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The thread about Tom and some other threads I have read reminded me that just because someone has been posting in this forum, doesn't automatically make them trust-worthy. Remember, there's a lot of people posting under psuedonyms and that alone should let you know that you don't know who they are.

I made a mistake when I started my forum - I should have asked for real names. If you take a good look at the people that post under their real names, most of them post valuable information. This is not to say that people that post under psuedonyms don't, because I know a lot of them that do. All I am trying to say is that a lot of times you really don't know who you are dealing with.

If you are attempting to deal with someone in the forum, do a search of their posts to see what kind of person you are dealing with. You can read a lot from their posts in the past.

Another issue is deletion of entire posts. When I started this new forum, I gave everyone the ability to edit their posts. This was so that you can fix annoying typos, not so that you can go crazy and delete entire posts that you decided to retract because you made a "bad post" and later decided to wipe out the entire post.

Finally, please remember that a lot of people here are helping out of kindness. Do not abuse their helpfulness because these sites would not exist without them.

Hey now... :wink:  I'm trust worthy, I'm just not very usefull...... yet!

Thats good advice Aron !
And RainDog, you remind me of my youngest Son, he Graduated highschool 4 years ago and instantly put on a T-Shirt that Say's { Won't Work For Nuthin } He He !
I can Barely read it anymore, He He !, He just enrolled at USTA so I guess Mom's Bleach did the Trick on that old T-Shirt :wink:  :wink:
JD

Good points, Aron. As someone who post's under a psuedonym, I don't feel it affects what I say or don't say, nor the quality of my information. Or...lack of it :lol:  Nor would I say that a higher percentage of posts under real names have a more useful content. Having said that, there's You, RG, Doug H, Mark H, and so on, who do provide the large majority of the educational posts.

Other than the above, some of the posters who use first and last names, may not even be using their real names. If their advise works for me, I'm happy. And I agree that it is easy for some types to write differently under the guise of a psuedonym. Also, some people may just automatically trust posts more that appear to use real names.

I have no qualms about using my real name. I participate in several forums, and weighed this issue and decided on a psuedonym. What factors did I consider? For one, the sheer amount of alerts daily on my firewall, the virus' and infected emails my anti-virus catches. Don't forget that some of us may do online investing and banking too. Not everyone is an EE, but may have an occupation that makes a psuedonym a better choice or a security issue. Yes, this is a very friendly forum as far as forums go, but as you said, you never really know who you are talking with, real name or not.

If you use proper internet etiquitte, and stick to basically pedals, all can be judged equally on the content of their posts, and their respect for one another. It really doesn't have to be deeper than that with this type of  forum.

Quote from: JDThats good advice Aron !
And RainDog, you remind me of my youngest Son, he Graduated highschool 4 years ago and instantly put on a T-Shirt that Say's { Won't Work For Nuthin } He He !
I can Barely read it anymore, He He !, He just enrolled at USTA so I guess Mom's Bleach did the Trick on that old T-Shirt :wink:  :wink:
JD

Well, that's cool! I'm glad I seem younger than my actual age.

Quote from: Fret WireOther than the above, some of the posters who use first and last names, may not even be using their real names.

Hey!! Do you think I would pick this name if I had to choose a fake first and last name??!!  :D

I'm not so sure.....give me your address, ID #, phone #, drivers license #, bank account numbers...and of course ALL credit card numbers, and I'll get back to you. :lol:   :twisted:

Seriously, I hope you got more out of my post than that. Not accusing anyone of using fake names, just pointing out that not every name here may be real. And it's not for deceitfull reasons, probably the same reasons as psuedonyms. I could easily call myself Robert Johnson, or EC. It may not be my real name, but I could get amusment out of the fact that after every post, I could say, "EC was Here".

Edit: I just remembered something. I think I was one of the first posters to remind people to remove their email address links from posts. It was one of the threads where someone had a hot schematic and everybody wanted it. It may have been Doug Hammond's H-Way 89. And most people left their email links up.

Just remember, not everyone who looks here on this forum is a registered member.

RickyDonVance

Just makes it easier to type me name.

