Click here (http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=NOB_C37_C&Category_Code=VOLUME&Product_Count=2) to behold $485 knobs :shock: and the associated audiophile bullshit that goes with them :roll:
. . .
I think they believe that shit!!
Quote from: Jason StoutI think they believe that shit!!
That is certainly the impression you get isn't it.
Time to borrow my dad's lathe and make me some "good vibration" knobs!!!
Audiophiles... :roll:
Funniest thing I've ever seen was a Hi-Fi magazine comparing expensive digital audio coax cables and commenting on the increased clarity and improved soundstage of the really expensive ones... How a certain cable can improve the content of a binary encoded signal is beyond me ! :lol:
mmmm... if had had that kind of money i wouldnt be spendin' it on knobs... :lol: but honestly, that is a "SLIGHT" rip off, any one in their right mind would make one instead!
peace!
callum
what a crock.
Ha! Also, include with your order the $50 electrolytic capacitor! AND don't forget the $1600 audio transformer! As soon as it ships I'll post my build report for the $1635 tycobrahe octavia. I might still undercut some vintage sellers.
Oh, and if you guys thought J Everman's "The Pot" was pricey, BEHOLD! THE SEVEN THOUSAND DOLLAR (yes completely passive!) VOLUME CONTROL:
http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=SLVR_RCK_SGNTR&Category_Code=VOLUME&Product_Count=1
......I make this hat. It is long white and pointed at the top. Sit on a stool in a the corner and twiddle your thumbs... you won't belive how incredible everything will sound!!
It is called the Ecnud!
$1080.00 patch cord??
http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=RAM&Product_Code=ACT_SIGN_A
Quote from: SamuelOh, and if you guys thought J Everman's "The Pot" was pricey, BEHOLD! THE SEVEN THOUSAND DOLLAR (yes completely passive!) VOLUME CONTROL:
You must refer to Pots only as Potentiometers when they crack the $5,000 mark.
Wait 'till you see "The Potentiometer" pedal!
They've even got Audiophile caps & resistors.
I wonder what a pedal using those Black Gate caps and "Precision Power Film" radial resistors would sound like? Probably the same as one using Ratshack parts...but at least you could charge $1,000 for it!
Quote from: bobbletroxThey've even got Audiophile caps & resistors.
I wonder what a pedal using those Black Gate caps and "Precision Power Film" radial resistors would sound like? Probably the same as one using Ratshack parts...but at least you could charge $1,000 for it!
Well, you could
ask for $1000...
I want to believe its a joke webpage, poking fun at audiophiles?
Are there really people who will pay over a grand for three feet of RCA cable?
Jered
My friend, it's not just any rca cable. They use cotton.
QuoteUnbleached, natural cotton dielectric which achieves unique natural, smooth and dynamic sound
surely you see, it's the cotton, that makes all the difference.
And to think all this time I haven't been using cotton.
whoa, you can buy plain cotton sleeves off them for as little as $2.50 for 9ft!
:) Very many thanx for the link, very well-written bullshit in so many pages, I might even consider to archive several best ones for further use. If I start my Boutique Limited Edition pedal business some day, this kind of background material will be handy for advertising and owner´s manuals. I specially liked the opamp module rewiev, and some list of bad-sounding opamps must be of interest for readers of this site.
The "Rock-solid" amp section "MDF-Granito" case (with those special knobs) gives inspiration for amp-diy ers too. With little imagination you can make a lookalike of a very expensive amp. Of course it is not sound alike
:oops: PS (Edited) I do not want to say honest hardworking professional pedalmakers are involved any means with this kind of thick and heavy bullshit but if I can fool some jerks that have too much money that can´t hurt anybody :roll:
Quote from: JeredI want to believe its a joke webpage, poking fun at audiophiles?
That was my first guess too.
QuoteAre there really people who will pay over a grand for three feet of RCA cable?
Oh yes :?
Quote from: Nasse...very well-written bullshit in so many pages, I might even consider to archive several best ones for further use. If I start my Boutique Limited Edition pedal business some day, this kind of background material will be handy for advertising and owner´s manuals...
I was thinking along those lines too :twisted:
Imagine trying to convince your wife you need to spend a grand on a cotton cable... You'd get smacked.
Lets say what they are claiming has some grounds... would it still be worth that kind of money?
i paid $650 for my car... i couldn't even by a cotton cable for what i bought my car for...
its an 88 plymouth sundance in case anyone cares =/
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
what is the go with some people. i swear that should be illegal. mind you, im sure they could bribe the cops with a $20,000 speaker. schmick. or not.
http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=RAM&Category_Code=SPEAKERS
Cheers,
Jim
P.S. Ansil, pymouths rock.
