hello everyone,
Where I can find a schematic for the fuzz box that jimmy page uses?
thanks
I think he used a Tonebender MKII in the first Led Zeppelin album. Chack Runoffgroove.com.
Hi ,
For the Pagey sound? First album Tonebender MKII for sure,it's the two knob model ,but i've seen on the DVD that he used near this time the 3 knobs model.I think that all this models are used after a VOX wha-Wha and are surely modified by John Mayer More rescent sounds can be achieved with a MXR Dito plus.
I've got two links for Tonebender MKII and MKIII and one for the MXR
Here's they are:
Disto Plus: http://www.tonepad.com/project.asp?id=2
Tonebender MKII : http://fuzzcentral.tripod.com/
Tonebender MKII , MKIII and disto + : http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/v2/index.php?option=displaypage&Itemid=99&op=page&SubMenu=
I hope this help you
Bruno
Hey Bruno,
I agree a hundred percent on the MXR! I don't believe Page ever used the Distortion +, but with a LP and and small tube amp it definitely gets me in the zone of his early 70's tone. Using the Ge diodes is the key - it sounds 70's "chunky" with a hint o' fuzz. Si diodes make it sound too harsh IMO. Upping the output cap to 10uF and using a 50K volume pot brings the level up, too.
Jim
Quote from: Jim JonesHey Bruno,
I agree a hundred percent on the MXR! I don't believe Page ever used the Distortion +, but with a LP and and small tube amp it definitely gets me in the zone of his early 70's tone. Using the Ge diodes is the key - it sounds 70's "chunky" with a hint o' fuzz. Si diodes make it sound too harsh IMO. Upping the output cap to 10uF and using a 50K volume pot brings the level up, too.
Jim
He used an MXR Distortion+ live back in '77 when I saw him.
That was in the "Presence" timeframe.
Doug
Hey Doug,
Cool - thanks for the info! Man, I would kill to have seen them live.
Jim
thanks alot u guys. I didn't expect to get replies soooo fast! :D
Hello Hello--
I've found that to really get the earlier Page sound [Yardbirds and early Gimp Blimp.......er, I mean Led Zep..] it's best to match the TB MK II with a Fender Telecaster guitar.......it's perfect!
Brian.
well, that's the only guitar I got 8)
Hi,
Thank Doug for the info that confirms my ears !! I used to use the disto +
since ten years now with my LP and my modifified Marshall it's rock like Page on the last records,but i was always looking for his early records and i began to clone Tonebender ,three but all of the three are sounding differents, since a friend of mine one day phones found an MKIII for ONLY 12$ in a second hand shop !!!!!!!Incredible !!!I was sick!!Impossible but true ! Then one day he call me again and asked to me if i could repair it he was disgusted no sound at all :cry:
I put in at home and suddenly i understood what's happenned: he had reversed the in out jack when he'd plugged his guitar!!!!! Old but reversed input !Then i had a look in it ,take some shoot of the PCB and i plugged my LP in my Vox Wha then in the right input of the bender ,warm up the marshall Whaooooo,creammy,fuzzy, the best pedal i've ever heard ,touch sensitive and an overall very good balanced tone,i changed the amp'old Garen with 6l6 ,reverb ,tremolo and old 15w speakers a tube echolplex an then i began to play the first album, i was KO by the similar sound i could have all that i had to do is to play ,very good time !!
Now i'm very sad because i return the MKIII to my friend and i am searching the old magic germs ,i'm sure now they are the secret of this fuzz box!
Bruno
Maybe the germanium aren't the secret of the Tonebender. Take a look at //www.runoffgroove.com/tbmk2sounds.html. You will find soundclips for a all Si Tonebender.
Is the "Boutique Bender 3 Knob" the same as a Fulltone Soulbender? Whats difference between this and a normal 3 knob version?
You guys are neglecting to mention the old treble booster into a small amp trick, which he used a LOT of the time, I mean, you can HEAR it. Like on Heartbreaker. I can nail that beginning tone with a Rangemaster clone and my mid 60's Supro 'Super'. FUN. Add a plate reverb to the same tone and you've got that big lead breakdown. Sweet.