Fret Wire,

I totally agree with you. Of course I understand what you were trying to say, but I was just joking, hence the smiley.... :wink:

Quote from: aron
Another issue is deletion of entire posts. When I started this new forum, I gave everyone the ability to edit their posts. This was so that you can fix annoying typos, not so that you can go crazy and delete entire posts that you decided to retract because you made a "bad post" and later decided to wipe out the entire post.

Aron, that's interesting point with two equally good sides. I'm not sure that's such a bad thing to be able to do that. If someone has a bad day or string of bad days, do they have to be reminded of it? I know it does preserve reality to keep a thread intact, warts and all. In real life, words are like bullets, hard to call back once you fire them off. If someone says something they feel they shouldnt have, maybe it's good to let them delete it. Most religions preach forgiveness, so maybe a poster doesn't need to have his off-moments preserved as an embarrassing reminder. Anything the matter with a deletion and a apology?

Would it serve the best interests of the Forum to leave it or delete it? If, for instance, Rodger Mayer visits and participates in a very helpful thread. Someone starts flaming him, and makes an ass of himself. A deletion and apology may be the best course, maybe Rodger doesnt come back because the thread was kept intact, and it angers him to see that everybody can see him get disrespected forever. Who Knows?

That very recent post that we are talking about got me curious. I've seen flame threads locked faster for less. And that person, for whatever reason, did wish to retract his statements and stop the thread from carrying on. There was really no new info there to be a benefit to the Forum. Usually You or Peter comes in, and locks it down, and in this case, the person in question, was requesting that it be locked down. I may be wrong, but I got the feeling that it was left unlocked so some members could give him a verbal slapdown that maybe was felt to be justified or warranted.

I don't know, just my 2 cents :D I've only participated in forums, and have no experience in their running or moderation. I've love to learn more from you and Peter on this.

Quote from: Arno van der HeijdenFret Wire,

I totally agree with you. Of course I understand what you were trying to say, but I was just joking, hence the smiley.... :wink:

lol!!  Does that mean I can't have your credit card numbers? :lol:  :lol:

I think you have a cool name, impressive sounding 8)  The image it conveys to me is that of a powerful person, who speaks with a deep voice, and everyone stops dead in their tracks like E.F. Hutton just spoke.

Regards,

Pete F....   If I tell you my whole name, I'll have to....make you listen to sampled rap music at 120db's. :lol:

I'd just like to take a moment to thank aron for maintaining, the forum, and keeping the archives arround so we can all reference back to them.

This site has been a valuable resource to me over the last year or so.  Also I'd like to thank everyone on the forum that particitpates in the asking and answering of questions.  I come from an electrical background, but my electronics knowlege is pretty basic to say the least.  Im pretty good at some things like engineering, and laying out parts in a box.  I can look at schematics, and usually tell what is going on pretty easilly, which is something i could not do a year and a half ago.  I try to answer questions, both here and on the HC formus as best i can.  Over on the HC forums people actually seem to think i 'know' what im talking about.  You guys here know better.:D

Quote from: Fret WireI think you have a cool name, impressive sounding 8)  The image it conveys to me is that of a powerful person, who speaks with a deep voice, and everyone stops dead in their tracks like E.F. Hutton just spoke.

Wow!! :oops:  I don't know who E.F. Hutton is, but this sounds good....

I'm only a 23 year old student, so not really a good guess.
I guess it's the "van der" part of my last name. It always seems to confuse English speaking people.... I can even make it more confusing by abbreviating it to v.d. and it will surely be mistaken for my middle names...

Quote from: Brian MarshallI'd just like to take a moment to thank aron for maintaining, the forum, and keeping the archives arround so we can all reference back to them.

This site has been a valuable resource to me over the last year or so.  Also I'd like to thank everyone on the forum that particitpates in the asking and answering of questions.

Thanks Brian for saying what I forgot to say in all my rambling :oops:

Fretwire wrote

QuoteIf you use proper internet etiquitte, and stick to basically pedals, all can be judged equally on the content of their posts, and their respect for one another. It really doesn't have to be deeper than that with this type of forum.

Thats makes a lot of sense to me. To be honest i really hate my posting name-jimbob--yeee haaa!! :lol: I dont even know where i got that. But I really didnt know what to expect from this place when I started so I didnt want to use any real info.