Quote from: jimmywhat is the go with some people. i swear that should be illegal. mind you, im sure they could bribe the cops with a $20,000 speaker. schmick. or not.
Especially as the speakers seem to create
power where none is originally present, and I quote...
...the dynamic punch in Norah Jones' tracks are just amazing...I'm in the wrong job. I should knock out ugly shit like that, hype it up and sell it at stupid prices. I could retire at 40.
Once somebody has paid for this shite would they have the nerve to admit they had spent the money on something useless and aesthetically bad once they got it home? Hell no, they'd be even more determined to say that it was sonic nirvana to save face. Until somebody else had more better hype to lure them with.
And if they did complain you could always sell them a handcrafted potentiometer box with wooden knobs to "improve" the sound out of all recognition. And if that failed sell them some cotton cables. And if that failed sell them some...
This one is absolutely brilliant:
"You will notice that the sound will change rapidly during the first weeks. It will be settled after about 10 weeks, with a tendency to improve even after months and years. Hence the long term quality will be superb."
:roll:
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Audiophools!
I don't know what I find more offensive.... people willing to scam others, or people stupid enough to fall for that.
Quote from: NasseThis one is absolutely brilliant:
"You will notice that the sound will change rapidly during the first weeks. It will be settled after about 10 weeks, with a tendency to improve even after months and years. Hence the long term quality will be superb."
:roll:
In other words... the shit you paid way over the odds for will age and decay just the same as the normal stuff costing 1/20th to 1/1000th of the price :lol:
Quote from: SamuelOh, and if you guys thought J Everman's "The Pot" was pricey, BEHOLD! THE SEVEN THOUSAND DOLLAR (yes completely passive!) VOLUME CONTROL:
http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=SLVR_RCK_SGNTR&Category_Code=VOLUME&Product_Count=1
Hey you guys missed replacing the Oak for Mahogany $960
I thing there may be a 70 year delivery delay as they must be growing a tree especially for you at that price.
Don't tell Gibsom about that price for mahogany as theyre already too expensive.
Rob...
(http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/images/products/mantrasound/dulcet/xover_inside_l.jpg)
Does that cost 20 grand and 6 years to develop? My ass! :D This website is just plain funny. It shows how willing people are to believe something and then call themselves experts.
My girlfriend (she's an amateur artist) was talking about this yesterday. So-called upper-class people looking at art and then pretending to be experts. Someone looked at one of her paintings once in an exposition and took the liberty of making up a story to go with the painting, and telling this to my girlfriend. No harm in that but this so-called art-expert was talking total crap. :?
QuoteSilver Rocks cannot be returned or exchanged for any reason so please make sure it fits in your system by trying a demo unit. Processing may take up to 4 weeks when items are not in stock and a 50% down payment applies.
Translation: "I'm covering my ass so when people find out that they bought total bullshit they can't do anything! HA!"
Come
on :roll:
Quote from: Jason StoutMy friend, it's not just any rca cable. They use cotton.
QuoteUnbleached, natural cotton dielectric which achieves unique natural, smooth and dynamic sound
surely you see, it's the cotton, that makes all the difference.
Wait a minute! My underwear is made out of cotton... I'll see you later!
As he runs off to wrap all his stompboxes in his underwear, excited about the new sonic possibilities...
I wonder how I'm going to explain to my mom that wrapping cotton boxershorts around guitar cables makes them sound better :roll:
Hey these Quantum Purifiers work great on my toaster! My toast comes out a wonderful brown color, and one can detect subtle notes of yeast and flour in the flavor. And only $85!
Seems Audiophoolishness is closely related to New Age Hooey and Alternative Medicine nonsense. www.randi.org regularly features wacky (and usually expensive) gadgets that claim to do things like purify the electrcity in your home, but are really just $200 extension cords.
Kerry M
that picture that smoguzbenjamin posted....they don't even use shielded wire! I bet that thing sounds like crap hahahaha
see you laugh, but in reality you should be crying, as this guy is prob eating lobster stuffed with prime rib in the back seat of his lexus while his chaufer drives him to the bank, laughing all the way. :D
My integrity isn't for sale. :D
-Peter
I am pretty ignorant when it comes to wirewound resistors, but can anyone think of ANY reason to make a wirewound resistor from silver?
