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Title: DS-1 Discovery
Post by: phillip on January 30, 2004, 03:58:05 PM
For those who have a newer DS-1 with the Mitsubishi M5223AL chip, if you remove the 1K resistor (R40...the tiny little 1/8-watt resistor) between +9V and pin 7 of the IC, it will produce a much smoother distortion...almost borderline on Overdrive when the Distortion control is turned down.

With that in mind, it stands to reason that if you up the value of that resistor...the distortion will get smoother and smoother the higher the resistance goes.

The only downside is that there is a small volume drop with the resistor removed, but that really isn't a problem, considering how loud the DS-1 can go!

Phillip
Title: DS-1 Discovery
Post by: smoguzbenjamin on January 30, 2004, 04:59:55 PM
:D I think it's time to make Ansils LM386 clone of the DS-1 :D
Title: DS-1 Discovery
Post by: Axmanjr on January 31, 2004, 02:08:54 AM
Cool!  I should experiment!
Title: DS-1 Discovery
Post by: Brian Marshall on January 31, 2004, 02:45:09 AM
how about a tube version of the ds1... yeah that would be a waste of time.

hehehe
Title: DS-1 Discovery
Post by: Ed G. on January 31, 2004, 01:47:08 PM
So far, I've replaced one of the diodes to the DS1 with a LED, added the 47 pf cap across the diodes, and snipped that resistor, and it sounds a bit smoother, but still too harsh. I think the problem is the tone control. There's a small range from the 'icepick' to the 'dull' sounds in that control.
How do Keeley or any of the other modders address this?
Title: DS-1 Discovery
Post by: Boofhead on January 31, 2004, 10:18:00 PM
That resistor looks odd.

I wonder if 1K is the correct value?
Title: DS-1 Discovery
Post by: Oliver on February 01, 2004, 03:54:10 PM
Hi,

another good mod to the Stock DS-1 is to add one Diode to the Clipping Stage for asymetrical clipping.

Its cheap and fast done.
You get less Distortion at lower Gainsettings (nearly clean with a Stratocaster SingleCoil) and higher Gainsettings are smoother
and sounds like an Ibanez TubeKing (it comes very, very near)

bye
Oliver
Title: DS-1 Discovery
Post by: wampcat1 on February 02, 2004, 08:50:34 PM
Quote from: Ed G.So far, I've replaced one of the diodes to the DS1 with a LED, added the 47 pf cap across the diodes, and snipped that resistor, and it sounds a bit smoother, but still too harsh. I think the problem is the tone control. There's a small range from the 'icepick' to the 'dull' sounds in that control.
How do Keeley or any of the other modders address this?

change c10 and c12 to .047 uf's. Change r13 to taste...10k/22k or in that area.
Title: DS-1 Discovery
Post by: bobbletrox on February 03, 2004, 12:02:51 AM
Is the cap added across the diodes soldered onto the back of the board?  Keeley's PIC (http://www.robertkeeley.com/audio6l6/dsback.jpg) looks like the cap is soldered between the two diodes like this:



O-->|--O
|      |
|--||--|
|      |
O--|<--O



Is that right?

It's the last thing I've gotta do to finish modding my DS-1.  The LED makes great difference.
Title: DS-1 Discovery
Post by: phillip on February 03, 2004, 12:12:42 AM
Yes, the 47pF capacitor is soldered onto the back of the board (solder side) across the two clipping diodes.  Make sure that you solder it nice and flat against the board, because if it sticks up too far, the bottom plate won't fit right since the board is so close to it.

Phillip
Title: DS-1 Discovery
Post by: gringo699c on February 05, 2004, 10:12:28 PM
Keeley writes articles for
  www.musicianshotline.com
 There are a couple of articles in the archives on his ds1 mods. Sign up for a sample copy of the mag and you will get it everymonth for free.
 He has an article in every issue with lots of cool info.
Chris
Title: DS-1 Discovery
Post by: WGTP on February 06, 2004, 09:55:58 AM
Does the DS-1 sound much like a RAT?  Slightly similiar designs  :roll:
Title: DS-1 Discovery
Post by: Ed G. on February 06, 2004, 10:07:44 AM
No, not really. The DS-1 sounds more 'open' than the rat, but has less sustain. The Rat is much smoother. The DS-1 sounds much harsher in the high end. I much prefer the RAT for overall distortion use.