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Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: Bill_F on January 07, 2004, 06:45:58 PM
This stuff rocks!

(http://britboy.mysitespace.com/Graphics/MXR_env_filter.jpg)
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: troubledtom on January 07, 2004, 06:48:39 PM
nice @#$%ing job bro, cooooooooooooooool !!!!!! :D
            - tom
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: Hairston on January 07, 2004, 06:50:55 PM
Geesh, OUTSTANDING! I don't know what to say?!

-HB
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: ExpAnonColin on January 07, 2004, 07:05:18 PM
:shock: Awsome!

-Colin
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: Jim Jones on January 07, 2004, 07:09:41 PM
That looks fantastic, Bill!  I gotta try that stuff out...

Jim
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: moosapotamus on January 07, 2004, 07:28:01 PM
Bill, dudeman... whoa! That is righteous lookin'! Now you rock, too! 8)

What software are you using to do the graphics?

~ Charlie
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: Bill_F on January 07, 2004, 07:35:58 PM
Quote from: moosapotamusBill, dudeman... whoa! That is righteous lookin'! Now you rock, too! 8)

What software are you using to do the graphics?

~ Charlie

Thanks everyone for the encouraging words.

Charlie. Your the one who discovered this stuff for stomp boxes, so thanks have to go to you. I used Photoshop for the graphics.
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: bobbletrox on January 07, 2004, 07:39:53 PM
That looks amazing!  Great job.
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: Marcos - Munky on January 07, 2004, 08:42:33 PM
COOOOOOOLLLLLL!!!!!!! :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: Davefx on January 07, 2004, 08:42:44 PM
Awesome Bill!!!  Now what is this "Dark T-shirt" stuff!!????
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: travissk on January 07, 2004, 09:05:59 PM
Wow, looks incredible. I'll have to try this on future pedals  :D
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: Luke on January 07, 2004, 10:23:24 PM
amazing  :D
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: Craig V on January 07, 2004, 11:01:18 PM
That looks AWESOME.  Very professional indeed.

Is there a way to do the sides?
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: Paul Marossy on January 08, 2004, 12:53:29 AM
Very nice.  :shock:
Now I'm really wanting to give it a try.
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: Peter Snowberg on January 08, 2004, 01:36:39 AM
:shock:  That's slicker than gorilla snot on a glass door knob. ;)

I was going to say something more conventional, but my first and second choices were already posted.

My question is now, how stompable is the result?

Fantastic job! 8) 8) 8)

-Peter
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: Leftrights on January 08, 2004, 02:14:33 AM
I think I'm a little bit behind... Where do you get that stuff?  How does it work?
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: Bill_F on January 08, 2004, 03:12:31 AM
Quote from: DavefxAwesome Bill!!!  Now what is this "Dark T-shirt" stuff!!????

It's a product made by Avery for transferring artwork onto dark material. You iron it on.
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: Bill_F on January 08, 2004, 03:19:45 AM
Quote from: LeftrightsI think I'm a little bit behind... Where do you get that stuff?  How does it work?

I found it at PC World.

QuoteHow does it work?

Here is a link that might help you.

http://diystompboxes.com/sboxforum/viewtopic.php?p=96597&highlight=#96597

Bill
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: bwanasonic on January 08, 2004, 03:37:01 AM
What exactly was the procedure used? It looks like the graphics are on a seperate *laminate*, rather than directly on the hammond box? I echo the question of durability also.  Very nice looking though! I have four unpainted effects that might finally be receiving a proper finish.

Kerry M
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: Bill_F on January 08, 2004, 04:02:50 AM
Quote from: bwanasonicWhat exactly was the procedure used?
Kerry M

See link two posts above.

QuoteIt looks like the graphics are on a seperate *laminate*, rather than directly on the hammond box?

The graphics are ironed directly onto the box. Then I put epoxy over it. I saw this in an article by Steve Daniels (see link below). After the epoxy dried for 24 hours I wet sanded it with 1500 grit sandpaper to smooth it out. This made it cloudy though. To get rid of that I used rubbing compound. Then finally used a wax made for cars to make it all nice and shiny.

http://www.smallbearelec.com/Projects/TweakO/TweakO.htm

QuoteI echo the question of durability also.
Yeah, I'm wondering about the same thing. Only time will tell.
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: JN on January 08, 2004, 06:30:09 AM
Epoxy should make a durable finish-- more so than lacquer.  