Regards
RDV
Hi Bruno,
Did you ever draw out the MkIII circuit?
Jim
Hi,
Not yet but i'm planning how to redraw it easily with a photo.Maybe should i took a scan of the board,like that the dimensions are OK
I'm looking for posting a photo in this forum ,it seems to be complicated
Bruno
I'm sure that he used the three knob version on stage ,but who can say what he used in studio? Jimmy Page was a session man in the beginning and it's possible the use of a booster but at each time i've seen a stage pshoot he used a tonebender.The treble booster is good and there's a germ(OC44)in the Dallas rangemaster,it's seems like a fuzz but i've read everywhere that Page used a TB on his first LZ record.
Bruno
hi,
Sorry but i read with a little late some answer.
Sorry too but the clip at Runn groove doesn't change my idea about Germs,it's not the sound of JP ,i said on others posts that i 've had got during one week a 3 knobs version at home .It's a complete different sound that i can ear on Rungrooff site ,(i respect him ...)
This model have three big hat germs,it's impossible to find these models
I build two benders , a MKII and a MK III ,i try to clone the sound of the orinal;Impossible !! I try with severals OC 44 ,AC 128 with no good results ,the sound was in your face(like Silicon reissue or Rungrooff clip)sound,agressive non musical even i put the real gain values on the three trans.I had take the Vcc on the original ,tweak them on my clone ,always a fuzz but not the best sounding Tonebender.Maybe the TB;
no the good harmonics and tone .
I never try with silicon device because i'm sure that silicon version came after 70,
Bruno
Quote from: suspendedhello everyone,
Where I can find a schematic for the fuzz box that jimmy page uses?
thanks
theres alot of stuff goin on about his tone.. but check out this. clip from runoffgroove.com
http://runoffgroove.com/clippah3.mp3
Quote from: AnsilQuote from: suspendedhello everyone,
Where I can find a schematic for the fuzz box that jimmy page uses?
thanks
theres alot of stuff goin on about his tone.. but check out this. clip from runoffgroove.com
http://runoffgroove.com/clippah3.mp3
Along the same lines:
http://home.earthlink.net/~dennisf3/sound/bring2b.mp3
From here:
http://home.earthlink.net/~dennisf3/ff.htm
(Heh-heh...) :D
Doug
nice.. hey doug man you should really consider doing some pcb boards for this. you could make some cash dude. i know a bunch of peeps who would love to have this like a TONEPAD type project. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm??
Hello Hello--
O.K., anything in 1966 or before would be a 2-tranny Vox Tonebender MK I [ with and without mods], mainly because there was no such thing as a Fuzz Face before then. The MK I has a 2-tranny circuit and 2 knobs.
From '67 on Page used the Tonebender MK II with 3 trannys and 2 knobs for all the Yardbirds and all early live Zep stuff [1st album.....maybe 2nd album too, I don't have a copy of that one......can't remember..]
The TB MK II was what he used for all the live shows that I was at and all the video stuff that I have. [By the way, on Zeps' first American tour they were using solid-state Rickenbacher Transonic amps!]
Also, this was the period that Page played his Telecaster exclusively.
Brian.
Hi ,
Have a look at the last Led Zep DVD ,there's a video where you can see a three knobs tonebender and the sound is famous ,it is call 'Tous en scene and is placed in the extras.The sound is not very different from the record (for a stage sound i mean)He used it on stage!
Bruno
Hey guys,
Here's the pics Bruno sent me of the Tonebender he popped open.
Thanks!
Jim
http://members.shaw.ca/house-of-jim/Images/Tonebender/
Hi,
that's Ok ! Thanks a lot Jim
If these shoots could help somebody it's cool,it's a pity because i didn't have recorded the sound !
I'm going to redraw the PCB with a pen or on the PC ,i don't know
I'll sent to you it when it will be finished
Regards
Bruno
whoa! i like that firefly! I wanna build! how/where?!
Is only less than half of it IMO.
The face that we revere and use as a standard of guitar tone the Page stuff, brings to light once again the studio master wizardry he achieved.