(http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/images/products/ac/resistor.jpg)
I can't but I am curious if there is any theory backing them up. They are also winding transformers with silver wire...what gives? my bullshit detector is beginning to hurt :evil:
silver is an excellent conductor....so making a resistor out of it has excellent audio qualities, do to its low resistance!
HAHA it _is_ stupid.
transformers with silver wire at least make _some_ sence...less waste to heat I guess.
Quote from: Halthat picture that smoguzbenjamin posted....they don't even use shielded wire!
Look at the crappy workmanship on the lower right hand joint. The box is only made out of cheap MDF too. I wonder how THAT effects the tone? :roll:
Quote from: bobbletroxQuote from: Halthat picture that smoguzbenjamin posted....they don't even use shielded wire!
Look at the crappy workmanship on the lower right hand joint. The box is only made out of cheap MDF too. I wonder how THAT effects the tone? :roll:
Maybe MDF is closer to the qualities of cotton than real wood. Obviously cotton = MOJO :mrgreen:
The amorphous matrix presented by MDF construction helps to reduce the inherent resonances commonly presented by thick cellulose laminates in their natural biological state.
Actually.... that is somewhat true. It doesn't change that the pic is showing a $50 crossover, sloppily repackaged. :(
-Peter
They(audiophools) should be tied up in a concrete room and forced to listen to 'Bachman/Turner Overdrive 8-Tracks for eternity. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Buah ah ah ah ah ah.....
Beelzebub
someone should send this thread to them.
Remember when the forum was talking about how too many solder fumes start to make you go nuts and everything? Do you think there's a connection? The guys making these things were just regular DIY types, having a good old time making stompboxes and HiFi gear and what-have-you in their workrooms and basements, and then a few too many fumes and now their selling magic knobs for hundreds of dollars.
I suppose it could just be economics that drives them to this - when you sell knobs for 500 dollars, you don't have to sell nearly as many as when you sell them for 3. All you need are one or two really rich, not so bright guys and you're golden.
Thanks for the great links and photos guys. It was a boring day at work until now!
You gotta larf. I love the way they play on people's fears.
Quotethe micro vibrations created by the volume pots and knobs find their way into the delicate signal path
So you MUST protect your DELICATE signal path.
The sad part is that there are probably a few neurotic (and maybe psychotic too) audiophools out there who will delude themselves that they are some kind of hero if they stop the evil physical vibrations ( :evil: ).
Weird.
Quotethe micro vibrations created by the volume pots and knobs find their way into the delicate signal path
What about the macro vibrations from the music??
Warding off the evil micro vibrations . . . Reminds me of this (http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-11-25&res=l) comic . . . [/url]
Quote from: sfrReminds me of this (http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-11-25&res=l) comic . . . [/url]
I'll have to pick up some of that Gleaming Twistfoil.
Quote from: sfrWarding off the evil micro vibrations . . . Reminds me of this (http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-11-25&res=l) comic . . . [/url]
Thanks for the link...
Kerry M
This has GOT to be a joke, right? I mean- no one who as a spare $400 is going to be stupid enough to waste it on a knob, right?
luke
:mrgreen: Haha! This is so stupid that it's funny! :mrgreen: lol
Yeah, this is a great thread! I think it's best when no one's divided on a topic, we're all united in bashing something crazy, you know? :) What fun!
Alex
ATTENTION: Glass house dwellers!!
1) A JRC4558D will improve the sonic quality of just about anything within 50 feet of it.
2) Anything and everything is better with tubes. Even cellphone quality can be improved by tubes.
3) If you want your '62 Strat to sound authentic, you really need to have pots with a 1962 date code on them.
One of the things that is conspicuous about anyone having anything remotely related to the arts is that enthusiasm and oral legend can have a drastic impact on perception. Not only do people SEE a naked emperor as fully clothed, they can even tell you what the fabric feels like!
I suspect the only difference between those who place too much faith in urban legend about performance equipment and those who place too much faith in urban legend about music reproduction equipment is the pricepoint and age range. Musicians tend to be younger with less disposable income, so they get duped about stuff that generally costs in the under-$500 range, where audiophiles tend to be older with more disposable income so their foolishness can come with a higher price tag. Apart from their respective budgets, though, there is really not all that much difference in their respective levels of gullibility.
All of that aside, what I find truly remarkable is that the stuff they sell that will clearly make a difference in sonic quality, or at least has an undisputed relevance to sonic quality - like caps and op-amps - go for a puny fraction of what other items like knobs and volume controls go for. It's like spending $120 on a Strat pickup trio and then turning around and spending $1000 on the pickup switch and $800 on the wire to connect them.