Beautiful work!
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: Chris R on January 08, 2004, 08:37:07 AM
very cool!!!

is the red from the transfer too ?

C
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: Bill_F on January 08, 2004, 08:41:16 AM
Quote from: Chris Rvery cool!!!

is the red from the transfer too ?

C

Everything you see is from the transfer. Its great stuff!

Bill
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: Peter Snowberg on January 08, 2004, 09:19:15 AM
Does that mean the color is all ink-jet ink? I would really worry about color-fastness if so. Archive quality pigments exist, but archive quality dyes (inks) are only available in black that I know of.

It still looks top notch! 8)

You might want to print up a color circle and leave it in the sun to see how long the color does last.

take care,
-Peter
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: gez on January 08, 2004, 12:04:36 PM
Quote from: Peter SnowbergDoes that mean the color is all ink-jet ink? I would really worry about color-fastness if so. Archive quality pigments exist, but archive quality dyes (inks) are only available in black that I know of.

It still looks top notch! 8)

You might want to print up a color circle and leave it in the sun to see how long the color does last.

take care,
-Peter

I'm a bit hazy on the details (been a while since I worked with resin), but many epoxy coatings have UV protection in order to prevent the epoxy from 'chalking', so I wouldn't worry about it Bill...

edit: PS top notch job Bill!
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: Bill_F on January 08, 2004, 12:26:28 PM
Quote from: Peter SnowbergDoes that mean the color is all ink-jet ink? I would really worry about color-fastness if so. Archive quality pigments exist, but archive quality dyes (inks) are only available in black that I know of.

take care,
-Peter

Yeah its all inkjet. Hopefully the epoxy does have some UV protection in it like Gez says. Is that something specific I should be looking for, or does all epoxy have that? Every step of the way only brings up more questions.  The adventure continues. :D
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: Mark Hammer on January 08, 2004, 12:31:51 PM
What's most impressive is the richness/saturation of the colours.

Just one thing, though.  Where does the white come from?  I know you can mix colours of light to get white, but when you use pigments it is subtractive mixtures, rather than additive, so the white can't come from the printer itself.

How'd you do that?
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: gez on January 08, 2004, 12:32:50 PM
Quote from: Bill_FHopefully the epoxy does have some UV protection in it like Gez says. Is that something specific I should be looking for, or does all epoxy have that?

Some of the thick epoxy resins that are used for laminating don't have UV protection and need a coat of paint once cured, but if the stuff you've used is manufactured as a coating I'd be suprised if it didn't have UV protection (might say on the tin?).
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: Chris R on January 08, 2004, 12:54:28 PM
Quote from: Mark Hammer
Just one thing, though.  Where does the white come from?  I know you can mix colours of light to get white, but when you use pigments it is subtractive mixtures, rather than additive, so the white can't come from the printer itself.

I bet since it's the Dark T-Shirt Transfer... the base is White rather than clear.  I can't find any details on the paper though.. anyone confirm ?

C
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: Joep on January 08, 2004, 01:38:31 PM
It looks like it is this stuff:
http://www.avery.com/products/add_to_cart.jsp?upc=7278203279&catalog_code=WEB01&slted=Dark+T-Shirt+Transfers&pname=Printable%2BCrafts&purl=select_category.jsp%3Fcat_code%3D10174109%26catalog_code%3DWEB01

Nice job Bill!

Joep
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: Mike Nichting on January 08, 2004, 02:20:28 PM
Yeah Mark, the T-shirt transfer is white and you design the layout in Paint or whatever program you choose. Set the background color and add the names of the dials etc. You can choose a black background and do white lettering.
I left this message for you in an earlier post but I'm not sure if you read it Mark. I knew you were after white lettering.

Now you guys know what the fuss is about wghen we talk about the T-shirt transfer~!!
This stuff is expensive but you can get about 3-4 BB sized boxes out of one sheet. I would post pics of my pedals but I can't for some reason. even on my Yahoo account. I have an all black pedal with white lettering that looks sweet.

The above pic that started this post is very,very nice and the sky is the limit to what you can do with these transfers.

Good l;uck everyone.

mike N.
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: travissk on January 08, 2004, 02:21:44 PM
I ran some searches the first time I saw this thread (for pricing), and it does look like the base color is white.
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: Bill_F on January 08, 2004, 05:37:29 PM
Quote from: Mark HammerWhat's most impressive is the richness/saturation of the colours.