Getting a recording of guitar that we're trying to emulate with [say Marshalls] imitating a vynil album using some kind of stereo amp and speakers...pretty dang amazing.
I've heard 'redos' and Pagey sounding guitars [Whitesnake] ahemm that nail fairly closely the guitars tone but nothing EVER beat the Page studio stuff for guitar recording mastery [IMOHO].
Actually I find a Dist+ quite 'forgiving' and has a 'generic' Fuzz and boost type sound that I find lends itself well to getting cool tones from my amp controllably.
Hello Gearbuilder--
The three-knob Colorsound Tonebender came out in late 1971-'72. The "classic" Led Zep period I'm talking about is the "Telecaster years" before Page and Plant started spinning all the drug-induced Hobbit yarns.
If you want to get close to the sound Page gets on that particular song on the DVD, get a Yardbox pedal [and be prepared to mod it!] or build the "Tonebender MK III" circuit at the Fuzz Central site [That's the one in Jim's photo..] Oh, by the way, better find some real good germ trannys for that one , too!
Brian.
Quote from: MAXIMUSwhoa! i like that firefly! I wanna build! how/where?!
I would recommend building one 100% :D.
Just click on the schematics link at the top of the page, scroll down to Doug Hammond, and head to his site.
Maybe one of these days Aron will add a FireFly link directly on the schematics page. ;)
Happy building, you're going to LOVE it in all likelyhood. 12AU7s make for some screaming little amps.
My circuit is similar and after taste testing several makes, I really liked the Shuguang 12AU7s with Ei and Tesla (now JJ) 12AX7s. A couple of the Sovteks were nice too for what they did, but they didn't sound as "thick" or "clear".
Take care,
-Peter
Quote from: Peter SnowbergMy circuit is similar and after taste testing several makes, I really liked the Shuguang 12AU7s with Ei and Tesla (now JJ) 12AX7s. A couple of the Sovteks were nice too for what they did, but they didn't sound as "thick" or "clear".
Take care,
-Peter
I didn't realize you built one, Peter. Thanks for the comments. :D Do you have any photos or sound clips?
It occured to me yesterday that I should probably add links on my site to folks who have built this. I'm going to move out on that...
Doug
The fuzz boxes I made for JP were loosely based on the circuit
configuration of the Gibson Fuzzes but used different transistors,
different operating voltage, resistor and capacitors. So there is always
some truth in rumours. The good news is that I will later this year be
offering a new version of this classic design of mine using selected new
old stock germanium transistors.
--
Kindest regards,
Roger Mayer
www.roger-mayer.co.uk
:D :D
Hello Hello--
Yeah, modded Maestro Fuzzes for 9-volt operation. [Originals being 1v-3v]
Some of Pages' earlier studio sessions have the Maestro on 'em .......then the Tonebender came along.
Hey, anybody want to make a 9-volt Maestro?? I was thinking about that a while back when I built a couple of the stock Maestro circuits [Thanks Gez!]
Brian.
Hi ,
great news
Thank you very much for your informations ;Mr Mayer!
I think that many people are waiting for your new pedal ,it's more than we are waiting for in this forum .I congratulate you too for all your contribution at the rock music !
Best regards
Bruno
Brian Wenz wrote:
Hello Gearbuilder--
The three-knob Colorsound Tonebender came out in late 1971-'72. The "classic" Led Zep period I'm talking about is the "Telecaster years" before Page and Plant started spinning all the drug-induced Hobbit yarns.
I'm totaly agree with you about that but i just give thru informations on the sound of Page .(That's thetopic's subject )
Thank you again but it's my shoots that Jim put in his site with my agreement;(Jim is a very cool man)
and i've got a cloned MKII that do the work.I'm just searching good germs for an MKIII clone now and if i don't find them ,i'll try the future RM Fuzz!
Best Regards
Bruno
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Quote from: Bluesgeetar
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Kindest regards,
Roger Mayer
www.roger-mayer.co.uk
:D :D
You might want to make it a little more clear you are posting a quote from Roger Mayer. Some people apparently now think M. Mayer is posting here...