Me, I wonder why I don't see more folks lying dead in bed in their Nikes with their 'nads removed. :? There seems to be no end to folks who never stop for a moment and ask themselves "But does that really make sense?" about whatever it is they happen to be swept away over.
Quote from: Mark Hammer1) A JRC4558D will improve the sonic quality of just about anything within 50 feet of it.
2) Anything and everything is better with tubes. Even cellphone quality can be improved by tubes.
3) If you want your '62 Strat to sound authentic, you really need to have pots with a 1962 date code on them.
Well yeah,
if you buy into that horsecrap too :wink:
But the audiophile crap makes paying over the top prices for a pedal or component seem tame.
So... Any takers on a "Just like Jimi" Fuzz Face circuit in an MDF box covered in "Gleaming Twistfoil"? Only $500. True bypass upgrade $500. Beyond the grave mojo vibration detector knobs upgrade sale price of $750 for a pair.
Form an orderly queue please. :twisted:
QuoteBut the audiophile crap makes paying over the top prices for a pedal or component seem tame.
Does it? Just yesterday I saw a TS-808 advertised on e-bay with a "magic" JRC4558D MALAYSIAN chip in it - for about US$500 - and the auction hadn't finished! Malaysian 4558 indeed! But some Pedalaphool bought that TS-808 (and the story) for megabucks.
As Mark H said
QuoteThere seems to be no end to folks who never stop for a moment and ask themselves "But does that really make sense?" about whatever it is they happen to be swept away over.
I've also seen reports that around 50% of americans believe in the Genesis account of creation and around 25% believe in telepathy ( :roll: !!). To me it says a lot about the weaknesses of the education system that people can't reach simple rational conclusions about stuff.
Well Brett, how many Australians believe in those things? Hmm? Or are you all just a bunch of crocodile dundee wannabee's going walkabout? Do you get my point? :D
As an American, I get tired of people from other countries bashing my education and that of everyone I know. We can't all live in a former penal colony you know. LOL! If you ask me all the smart Aussies swam to New Zealand years ago! By the way, do we have any Kiwis on the board?
This is all meant in fun Brett, but it does have a real point to it.
You get what you pay for with audio components.
And if you pay for those knobs, chances are you'll get 'em..they probly bought a bulk shipment, and can ship out a pair to you, no9 problem for about 9$ total...
What the heck..put it up there just for fun, get one or two bites and Ill be in the pink.
The number of sucker ads found makes me think there are Ppl who might buy into one of those...that's why there are so many 'leech' ads.
You get enough misinformation, and a novice [although it would seem unfeasable anyone could be so stupid] might have trouble sorting it out, and buy into it simply, going for 'the more you pay the better you get' theory.
I'm sure they probly get dagged responses...and laugh...
Quote from: brett
I've also seen reports that around 50% of americans believe in the Genesis account of creation and around 25% believe in telepathy ( :roll: !!). To me it says a lot about the weaknesses of the education system that people can't reach simple rational conclusions about stuff.
It's not a weakness, it's a strength! :wink: Or schools crank out ideal consumers! Spoiled infantile dumbasses who never saw an advertising claim they didn't believe. Not that we have a corner on the wacky belief market.
I'll post this again for good measure: www.randi.org
Kerry M
ok, i read this post with my glasses OFF and thought i was seein things... put em back on and about fell outta my chair! Talk about 10 pounds of crap in a 9 pound bag LOL
Quote from: Mark Hammer
Me, I wonder why I don't see more folks lying dead in bed in their Nikes with their 'nads removed.
LMAO! (@ 3:30 AM @ girlfriend's apartment)
There are 'other' things you could do witha knob.
I think the seller has done them all too...
Those 'inserts' are Bronze NOT Brass...
With all that 'Jazz' and one grain of salt, you could have an "Exorcize the Evil Spirits of the Signal path party!!!"
:mrgreen:
here is a VERY interesting read for us "dumb" Americans who
still believe in the Genesis account...... :D
http://www.discovery.org/articleFiles/PDFs/survivalOfTheFakest.pdf
Wow. I'm gonna make my teachers read that whenever I think they're talking bull. ;)
yeah, that's just the tip of the iceberg. just think, all of those scientists
who claim to only believe that which is based on empiracle evidence,
and yet for years have believed so much based on faith in fraud like
the speckled moths and and the embryonic research that has now been
proven to have been staged. :roll:
If you knew how textbooks were produced, you'd quickly realize that the types of fudged information the writer makes so much of are typical of all textbooks, even those that have absolutely nothing to do with anything related to evolution or religion. One would hope that something which ends up being so divisive and contentious would be a little more seamless and defensible, but in general the errors pointed out are no more problematic than the error-riddled map of the human cortex which showed up in textbook after textbook for decades, and no more fabricated than Sir Cyril Burt's statistical "evidence" of the heritability of intelligence that became the basis for much of the streaming system we saw in schools for decades. There are more pernicious things than a moth stuck to a tree trunk.