I do have to say I have been fortunate with those in this forum that ive traded with and ect.. Never got taken and everyone's been kind and polite to such a newbie at all this. It really turned out to be a great/addictive hobby. I hope one day I can give really give back like the big dogs here. But I have to say there might be a bad element here-like anywhere in the world- but I havnt came across them. A little silliness here and there though. No biggie.

And a big thanks to everyones help, honesty, adult behavior. I appreciate it.  

real name- james (jim) felix :P

Hey, this is my real name.  

Actually I'm using my Rap name, cause my real name is sort of boring and this whole virtual deal is sort of a fantasy anyway, so I'm using my fantasy name that ... well you know where it came from.

I love this place and think Aron will have to REALLY screw up to not end up in Heaven.  People need to be kind, there is enough BS in the real world and :lol:  I don't come here for that.  XCAPE  8)  :D  :oops:

Thanks to those that have taught me so much and Moutains of Joy to all.

Yes, I've had a few drinks.

For the record:

I do know Tom's real name. It's on his website. I didn't use it cause I assume when people use a pseudonym when posting, then that's the way they want to be refered to.

I become concerned when regular contributors to the forum disappear suddenly. I have a bit of a brotherly like affinity for most of you out there. I don't actually 'see' my real brothers either very often, but I still wonder how they are if I don't hear from them for a while.

Regards

RickyDonVance

yeh, good advice aron,
being 13, i still generally go by my old folks rule of keeping myself anonymous, but most of you have gained my trust so much that i usually sign my First name!  :o  
  Ill vouch for the fact i dont lye, but i also happen to be as useless as ever  :) ...

Quote from: Arno van der HeijdenI can even make it more confusing by abbreviating it to v.d. and it will surely be mistaken for my middle names...

ahhhh....here's some medical advice, don't abbreviate it to VD!  :D
A friend of mine who is a 'van' recently became father of a little girl.. some of us wanted them to call the baby "Kombi" but the mum wouldn't go for it.

Well.  I think Fret Wire pretty much hit the nail on the head.

Fret Wire your reading comprehension is excellent.  I wish everyone could follow your lead.  I mean I'm serious not being sarcastic.  God I swear sarcasm is killing the English language!  I can't figure out what anyone is saying or means anymore.

Even RG apparently went back and read my question again and made a suggestion or two and I clarified what I was saying.  So he apparently got it and I got what he was saying but some others apparently didn't get it and wanted to keep kicking the dead horse.  
So like Fret Wire said I tried desperatly to get Peter to remove the post cause I saw right away it was heading into bad waters and no good was gonna come out of it continuing.

I still can't figure out what was wrong with my initial question about the power supply.  I even said "please"  But nowadays Please doesn't mean the same I guess.  There is a sarcastic please and a genuine nice please.  Some people obviously had a chip on their shoulder and was ready to assume I mean the sarcastic please.

I think I had posted a simular question in the past and the GEO power supply always comes up.  And I have read that GEO article at least 10 times.  So instead of having the GEO thang come up again I nicely (I thought )  asked please don't refer me to that cause I already crossed that bridge and didn't want to go across it again.  I just wanted some help on the little simple idea I had.  Everything was totally innocent!  So I thought?  It would seem though that some people were just waiting for an excuse to jump on someone instead of being helpful.

I am still at a lose. :?:

For the ones who don`t know yet:EdJ=Ed de Jager

hey,
guys this is an intresting post i just wanna let you
know that i only use "EL DUDERINO" coz it from the movie
the big labowski, which is very funny and the name is kinda cheesy :D

anyway i always sign out with my real
name..

thanks
eamonn<<<<<< c!! 8)

I like to keep things on a first name basis.
Yes, David is my real first name.

I only use the edit function to correct spelling or grammatical errors, or maybe to make something more clear, but never to delete something embarassing or stupid. If I were to remove such things, then someone reading things from the archives wouldn't be able to see the flaws in my thinking at the time that I posted, and it would disrupt the continuity of the thread. I can take being wrong along with the rest.   :wink:

There are some here who don't use their full real name (like R.G.), but I sure am glad that some of those people visit here!  8)

Hey!
Maybe R.G. Keen is really D.B. Cooper!

