Very interesting, though.
I understand and dig the effect, but *checking studio mixes in the car*?? What's this guy thinking?
http://www.eminence.com/eminence/pages/products02/buttkicker/buttkickermain.htm
I want one in my couch and one on my desk chair ;)
i don't buy it, aye. it's different from voice coil solutions because it sends sound waves directly into the listener's body? huh? earth to neo...
so yay, they have something that turns a current into movement in a linear fashion... sounds like a voice coil to me.
apparently some guy in australia patented a circular revolving transportation facilitator a few years ago...
I'm thinking that sending out frequencies with enough amplitude to significantly shake people is a terrible idea especially in the length of time of a movie..
-Colin
That's the bass player's job, isn't it?
i think it will make people feel very uneasy. people don't like that much. i know i hate it.
as a recording enginner, for 10 years full-time, i found listening to mixes in the car to be extremely useful.
I'd like to experience the Butt kicker. Anyone have any listening time with a similar device?
Quote from: zachary vex...i found listening to mixes in the car to be extremely useful.
Me too, especially with some "fresh air". :wink: :shock: :wink: :shock:
Regards
RDV
yer not so basic coil/magnet [like in a speaker] but driving, well in the instance of my buddies cousin [who played for Tracy Chapman!] can't remem his name, and used a 600w [then 1000w] drumstool for live performances.
He said it is a dream to play because it allow tighness on the bass drum, anyway that's the first I'd heard of it, he was swearing by it as like a godsend and I believed it did make it better for him [and the crew not having to haul huge or possible inadequate monitors].
It's kind of crazy way to do things and the stigma of recieving music through your butt ..lolol...anyway I'm convinced he was liking it very
We used a 250w JBL powered drumstool...lol er cabinet and you can definitibely feel and hear [nice having the bass drum come out by the the speaker by the bass drum] the timing on the drums and we all agreed [well those who play drums] that;s pretty kool.
...and this is psychotic acoustics!
http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/features/revelations_story.cfm?instanceid=60328
:D :D
-Jack
I think I'm going to be ill..... :? You can always count on the Weekly World News to spice anything up. I guess she's too young to be Elvis' love child. Now I feel old. :lol:
take care,
-Peter
I remeber many *very* successful bands and producers reporting they test listen their next big hit mixes trough car stereo and cheepy cassette radios, thats how their fans hear it anyway (sorry I was in a hurry did not have time to read that eminem story yet). But that bass shaker would be cool thing to have, maybe inside your living room sofa...
Is Britney going to give a new record? Millions teen girls (and older men) cant be wrong, there is even few own "styles" named "Btney"something in auto-accompaniment music program Band-In-A-Box! Sounds just like Britney records...
Quote from: amz-fx...and this is psychotic acoustics!
http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/features/revelations_story.cfm?instanceid=60328
:D :D
-Jack
BRITNEY SPEARS IS A MUSICAL GENIUS
Top musicologist claims...
ok now i gotta go clean my pants. crap like this is what makes you want to say screw it by pro tools and make some money. a guy hears some of my stuff and wants to buy one of my pedals. we meet i let him hear stuff, send him to my sites and let him play around with the stuff online. then he tells me he is recording in protools and i was thinking to my self ok well he's wasting his time
http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=search&item=AST-1B&type=store
I bought these a couple of months ago. Haven't had a chance to try them out, but they look pretty cool.
Quote from: Mike BurgundyVery interesting, though.
I understand and dig the effect, but *checking studio mixes in the car*?? What's this guy thinking?
Not sure what your question is here, as checking mixes on car systems is a very widespread practice at every level of recording studio. Thanks for the link, it does look interesting.
Kerry M
Britney IS a musical genius, it’s just that her music is only intelligible to the largest of marine mammals…
Here at our university, a professor giving us a tour of the recording labs told us that many people would listen to the mix on monitors, headphones, then burn it to a CD and run out to a car and test it on consumer-level speakers. After all, that's what a large percentage of listeners have.
It's tricky getting a mix that sounds good on all equipment. I'm sure people in the recording industry can attest to that.
Some stuff must sound like crap with the death-by-bass-over-emphasis-in-the-20Hz-region-car-stereo....
Quote from: Mike BurgundyVery interesting, though.
I understand and dig the effect, but *checking studio mixes in the car*?? What's this guy thinking?
It's pretty common practice from what I understand. The idea is to listen to your mix on as many different types of systems as possible, esp the types the consumers are using. Getting it to sound good on the studio monitors is one thing. Sounding good on someone's cheapie stereo or cassette deck can be another.
I'm not into all this shaking, thunder, earthquake nonsense in "music". It's an interesting effect in surround systems and movie theaters, but is highly annoying at traffic lights.
Doug
Quote from: amz-fx...and this is psychotic acoustics!
http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/features/revelations_story.cfm?instanceid=60328
:D :D
-Jack
I want a bat-boy t-shirt.