As to the JP sound, I find my Rangemaster clone into my Ge Fuzz Face gets close and is more flexible than a Tone Bender alone. Then kick it up a notch with a Mosfet booster after the RM and FF!
Kerry M
Hey Bruno,
Thanks. :)
I'm not any sort of a Colorsound authority but I'm wondering if the pedal you sent me the pictures of would be referred to as a MKIV? I ask because this is a pic of a MKIII from a great Colorsound site http://www.netshopboys.com/colorsound - and this particular pedal is touted as being extremely rare.
(http://www.netshopboys.com/colorsound/pedals/lemain/250x250/03.jpg)
I haven't looked closely at the internals yet - but I believe your pedal is the circuit that gets called "3-knob Tonebender" or "Tonbender TC" (for "thin case".)
I don't know for sure though, we need Dennis or Stuart Castledine to chime in! :)
Jim
Hello Hullo--
It's important to know what era we are talking about when anybody wants to know how to "get someone's sound". Depending on the situation, it's very difficult for Page to get Page's sound!
I just try to concern myself with getting MY sound on a day to day basis....
HEY JIM!!-- I bet Ammscray could provide the Colorsound info..I just got off the phone with 'em so maybe he'll check in.
I'm to busy to look all this stuff up, but I'm pretty sure that the circuit in the photo is the earlier MK III [germanium]. I seem to remember that the silicon circuits took over after this one [and then the 4-tranny circuits kicked in].
Oh, by the way, if you don't tell me which BC's you want I'm going to start sending you homemade fuzz boxes 'til you give in!!
oh...shit....wait a minute......I didn't really mean that.............!!!!
Brian.
Not a MkIV either! The MkIV has the same housing, but has Sola Sound written across the top and Tone Bender snaking between the fuzz knob and the switch. There's a tiny "Mark IV" just above the switch.
The MkIII and MkIV circuits are very similar to the "TC". The bias string on the first transistor has different values and some of the caps are different. There were also MkIIIs with Veroboard circuits ala the MkI and MkII.
Hey Brian,
Hehehe, OK I'll send you an email...although whatever you'd like to build me is fine :)
Hi Stuart,
Cool - thanks for the info - I knew you'd know. :) But now I'm kinda confused - is Bruno's TB a MKIII or something else?
Thanks!
Jim
Hello Hello Stuart--
What trannys have you found in the MK III circuits??
[I've got OC75 and OC76 laying around here...I'll probably use the 76's.]
Brian.
Hi,
No, it's not a MkIII, it's the "thin case" Tone Bender we know as the 3-knob, made from late '69 to '74. The first ones were yellow, as seen in this photo next to a MkIV:
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/s.castledine/pics/mkiv.jpg)
I've heard the first ones came with OC75s, including a fourth one used as a diode. I've only seen early '70s examples with those unmarked metal-cased trannies,which I think were made by STC. The earliest have the "upside down" board, where you see the solder side when you open it up.
The Veroboard MkIII circuit was completely different & had silicon transistors. I only know of two of those though. They have two knobs, but the same housing and graphics as the three knob Vox MkIII.
There's also another two knob version of the Vox MkIII with the germanium 3-knob circuit, where the fuzz pot is replaced with a wire link. The tone pot on those is labelled Fuzz, for some reason.
It's all very confusing.
Hullo Hullllooooo
Yeah, and what about those PARK FUZZES !! [Wasn't one of 'em the 3 germ tranny circuit with no fuzz control?]
Thanks for the pictures, Stuart!
Brian.
I'd be fibbin if I said I didn't get a good laugh out of some folks thinking I was Roger Mayer. :lol: Well anyway let me clear that up. I am a huge Page fan and I originally came to this forum a wayz back for only one reason. I wanted to learn how to make Pages effects. So I came here to learn about Tonebenders and wahs and other Page related stuff. So I also figured the best source for finding out this stuff is to ask the man himself rumored to have built Pages effects. SO I emailed Roger Mayer and asked him.
So the post you see of mine earlier was his email response he sent me.
