piss on it. i dont' need this stres
Isn't that one still in print? I don't think you should post it. If it's out of print, I would email Craig and ask first. He isn't a member of the forum (that I know of), but he's still "one of us".
Are we going to start this all over again? :(
Anderton is an acquaintance of a friend. He provided a little input on the first pieces of my musical (DIY algorithm) DSP work back in 1995.
When somebody helps the DIY crowd as much as he has AND is still publishing his wares AND is very easily findable (unlike the mysterious Boscorelli), you publishing HIS work really ruffles my feathers in a very bad way. :x :x :x
His site:
http://www.craiganderton.com
EPFM and kits:
http://www.paia.com/epfm.htm
His Forum:
http://www.musicplayer.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=1;hardset=;start_point=;DaysPrune=
If you post it to the web, I am going to be quite pissed. I don't want to see this place used as a vehicle to disrespect him.
Don't stab a brother in the back Ansil.
-Peter
Quote from: Peter SnowbergAre we going to start this all over again? :(
Anderton is an aquantance of a friend. He provided a little input on the first pieces of my muscial (DIY algorithm) DSP work back in 1995.
When somebody helps the DIY crowd as much as he has AND is still publishing his wares AND is very easily findable (unlike the mysterious Boscorelli), you publishing HIS work really ruffles my feathers in a very bad way. :x :x :x
His site:
http://www.craiganderton.com
EPFM and kits:
http://www.paia.com/epfm.htm
His Forum:
http://www.musicplayer.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=1;hardset=;start_point=;DaysPrune=
If you post it to the web, I am going to be quite pissed. I don't want to see this place used as a vehicle to disrespect him.
-Peter
first of all then don't have a dman hissy fit. when i tried to buy his book online it was out of print thats the reason i dug it out of its sealed plastic bag to scan it. i have never read any of the craig anderton threads that i can rememeber. nor did he respond to the email that i leftasking this. and it would be a far greater way to reach me in private as i didnt' know it. or couldnt' remember it. remember people HEAD TRAUMA.!!!!!!!!!!!!!! look it up if you dont' posess the brain power to understand what it means....i am still uploading them for my personal use as i dont have a printer.. isn't that funny i dont' have a printer here but i have a scanner. hmm seems like it is ass backwards. it is amaazing to me we can post about getting pissed but not take the time to email the person we are pissed about..
thank you peter for falling into the thread of hypocrisy
oh and don't say things like stabing someone in the back until you at least try to research the reason in question. also dont' ever talk to me again.
:shock: :?
If you post on a bulletin board frequented by stompbox makers and offer to give away years' worth of work by a fellow stompbox maker, what do you expect? :)
Then again, I just had my first full-length book published (http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/merchandise.php - "Mad Drew: Beyond Coffeedome") so I may be biased...
drew
www.toothpastefordinner.com
we upload stuff all the time drew.. and tehn again i dont' need another judas. i already have one and he has served his price well
Quotethank you peter for falling into the thread of hypocrisy
There's no hypocrisy at all in what I posted. Try looking up what I had to say about publishing Boscorelli's work.
As of yesterday, PAiA is still shipping it. Amazon has 8 copies of EPFM right now. It's still around in all kinds of shops. Limited production books go in and out of print all the time. You simply don't know if it's about to be released yet again (how many printings has it had so far?). As dated as the circuits are, the book still sells out and Anderton still consults for CMP and is still very active in the music community. His most recent posts were TODAY.
Scan it for your own use by all means, but when you post it on the web and announce it here, you cross the line pure and simple. Him not answering an e-mail from you doesn't give you rights to pilfer his work.
I've had my engineering ripped off and I've had my art ripped off. It's a serious bummer. Yes I feel very strongly about this, for lots of reasons. He gave me advice freely. I feel he deserves respect. And yes.... when you publish a work like that you are indeed stabbing the author in the back.
-Peter
Aw, cheer up ansil! Or get a livejournal! I try to stay out of overwrought drama, unless I have a chance to plug my book ;)
drew
www.toothpastefordinner.com
...on an unrelated topic...
