes
Post by: Kipper4 on May 06, 2017, 04:56:14 PM
I saw those a while back.
Let us know how you get on fuzz.
Title: Re: Spring Reverb Tanks for smaller stomp boxes
Post by: FUZZZZzzzz on May 06, 2017, 05:02:50 PM
most stores seem out of stock with a couple of weeks on the waiting list, but would be cool to fit them in a smaller hammond box.
Title: Re: Spring Reverb Tanks for smaller stomp boxes
Post by: Kipper4 on May 06, 2017, 05:05:30 PM
A few more details here

https://cymrubeats.com/product/intellijel-accutronics-small-reverb-tank-for-springray/
Title: Re: Spring Reverb Tanks for smaller stomp boxes
Post by: FUZZZZzzzz on May 06, 2017, 05:09:50 PM
thanks! want to try something like this:
http://tagboardeffects.blogspot.nl/2012/12/cook-spring-reverb.html

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wV6M1ZTYvck/UVsbO2YPkeI/AAAAAAAACGw/9MjNgnnpGZI/s1600/GF-Cook-Spring-Reverb.png)
Title: Re: Spring Reverb Tanks for smaller stomp boxes
Post by: Ice-9 on May 06, 2017, 05:15:49 PM
These would fit nicely into a 1590XX. could be interesting.
Title: Re: Spring Reverb Tanks for smaller stomp boxes
Post by: EBK on May 06, 2017, 06:51:43 PM
Just remember that everytime you stomp on that pedal, you will be giving the springs a little shake.  If you haven't heard what a shaken spring reverb sounds like, you should try it. It's "interesting."
Title: Re: Spring Reverb Tanks for smaller stomp boxes
Post by: PRR on May 06, 2017, 07:50:59 PM
9 bux-
https://www.tubesandmore.com/products/reverb-tank-accutronics-amc-2bf2
https://www.tubesandmore.com/products/reverb-tank-accutronics-amc-2bf3

I don't think that is new. I think it is a very old design from cheap/tiny Japanese amps.

I think a spring tank should be isolated off-stage, not stomped.
Title: Re: Spring Reverb Tanks for smaller stomp boxes
Post by: GibsonGM on May 06, 2017, 08:14:52 PM
Altho....Highway Star...it could be an effect in and of itself!
Title: Re: Spring Reverb Tanks for smaller stomp boxes
Post by: FUZZZZzzzz on May 07, 2017, 04:38:20 AM
Oh the joy of spring thunder.. I've used this on many occasions.. was more thinking about using it in the studio as my amp has springs. I was at a gig a couple of years ago where the guitarist used the wooden stage to jump and make the occasional spring thunder. pretty cool for breaks and stuff.
Title: Re: Spring Reverb Tanks for smaller stomp boxes
Post by: FUZZZZzzzz on May 07, 2017, 04:41:14 AM
also.. pretty cool to me is the Ekdahl Moisturizer where they've taken the springs outside for playing and experimenting. But thats also more of a studio thing.

http://www.knasmusic.com/products/moisturizer/moisturizer.php

Title: Re: Spring Reverb Tanks for smaller stomp boxes
Post by: Mark Hammer on May 07, 2017, 08:47:46 AM
Quote from: PRR on May 06, 2017, 07:50:59 PM
9 bux-
https://www.tubesandmore.com/products/reverb-tank-accutronics-amc-2bf2
https://www.tubesandmore.com/products/reverb-tank-accutronics-amc-2bf3

I don't think that is new. I think it is a very old design from cheap/tiny Japanese amps.

I think a spring tank should be isolated off-stage, not stomped.
There is nothing that requires use of a stomp switch or, for that matter, a switch installed in the same box as the springs.  A remote e-switch would sidestep severe thunks, although there is still the challenge of isolating the pan from general stage vibrations.

All of that under control, I think folks should keep their expectations in check about the sound.  Reverb pans are fundamentally mechanical devices, whose properties depend on the physical parameters of the springs.  That's why the long pans are preferred over the shorter ones.
Title: Re: Spring Reverb Tanks for smaller stomp boxes
Post by: EBK on May 07, 2017, 10:05:23 AM
There's no way I could NOT share this:
http://hackaday.com/2012/11/28/100-meter-spring-reverb-makes-us-hear-satanic-voices/
:icon_twisted: :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Spring Reverb Tanks for smaller stomp boxes
Post by: amptramp on May 08, 2017, 11:36:14 AM
I always have a concern about the effect the sound level has on a spring reverb.  Some of us are old enough to remember when they were available on car radios and going over a bump would lead to a "spring" sound.  You may practice in your bedroom then when you get on stage, the effect of the amplifier sound output on the spring may make the sound totally different.  But have fun, it certainly doesn't look too expensive and if it proves useful then use it!
Title: Re: Spring Reverb Tanks for smaller stomp boxes
Post by: Mark Hammer on May 08, 2017, 01:14:43 PM
Once I retire in the fall, and have more time, I'll finally complete my DIY spring reverb, using springs from the hardware store, and do a photo-tutorial.  It's surprising what you can stick in a modest-sized box.
Title: Re: Spring Reverb Tanks for smaller stomp boxes
Post by: wavley on May 08, 2017, 02:27:20 PM
Quote from: PRR on May 06, 2017, 07:50:59 PM
I think a spring tank should be isolated off-stage, not stomped.

So does Dick Dale...

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/sg101.forum.photos/GohBEA2TRG6PHeyarFaJ8g.jpg)
Title: Re: Spring Reverb Tanks for smaller stomp boxes
Post by: wavley on May 08, 2017, 02:33:46 PM
I mainly play in my studio and use a Peavey Valverb that I did the common mods to and when I first put it in my rig everything was fine, it sounded great. 

Decided to move my stuff to the other side of the room, it hates the amps on that side of the room and vibrates sympathetically in a low frequency howl.  I like it better over there, so the Valverb came out of the rig and went into the recording rack and my trusty RV-3 went back on the board.
Title: Re: Spring Reverb Tanks for smaller stomp boxes
Post by: PRR on May 08, 2017, 04:38:03 PM
> So does Dick Dale...

Somewhere is a story about Neil Young's tech drilling a hole in a stage floor so the reverb could sit on concrete.

http://thrasherswheat.org/ptma/equip.htm
"NY: ...an old white Fender reverb unit with new springs that are separate. The springs are on a microphone stand that goes on the cement floor of the building. It extends up to the bottom of the stage, and the spring stands on top of the microphone stand and the wire comes through a hole in the stage completely separate. I can't use it if I don't do that, because if I jump onstage, the spring rattles. It has to be isolated from the surface of anything that's vibrating.
JO: What if you can't drill a hole in the stage?
NY: No, we do it. We just put a hole in the stage. There's always a way. It can't be very far away, because with a long wire, you lose the fidelity, the high end where the reverb lives, so the magic is gone. You've got to keep it close and really short."


Dick's rope is an interesting isolation technique.
Title: Re: Spring Reverb Tanks for smaller stomp boxes
Post by: Kipper4 on May 08, 2017, 04:52:16 PM
Totally bonkers.
Title: Re: Spring Reverb Tanks for smaller stomp boxes
Post by: Mark Hammer on May 08, 2017, 04:58:07 PM
When I started grad school, 40 years ago, one of the profs in our department researched the retina.  Unfortunately, about 2/3 of the department was in a 1-storey wooden facility much like army barracks, such that every time someone clomped down the hallway, his microtome ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microtome ) would shake, and the resulting sections were more appropriate for ripple chips than microscopic inspection.  His solution was to sink a concrete pedestal through the floor into the ground.  Sometimes ya gotta.