Sorry for getting some hopes up here. I doubt big Rog would ever have anything to do with us here. Also is appears he has came out with that effect already! It is on his website as a new "vision" series product. He states in the description that he made these effects for Page and Beck in 64 or for Page in his early days. Page probably changed to TBs in around 67, 68 and on. Anyway go to the website and read the description. He gives some technical details. It seems to be a boost fuzz type rig.
Concorde + Treble Booster
The Concorde+ Treble Booster housed in the new Vision Series enclosure uses both silicon and germanium transistors in a unique configuration to obtain the best tone qualities from the marriage. When I first started designing pedals in 1961 I produced a treble booster that was tried and used by my friends including Page who played in local bands. The circuit configuration was a standard textbook example but required careful attention to biasing and selection of transistors to obtain the best from this simple circuit. There were many subsequent commercial versions of this type of circuit produced in the sixties that were not available at the time I first designed mine and today I have been asked to produce a more flexible version of my early design. The modern clones of the ultra simple treble boosters lack in flexibility and in my opinion are of very limited use. The Concorde + uses a unique approach of combining a low noise class A silicon drive circuit with passive tone shaping to drive a fully optimised germanium treble booster. This results in giving the simple circuit new life and explores its sonic boundaries to the maximum. It is now possible to add drive and distortion with EQ before the treble booster section .It is also possible to set the silicon drive section to drive the treble booster section much harder than any guitar pickup could ever do without any added distortion but with the added feature or having EQ prior to the treble booster. So if you want the qualities of soft germanium type distortion overload characteristics that this circuit will produce or you want to explore the more radical germanium distortion possibilities the Concorde+ will oblige. The front panels controls of DRIVE, TONE and OUTPUT control the many tone variations and brings the humble treble booster forward to the future.
For more complete information please download the manuals:
Voodoo Vibe Jr
Concorde +
Vision Octavia
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I would like to note
If any of you really want some hard evidence or at least as close as your gonna get , buy that new Zep DVD set! I did and the tonebenders MK2 pro are on there and the thin silver case 3 knober fuzz. I use to have the best picture in the world for all of you wanted Page type sounds and wondering which thin case did he use. I got a pic from a Japanese guy in about 98 showing a slightly overhead shot a Page and his foot mid air coming down on the thin silver case 3 knob tonbender. You could clearly see the bright orange fuzz marking and all. My puter crashed some time after that and I lost the pic. But it is still in my head!
Also if anyone cares, a guy on ebay back in about November or October was selling a gold Marshall Supa Fuzz in the same case as a TB MK2 pro. His selling point was that the Beatles use one. THe ol boy even supplied the pic showing Paul McCartney and John Lennon sitting behind a small stack a amp stuff and sitting right in front of them on the amp was a gold colored pedal in the TB MK2 Pro shape. So being that Supa Fuzzes were in gold colored houses I assume it was a Supa Fuzz. I have that pic somewhere saved to CD disk. Also I have a pic of the guts. The guy provided a nice close up pic of the innerds.
Hi,
I 'm laughing too because i took you for RM ,but like you say it's for JP ih ad trusted you.Sorry again Geers !
bruno
Hi again
Have you seen too in the DVD the extra 'Tous en scene'' ? There is a TB
thin case three knobs too,really the same that my friend have
Nruno
I'll be honest here. I have tried nine ways to Sunday to get Pages Zep 1 tone with misc amps and stuff. I finally broke down and sunk some cash into a Supro Thunderbolt. All I can say is that I have finally arrived. I also bought a mint condition Supro Super 1606. The little tike chews nails! Even better when I hooked him up to a 12" cab. The little 8" Jensen in him just can't take much in the lows. But the Thunderbolt is all Page tone. I threw humbuckers at it at first and something was wrong. I threw my Tele at it and was in Zep heaven. Keep in mind though I have seven tones on my tele with Fralin PUPS! :D
Keep also in mind Page liked to Mic a bit further back than most to get a fatter sound from the amp. Many other tricks he used also. I got to much info on Page. But that's all though just Page.