Congratulations on your new book Drew! 8) That's very cool!
Take care,
-Peter
i meet craig about 5 yr's ago. he really loved my device and took a picture of it for a rag or web page thang he was doing[ and still may be doing ]
hell , when i told him i really dug his first book , he acted like it was such a thang of the past , who cares type thing . huh, well the rest of the conversation was all about what the F was making my device so cool and different then the other pedalmakers. he's cool !
i've bought his book twice and i'd love to have a pdf of the book :wink:
fight as you will, but i've paid my money.
it's not worth fight'n over , that's for sure.
peace,
- tom
I think it would be a great idea if you did that, Ansil.
Electronics Projects for Musicians (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0825695023/ref=nosim/digitalmusiczone) was just reissued a couple of months ago by Guitar Player Books.... Craig was the original editor of Electronic Musician magazine and bought numerous articles from me back then... the publication has gone seriously downhill since he left it, IMHO.
regards, Jack
Seriously, Jack, I think it would be great if Ansil did whatever he wants to do here.
R.G. I'm kind of surprised. :? Care to say why you feel this way about this publication?
Jason
i am grateful RG.
but i found someone who had them rough scanned. i went over to my buds house last night and printed off the ones i wanted and put them in a three ring binder. so i am not worrying about it anymore. thanks though
Quote from: R.G.Seriously, Jack, I think it would be great if Ansil did whatever he wants to do here.
I see nothing in my post that is offering Ansil any advice at all on what to do, merely an observation that the book was recently reissued, and some thoughts about Craig as editor of EM.
But now that you mention it, Craig is an acquaintance of mine and I would be saddened if he were ripped off, much in the same way I would feel if your "PCB Layout for Musical Effects" were scanned and posted. Seriously.
regards, Jack
Ok I am shooting myslef in the foot here but Jack didn't you and RG reverse that Lovetone box?
Wasn't that ripping the guy off?
Now I know that by pointing this out I may never get help again from either RG or Jack or Peter or anyone else but I have to say it cause it just isn't right that you all should jump this guys ass so much and then not own up.
So would someone care to explain why it is good for the goose but not the gander?
If there is no reply that makes a lick of sense than I will have really lost a great amount of respect for you guys.
I will always respect your prowess but I really need to hear bnoth your sides of the story.
I have no idea what RG take is on these things. If he was to say "hey I don't give a flip" then that would be cool with me because I don't know what his take is on it. From what I can tell he is either thinks it is no big deal or perhaps he would just like to see someone get sued...I don't know.
But if he was to say he thinks it would be ripping off Anderton more than the Lovetone guy is getting ripped then I say shame shame shame!
Ok I guess I will hide out and make a new ID cause I know I am not welcome anymore......sucks but I can't let this go without speaking my mind.
This should get interesting, or locked or not replied to.....I guess we'll see.
Quotebut Jack didn't you and RG reverse that Lovetone box?
After they went out of production... I've reversed lots of boxes but don't post any of them while the company is still doing business.
Also, there are two separate issues involved; copyrights and cloning of circuits:
http://www.muzique.com/copyright.htm
http://www.muzique.com/clones.htm
best regards, Jack
Ok well I guess that explains it. :roll:
...and I doubt if anyone is peeved at Ansil either. He only meant well, and it's up to him if he posts or not.
-JACK
"No good deed goes unpunished." -Grandpappy
Internet ethics makes me squeeeeemish.
-Colin
Well I must admit I jumped the gun pretty quick.
Sorry about that Jack. I am glad what I thought was happening wasn't.
I guess I may not have shot my foot as much as I am sucking on it right now....gulp!
:oops:
Thanks for clearing my head of some junk that was bothering me.
I am glad I posted instead of continuing to think something was awry.
I'll go hide under a rock for a couple days just the same :wink:
Back to building :D
Quote from: amz-fxQuotebut Jack didn't you and RG reverse that Lovetone box?