Doug
1) I am the proud owner of that particular issue of the Weekly World News (which also reveals Pres. Bush's plan to disarm the Chinese by buying all the chopsticks in the world). It has to be one of their very best yet. As Eric Idle would say about the content "Boom, boom, every one a Maserati".
2) There was a computer gadget for gamers a few years back that hung around your neck like a scarf. Not unlike the force feedback joysticks intended to make you feel like you were hit, this thing provided subwoofer-like tones directly to the chestal area so you could feel the throb without your neighbours having to also. Do YOU see them in the stores anymore? I know *I* certainly don't.
3) For a number of years, EVERY studio (please confirm, Zach) owned a pair of Auratone monitors. These were little cubes containing a single 5-1/4" full range sealed speaker, very similar to what there are 9 of in the Bose 901's. Standard practice was that once you had mixed everything down on your Tannoys or whatever, you then listened to the mix on the Auratones to mimic what the average listener would hear. If the mix that was inspiring on the big monitors failed to inspire on the wee ones, chances were no one was going to hear the song on the radio at work or while washing dishes and immediately rush out to buy the recording.
4) I have a little 4" subwoofer sitting around, and while I like the way 8" full range speakers sound, I'm pondering combing the subwoofer and a separate amp with an 8" for a meatier sound in a compact package.
I think it was Les Paul who used to do his mixes using a TV/radio speaker still in the cab.
Beatles and Abba records sound bass thin, as well as Led Zeppelin. Made before Techno Bass.
Quote2) There was a computer gadget for gamers a few years back that hung around your neck like a scarf. Not unlike the force feedback joysticks intended to make you feel like you were hit, this thing provided subwoofer-like tones directly to the chestal area so you could feel the throb without your neighbours having to also. Do YOU see them in the stores anymore? I know *I* certainly don't.
Sorry;(new here)
I believe Mark is referring to "Bone Fones", a LOW freq vibratory device that strapped over the user's neck and made physical contact with the users collarbone-upper ribcage, thus imparting the lows to the bone structure. With the Bone Fone, headphones, 21" monitor, Voodoo II 3Dfx,and Nine Inch Nails BGM--Even Qauke 1 became a total sensory experience!! :twisted:
BTW: re: Those THUMPA-THUMPA Bass laden cars scare me!! The lowest limit of human hearing is 20khz, but the output could reasonable be below this threshhold. Isn't the resonant freq of the human bowel @ around 11-12 HZ? No wonder I have to S@#T when I hear one of these vehicles stop next to me at a stoplight! :oops:
I can understand the logic behind using a car system to test a mix in order to get an idea of what it will sound like to the "common folk." But how many people have Buttkicker Super-Knockout Smashfest vibration subwoofers in their cars? I don't think it's worth the cost to find out what it will sound like to the three people in the world who do. :)
Alex
Is this Buttkicker thing an over the top vibrate your car effect, or is it something more subtle? As I sit here thinking of how to type my thoughts it comes tome.....The damn thing is called BUTTKICKER! I think I have experienced enough.
I wrote
QuoteI'd like to experience the Butt kicker. Anyone have any listening time with a similar device?
Buttsticker???
Sounds painful!
REgards
RDV
I guess it depends which end of the stick your on... :o
Sorry :wink:
the link to the "aura bass" at all electronics (a GREAT surplus supplier) should satisfy anyones interest in this subject. Also...if you had an extra 250,000 with a (slight) interest in the 'music business' and were approached by an 'entrepeneur'- you ,too, might be persuaded to invest in 'the next big thang'. Be kind to the poor bass man.
Sounds funny too. Hip Hop stereo for the car in his room and turns the bass so that it lie envelopes on itself,,, very unnatural to say the least.
There's a limit to how many knobs and roloffs make sound 'better'.
I remember when a Mid control WITH Loudness also was like WOW!!
Amps were designed for fidelity, and voiced for a good sounding resopnse [er at least that was the goal] over a wide band of frequencies. Add bass and trable and the records sounded just great IMO.
There's no way to compensate for the variety of different equipment that recordings will be played on these days.
The fact that a wave can be stopped, altered, and reshaped anyway you want has led to records that don't sound real good alot of the time... opinion.
Back in the day of LP's and cassete you had real good, normal and cruddy...now when I listen to CD's theres like parts missing, new parts that dont' really sound right, mixes are all mixed up...somehow radio seems to sound pretty close to the same...CD's are just dry and flat sound IMO unless you get all the high definition and gear for it.
I would take just nice fidelity speakers, amp and turntable any day of the week too.
I should have totally worded that different. I know the benifits of testing a mix under different and crappy circumstances, do that myself. It was more the suggestion that the car suddenly sounded (!) more hi-fi, or better, but it was really late and I wasn't completely focused at the time. Car stereos are truly crap (mostly down to acoustics), so if you want a crappy setup...
Silly me ;)
Pete:
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I guess she's too young to be Elvis' love child. Now I feel old.
What are you suggesting? That you, perhaps...?
:)