Oh yeah seen the 'Tous en scene'' I've analyzed every inch of that DVD. I had most of it already I pulled of the net from Kazaa and others. Then the DVD came out and I erased all the crap from the net I got cause it was all right there on the new DVD. I got the Cream video to. It's got that tiny little guitar lesson from young Clapton. The amp in the clip is hissing to hell and back! I never fight hiss I just turn into part of the music. It worked for them back then and it works for me now! God save the hiss and hum!
Hi Bruno,
I have the DVD and I agree - it looks as if Page is indeed using the same type of TB as your friend's during the "Tous En Scene" performance. Man, what a horrible audience - I can see why they refused to perform on TV after that. :)
Jim
Hi,
Yes, this was not the best performance of Led Zep but the sound of the guitar despite the bad recording is VERY BIG !!
I'm going to ask at Dennis of Colorsound what is the realnumber of the grey and orange TB.Perhaps it's a IV but the components are the exactly same of in the MKIII (perhaps only the trannys have changed in this model ,sure they are not OC81,i think perhaps the famous ZTX ?!?)
Well ,i'll give you the exact number,
Besy regards
Bruno
Quote from: BluesgeetarI finally broke down and sunk some cash into a Supro Thunderbolt. All I can say is that I have finally arrived. I also bought a mint condition Supro Super 1606. The little tike chews nails! Even better when I hooked him up to a 12" cab. The little 8" Jensen in him just can't take much in the lows. But the Thunderbolt is all Page tone. I threw humbuckers at it at first and something was wrong. I threw my Tele at it and was in Zep heaven. Keep in mind though I have seven tones on my tele with Fralin PUPS! :D
Throw a rangemaster type treble booster in front of those Supros and you've got probably 85% of the amp tones Pagey used back then. Thats why all the hiss! The "You Shook Me" tone is definitely a Tonebender though.
Regards
RDV
Hello Hello Again--
The sound of the "three knobber" is good for some stuff [for me], so I think I'm going to put the 3-tranny 3-knob circuit into a Colorsound 3-knob reissue that I've had for years and never used [3 silicon trannys...sounds like crap]. That casing is just too cool to NOT use for a pedal! In 1972 or-so somebody tried to get me to replace my 2-knobber with a 3-knob.......["But it's brand new, the latest fuzz...you'll love it!"] Well, I didn't love it, so the MK II stayed. Now, however, MORE FUZZES IS BETTER...so my crappy sounding thin case silicon is going to be re-born as a germanium fire-breather!
Brian
RDV! Way ahead of you bro! When I bought the Supros I already had my little lipstick case Vox treble booster so I put the booster to use immediately on the Supro set. Lovin every minute of it.
Quote from: brian wenzHello Hello--
Yeah, modded Maestro Fuzzes for 9-volt operation. [Originals being 1v-3v]
Some of Pages' earlier studio sessions have the Maestro on 'em .......then the Tonebender came along.
Hey, anybody want to make a 9-volt Maestro?? I was thinking about that a while back when I built a couple of the stock Maestro circuits [Thanks Gez!]
Brian.
actually that sounds pretty cool
Hi
I've read on interview from Page that he use his wha like a filter too :this does some hiss too ,it does react pretty like a treble boost ,does everybody here use a Wha wha before the Tone bender?
Regards
Bruno
Hello Hello--
Yeah, I've used that combo alot.......it can sound pretty good for some things. At extreme settings of the wah it's REALLY shrill.....not like a good treble booster......sort of sounds like everything except the ultra-highs have been removed from the signal. Ice-pick filter!
Brian.
Hi
the treble booster sezms have a peak of 24 dB beetween 1 or two Khz
(from Geofex website)Is it different with a wha on 1 or 2 kh position?
Bruno
I bought a p.e.yard box ,advertised to be the same as the sola gray unit used by page at the bbc concerts,ok I got it ,its a four knobber unit,and sounds nothing like what I expected, I want that gray box clipping but with out the high gain.The only way I can get this pedal to give up similiar clipping is to have the gain knob up to 7-8,then it sounds way to modern.