After they went out of production... I've reversed lots of boxes but don't post any of them while the company is still doing business.
Also, there are two separate issues involved; copyrights and cloning of circuits:
http://www.muzique.com/copyright.htm
http://www.muzique.com/clones.htm
best regards, Jack
That sums up my feelings too.
When an inventor or an author is still making a living off of their work, that should be respected. As the music magazine arena (and the world in general) has become less and less DIY oriented and more commercial, the fact that Craig Anderton still has his DIY work in publication is something that I am very glad about. Once he goes to play "the great gig in the sky" and his works are in danger of being lost forever, that's the proper time to make them available, but not before.
If C.A. wanted them in the public domain, I'm sure he would just post them on his web site or link to them from his forum.
The fact that Ansil didn't get one e-mail reply, ignored the easily researchable fact that the book is available everywhere as a currently published work while saying that it wasn't, and used this as justification for ripping him off was not right.
-Peter
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The fact that Ansil didn't get one e-mail reply, ignored the easily researchable fact that the book is available everywhere as a currently published work while saying that it wasn't, and used this as justification for ripping him off was not right.
-Peter[/quote
k like i said before. peter be a man speak to person directly. also i didn't post so i dont' understand what the issue is anymore.
The book's still in print. So I'd be peeved if it would come online...
I got a hiss-reducer schem emailed to me by one of the guys on the forum because I asked an he had the book. I don't have EPFM because
A) I can't find it anywhere, and
B) I don't have the cash to buy a $30,- book.
I think the "if you got a good reason I'll mail you the schem you need" attitude works best. Try placing yourself in Anderton's position. You wrote a book everyone enjoys. Then some guy posts it on the web and poof, byebye income. If he wanted the book online he'd post it himself, as said before by Peter.
:? God this whole ethics stuff is confusing me...
it's not like he's dead or something.
http://www.musicplayer.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi
Have I ever said Anderton was dead?
Or am I misinterpreting your comment?
have i ever said that you said he was dead?
Now I'm confused :?
Let's assume that Craig Anderton hasn't been run over by a truck in my absence and is still alive... :P
If I understood the first post in this thread correctly, the intent is to scan the FIRST edition of EPFM. Do not confuse this with the second edition or the third book of DIY projects from Craig.
The first edition is okay, but the difference in quality of design, performance features, useful information, and availability of parts between the first and second editions is substantial. Those who haven't seen it will end up a little disappointed. Quite frankly, Tonepad and Generalguitargadgets provide far more useful information these days.
Craig's been nice to me too. I have a letter from him that is a prized possession. Having said that, I strongly doubt whether residuals from the first edition constitute a big chunk of his current income. The second edition and DIY books, maybe, but not the first edition. I may be wrong, but Craig seems to do just fine with the digital world and has written lots of documentation for big name/ticket companies in addition to his columns and consulting work.
one can only hope :)
How can I tell which edition of this book I have. Its got the EPfM title, but I can't find any edition notation. Only copyright dates are '75 and '80.
I am pretty sure it's one of the latest though, because it came with a CD of sample sounds. Weird that there is no 90's date. Well, I guess they could've added the CD's or something, who knows...
Just curious, thanks, Matt.
The one with the CD is the revamped second edition. Where the first one had line drawings of stuff, this one has photos. This one also has the noise gate and phaser projects which quickly distinguish it (both editions have a preamp, miniamp, ring modulator, fuzz, compressor, footsweepable filter, etc). This one IS still available from suppliers, so posting it is probably at least impolite and likely to be frowned upon by publisher and author.
Nothing says that if someone posts a query asking if anyone knows anything about project XX from the book that you can't scan a couple of pages and e-mail them, though. I can't see anything different between that and photocopying pages from the public library copy.
Yup. The whole problem being that the library here is being refurbished (doh) and I can't go and see if the library's got a copy. :x I want to see if I can get the book from the library and otherwise a mail-order EPfM would be a nice X-mas present :)