Just one thing, though.  Where does the white come from?  I know you can mix colours of light to get white, but when you use pigments it is subtractive mixtures, rather than additive, so the white can't come from the printer itself.

How'd you do that?

Mark,

Like Mike said on the other post, the white does come from the transfer. The colors are printed on top of a white base, therefore you can't get clear, everywhere there is no ink would be white.

Its an Avery product. and is called "Dark T-Shirt Transfer". The product number here in the UK is C9406-4. It is pretty expensive. The pack I got only had 4 sheets in it and I think it was almost 9 pounds (with the current exchange rate thats about $16.00 U.S.). It's probably much cheaper EVERYWHERE else! :( But it is easy to use and gets nice results, so I think it is worth it. Plus you can probably do 2 or 3 pedals with one sheet if you only do the top.

If you try it, follow Charlies advice and don't over do it. It is easy to iron to long and it will smear. That happened to me the first time, and its kind of a pain to get off. I used the same temperature setting I use for Press-N-Peel, ironing for about 2 minutes with light pressure and kept the iron moving. It's pretty easy. Real easy compared to P-N-P.

The only thing I wasn't that happy with was the epoxy I used. It was hard to put on smoothly. I think I might try another brand next time. Does anybody have any suggestions?

Oh and one other thing. I believe you spoke about using a color laser printer from work. I'm not sure if that will work, this is an Inkjet product. I wonder what the heat produced by the laser when it fuses the ink onto the page would do to that white base. You might end up with a real mess and a big repair bill. I'm only guessing at this and could be completely wrong but the thought scares me a bit.

Anyway hope this helps. It would be nice to help you for a change, you've helped me so much in the past.

Bill

P.S. I have an EZ Vibe thats ready to be boxed in the next week or so. I'll post a picture when it's done.
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: dan on January 08, 2004, 06:14:02 PM
man that is awsome. i'm ganna have to try it sometime.

peace.
Title: What about instead of Ironing?
Post by: petemoore on January 09, 2004, 12:24:23 PM
Heat the box itself on a burner or in the oven and then apply the transfer?
 Having never done it and only reading many posts on the finishing xubjects, it just seems like it would be easy to get the box evenly and precisely heated using an oven at a preset heat...I suppose you'd have to get a perfect lineup of the transfer on the first shot that way...I'm sure a way could be devised to align transfers consistantly...?
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: Hairston on January 10, 2004, 10:45:29 AM
Wow, I'll say it again, OUTSTANDING my friend!

I read the article that Steve Daniels wrote on the TweakO (good stuff!) and have always wanted to try the brush on epoxy stuff. I have always used a spray lacquer finish and then just buffed it. Can you tell us what kind of brush on epoxy (brand?) you suggest with this type of transfer?

Thanks!

-HB
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: Bill_F on January 10, 2004, 05:10:32 PM
Quote from: HairstonWow, I'll say it again, OUTSTANDING my friend!

I read the article that Steve Daniels wrote on the TweakO (good stuff!) and have always wanted to try the brush on epoxy stuff. I have always used a spray lacquer finish and then just buffed it. Can you tell us what kind of brush on epoxy (brand?) you suggest with this type of transfer?

Thanks!

-HB

Thanks Hairston for the kind words. The epoxy I have is by a company called Ripmax. I'm not that happy with it though, it is very hard to get on smooth. Though, maybe that's the way all epoxy is. I've never worked with the stuff until now.
I got it in a hobby shop. I think they use it to coat the skins of the model airplanes they fly.
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: MRTelec on January 10, 2004, 06:28:06 PM
Has anyone tried using heat resistant spray paint with the iron-on transfers?
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: Dan N on January 10, 2004, 07:01:28 PM
Quote from: MRTelecHas anyone tried using heat resistant spray paint with the iron-on transfers?

Not I.

Must confess trying once to bake on a clear coat. Ugh. The white parts of the transfer yellowed. Looks antique!

Another time (Christmas eve!) I had to dry a clear coat fast, so kept turning my toaster oven on and off just to keep things warm without getting too hot. It seemed to be working, then I looked at the box and the transfer had weirded out into a texture like dimples on a golf ball. Kind of great in a desperate way. Still have not heard if my 13 year old neice liked the a.m. radio. Oops, I mean silicon fuzz face...
Title: First pedal using dark T-shirt transfer *PIC*
Post by: MRTelec on January 10, 2004, 07:54:42 PM
How does this stuff compare to Papillo?