What can be done to this pedal to get back a good tone.Im a newbe so please be specific thanks
I have tried to emulate that tone also using Colorsound, Solasound, Prescription Yardbox and homemade-don't forget that he used an Echoplex in a good majority of his recordings also and with or without it makes a Great differance
Hello Hello--
The Yardbox [I've owned one for years] is NOTHING like the model of Tonebender that Page used on the early Zep stuff. You want a TB MK II [3-tranny, 2-knob] if you want the exact set-up. A Telecaster guitar is essential for the EXACT sound, too. OC76 germ. trannys are perfect in that circuit but are real hard to find so any good, properly biased germs will do.
Brian.
Hi,Hi,
Crank-up your amp too! Jimmy Page did the same because Bonzo played very loud drums ! I've read that his MK II was modified by RM ,what mod could have be done ?
Bruno
It has been rumored that RM is going to make available to the public a JP distortion unit,such as the one he used in 1 & 2 albums.
Hi gdmart
gdmart wrote:
What can be done to this pedal to get back a good tone.Im a newbe so please be specific thanks
Try to find the schematic and take voltages on transistors and mail me all that ,i'll help you.
Bruno
Hello Hello--
Trying to nail down someone's "sound" is not going to happen if you are using studio recordings as a point of reference. Every song has different guitars, different amps, different fuzz boxes, different studios, different mics, different mic placement.....etc.....
That's why I don't even bother! What I do know is what was used at live gigs. All the live shows that I was at [either playing or back stage] Page used his old Telecaster into the MK II and then into various amps [sometimes solid-state Rickenbacher Transonics!!]. Oops, also the Echoplex. About 1 1/2 years later he had switched to the Les Paul guitar and Marshall amps....a whole different set up.....and he STILL sounded like Jimmy Page! [Again, I only mean the live show.]
Yeah, Mayer has released a JP pedal....but then again, you know what they said about the Yardbox!!
Brian.
Ok Ok Brian
Sorry i am sound engineer and i know all that you claim.I play guitar since i was 16 (i've got 40 now)At each time is the same song;and why trying to have the same sound that this one or this other?In this case i think that you can close forums now .It's because people want to have the sound of that it's interresting to play with
I want to say that ibecause in this case ,many people must stop to play guitar!
Okay we know all of that and i'm agree with you .But in this topic ,peoples want to have th Jimmy Page style sound,i think that it's easiest to approach this sound with a TB and a Marshall and yes, a Télécaster'Never forget than he'd played with Les Paul too!!)than with a dobro in a peavey!Yes you'll ever sound YOURSELF and Jimmy Page like himself!Even if you take the same material than him same amps ,same guitars,same studio ,mikes and everything the same if you're not Jimmy Page you'll never done what he has done I'm sure too .Perhaps you know that but i think that people here doesn't want to do Led zep 1 or 2 album again it's just for fun .
Peace ,and compassion ;we are the world,we are the childrens....
Regards
Bruno
Hello Hello Gearbuilder--
I don't think you are understanding my posts.
What I said is if anybody wants to sound like Page from the Yardbirds to early Zep [when all he used was a Fender Telecaster] then the MK II fuzz is it. As far as amps go, he used all kinds up until he switched to the Les Paul guitar, and then it was all Marshall for the live stuff.
I am not trying to argue, I'm just trying to be clear about what gear was used at different points in time so that people can be aware of what to build [if that's what they want to do].
If this is not clear to everybody else then please, let me know!
Brian.
Hello Hello--
Just remembered something! Somebody mentioned using a Treble Booster for some of Pages studio sounds........well, try the Piggyback TB that Will came up with. I think this is a real good silicon pedal....it sounds GREAT when played through a distorted amp.
Brian.
Hi,
Yes i understand what you mean and you're very clear,but we are saying the same things about that but i'm worst than you about gear and there's a lot of "sound like X " pedals on the market now ,you're right about that .Only the same gear may help you to sound like ,but it's a newbe question here and i think it's difficult for them to afford a good MKII or OC76 too.Maybe just sounding like JP is fine for them ,of all manneer
it's not possible to clone JP!It's because of that we could help them to modify these commercial TB clones.
Regards
Bruno
Hi
A 3 knob clone !
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Bruno