Think about it. :wink:

RDV

Any web forum in the world is not ideal and perfect, but I believe this is the best

im so naive its rediculus.  Maybe its becuase i just do this for fun, and dont expect to make money off of it.  But why would people intentionally lie here?  I dont understand.  I might get something wrong here, but thats because im still learning.  And i use my name, becuase everyone else did.

QuoteWould it serve the best interests of the Forum to leave it or delete it?

Very, very good question.

What I do know is if people know that they cannot delete the posts, then they will probably be more careful about what they say.  I'm not pointing out one person, there are others that have gone back and deleted entire posts too. I remember reading one day and all I saw was a ton of deleted posts because that person was "upset" for some reason.

I agree that people using pseudonyms can be extremely helpful - maybe I just miss the times that we could really "thank" the people that really help us. It's great to thank "Mark Hammer" or "Jack Orman" or "R.G" instead of "Mr.Potentiometer" or something  :D

The other part I was mentioning was that please be careful who you enter into "trades" or other agreements. Please check their "history" in the forum before you make a decision on doing trades or purchasing things. There have a been (admittedly a small number) of reports of problems with certain people.

Anyway, thanks everyone for being here!!!!!  8)

Quote from: aron

QuoteWould it serve the best interests of the Forum to leave it or delete it?

Very, very good question.

What I do know is if people know that they cannot delete the posts, then they will probably be more careful about what they say. ...

In spite of the nastiness in "that" thread, there was some useful discussion too. I think somebody searching for that information might find something useful in there in the future, even with the scraps that are left. I don't like how it got out of hand a second time. I think as long as the noise level is kept at an absolute minimum it doesn't diminish the whole. It's easy for a reader to see where the sources and sinks are. The universe does have three degrees Kelvin of background noise.

I don't know if people would be more careful or not if they couldn't edit later. Most of the things I correct are words that made it past the spell check but shouldn't have been there anyway or a botched URL. I really appreciate the ability to edit. I think the delete mania sessions are more spur of the moment. I have seen things be highly out of control when a forum allows for the deleting of the entire message and not just the contents of there of. I think editability is a good medium.

I could always make a mod that would archive the message contents whenever a post was edited, but I don't know what it would accomplish in the end other than an audit trail for administration. If you want one I can put it on the to-do list. It should be fairly small.

Take care,
-Peter

PS: to steal Aron's line...

Anyway, thanks everyone for being here!!!!! 8)

nightingale is the name of the band i dedicate my life to, i chose the handle nightingale to get the name out there.. you never know who could be crusing the forum.. kind of ironic that i edited this post..lol!


i was ryanS on the old forum, and i still sign my real name every time i post.

i must admit, i like the "edit Post" funtion because if a better idea sparks.. or if i feel i can explain something easier to help someone.. i like to be able to change/edit  what i typed.. but it is pretty simple to jut "reply" again with the new imformation..

just for the record:
i am the type of person that would probably be a bit more careful when posting, if i new i could not edit/delete it..

just thought i would add my thoughts to the thread..

I've always used my name, including in the days of the pre-web lawless usenet news groups.

I personally believe that if you're ashamed to sign your name, you probably shouldn't write it down. 8-)

I'm Spartacus!

Well, really, Phillip's my first name...if you want to know my last name then you'll just have to venture over to Fuzz Central ;)  Besides, friends don't call each other by their last names! :)

Phillip

Quote from: phillipI'm Spartacus!

NO!, I'm Spartacus!

Couldn't resist :wink:

RDV

Quote from: RDVNO!, I'm Spartacus!

Couldn't resist :wink:

RDV

:D

Phillip

Quote from: Peter SnowbergI could always make a mod that would archive the message contents whenever a post was edited, but I don't know what it would accomplish in the end other than an audit trail for administration. If you want one I can put it on the to-do list. It should be fairly small.

Not too sure I like the sound of that Peter.  Do you meant that if I edit a post for typos or if I want to rephrase it so that my question/reply is more concise, the original (with mistakes/waffle) will appear in the archives?!

I remember a really bad sketch show a few years ago where they parodied that Spartacus scene.  Everyone stands up one by one and says "No, I'm Spartacus!" so the Roman turns to one of his subordinates and says "very well, execute them all!" to which they all turn round, point at this one bloke in the crowd and shout in unison "NO, HE'S SPARTACUS!!!"