Textbooks (much like magazine articles!) are produced under duress and tight timelines. My own experience being involved in one is that more attention is paid, and more resources devoted, to verifying legal permission to use secondary sources than to their veracity or accuracy. This occurs largely because texts are quite often written during an individual academic's sabbatical year, and need to be finished up in time to send sample copies out to profs and school boards so they have enough lead time to order them in to the bookstore or book repository for distribution at the start of the next semester. The attention to permission over accuracy, in my view, occurs because there is a potentially great deal of money to be made via a best-seller (consider how many math or biology texts are bought by the New York or California school system each year, or how many introductory Sociology texts you'd sell if your book was adopted by *just* Ohio State and University of Michigan), so those who feel their own work stands to make someone else money will come after you with lawyers in tow at the drop of a hat. Factual errors, on the other hand, are the sort of thing you can always fix in the next edition....should there be one.
I wouldn't make too much of the author's points with respect to the debate it purports to address. I *would* however, be far more concerned with what it reflects about the relationship between profit-making, career-making, and educational materials of any sort.
All that being said, the OT/BS forum at Ampage is the home for the evolution/creation debate amongst musicians. Better to move this thread over there.
Quote from: caseyhere is a VERY interesting read for us "dumb" Americans who
still believe in the Genesis account...... :D
http://www.discovery.org/articleFiles/PDFs/survivalOfTheFakest.pdf
http://www.txscience.org/files/discovery.htm
http://skepdic.com/creation.html
Kerry M
interesting response, except that the fraud involved is not just
cited by textbooks, but have been major cornerstones in which
many evolutionists have based their faith.
not here to argue dude.....we could cite all kinds of
internet finds to support our belief system....
like this one:
http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?id=29
or talk about how the THEORY of evolution cannot coincide
with the 2nd LAW of thermaldynamics...etc...
or how according to scientific thought, everything began
with a singularity. define singularity and anyone can see
that the "science" of evolution is faith based as well.
but it would doubtfully benefit the real core issue to
tackle any of these thoughts and to argue about how it
all began.
the real issue is not if evolution or creation is the
truth, the real issue is whether there is a supreme
being out there, and if so what is our relationship to Him.
according to Christianity, Jesus came to draw men through
his sacrifice on the cross and resurrection from the dead.
all for one purpose...relationship with God.
that is the core issue.
much love sir,
casey
Quote from: caseythe real issue is not if evolution or creation is the
truth, the real issue is whether there is a supreme
being out there, and if so what is our relationship to Him.
I think that's well said, with the exception of the obvious gender bias inclusion.
My take? Spirituality is essential, philosophy is essential, but religion is evil. There is no need for a supreme being, and at the same time science falls far short of explaining everything. Science only explains that which IS demonstrably consistent.
I will say I have yet to meet a Christian on the street who can tell me what flora the term Christ refers to the use of. Translations beget as much fraud as textbook publishing for profit does.
Quote from: Mark HammerAll that being said, the OT/BS forum at Ampage is the home for the evolution/creation debate amongst musicians. Better to move this thread over there.
Ahmen. (a term of Zoroastrian origin.... don't get me started.... ;))This forum is about audio and I request that any additional discussion of this topic should go elsewhere as Brother Mark suggests. Please feel free to keep going on this via PMs, but let us take the forum back to the arena from which it came.
*** Thank you. ***-Peter
Damn expensive knobs :evil:
Brett Wrote:
Quoteand around 25% believe in telepathy
....I knew he would write that :lol:
I'm wondering if Australians don't have telepathy like we Americans do? Why do they think we won WWII? It sure wasn't our superior tanks (thats for sure!). IT was telepathy! LOL
HA! I know what is up with that page... if you notice, the area code is (909). Now, if you are from Southern California like I am, you will know that "the 909" is like the goddamned backwoods of the Ozarks. Full of mullets, huge mirrored sunglasses, methamphetamine, late 70's Camaros (aka Meth Sleds) and the like. I guess if you have fried your brain on crank, you will believe some crappy knobs that anyone can make on a lathe are worth almost $500.
mullets are cool
cheers
Jim