Well, made me chuckle at the time...

Gez,

Oh no.... it would be an admin only file that would allow the forum admin (in his case Aron) to review edited posts to see what previous versions looked like. Nothing would be visible to the userbase.

I'm NOT Spartacus!  :P  

Take care,
-Peter (and yes, this is my real name)

It's Zener, really. 8)  My dad is in the electronics industry and he named me after the diode.

I don't know if the diode has some special bond to my father's mind. But at least, I like it because it's so unique that there's no other Zener here in my country other than me. (I hope nobody did came up  with the name after my dad did)

The overall kindness and helpfulness of this forum is being stained by a few dishonest individuals.

Is there a way to ban them from getting here? Has any users were banned for any violations or misconduct since this forum has started?

Banning people is a bad idea.  It is (and should remain) ridiculously easy to register, and so re-register.  Probably more important, a significant portion of those people who would be banned benefit from the atmosphere we all enjoy here.

Having no nonverbal cues allows for insane misunderstandings.  This is especially relevant considering the non-native English speakers and young people on the board.  Anyone recall Puretube's abbreviation? (Sorry) Maybe there's a better example out there, but I can't think of one at 6AM.

There are plenty of other reasons for someone to be offended, but these things always seem to slide on by on this forum.  Both the excellent moderation and the genial, mature nature of almost all of the people here contribute to that.

Then again, some people are just crazy:
http://petkohumenik.szm.sk/

Travis Green

Quote from: Peter SnowbergOh no.... it would be an admin only file that would allow the forum admin (in his case Aron) to review edited posts to see what previous versions looked like. Nothing would be visible to the userbase.

Thanks for clarifying that Peter.  I have no problem with this, but is it really necessary? (doesn't happen that much)

PS Gez is sort of my real name (it's what friends and family call me...amongst other things!)

Humm, maybe I should begin to edit my post...

Normally, I try to add a second post to correct the first one. It happens all the time  :(

Things don't always look the same on the monitor than in my head...

Aled is my real name and i play guitar for a punk band  :twisted:

As for editing posts for typos, when submitting a post i always click "preview" and read through the post before submitting it. Although tbh i don't think most ppl mind about a few typos in forums, as long as the content of the post is worthwhile . :lol:

I know that some message boards just put a time limit (say 5 minutes or 15 minutes or something) on post editing. Maybe that would solve the problem?

I'm not a fan of censorship.  Leave it be I say.

I do not shy away from my part in the "delete this" thread, but by the same token, I did manage to bring the guy back down to earth by the end. I blame it on the response conditioning I received at Usenet electronics groups.

I received flack from one person at one of these Usenet groups about my pseudonym.  He said I had no cred. because I was hiding my real name.

I cannot understand this for one second.  Why?

You want a real name?  How's Nick Minchin grab you.  Bill Laurie.  Alex White.  Shane Stevens.  Walter Richardson...  take your pick, I made them all up in 10 seconds.

Except for a couple, Nick Minchin is a politician in Australia and Bill Laurie is a cricket commentator, misspelled!!

I think it's pretty easy to spot the fakes, and you should take EVERYTHING you read on the net with a grain of salt anyways...

Just for the record, my REAL real name is Steve Marshall.  A quick google search on my moniker, and the third hit reveals my real name.  I ain't hiding from anyone!

Hi.

I think that thanks are due to most of the people posting above and especially Aron and Peter, for maintaining such as a good forum, AND providing an ethical framework for it.  Our self-censorship seems to work very well.    Excellent thread.  This stuff needs to be out there and discussed.

I think that the high level of respect on the forum and the relative lack of problems is remarkable given the range of people and amount of communication here.  It is a real credit to Aron and Peter (and us).  THANKS :D  :D  :D

One technical issue about editing posts: I'm sure that many of my old posts don't link to anywhere anymore.  When I update a schematic or PCB on my website, I create a new jpg and the old one is deleted.  It would be great if we could upload the jpg files (or would that overload your server?).  Updating the links doesn't really help because the new image is out of context with the text.

I persoanlly don't like the idea that people can edit their posts.  I believe people should stand behind the thigs they say.  Right or wrong.  I do think there are reasons a post should be deleted.  Having a mod that archives changed posts that only admins can access is a good idea I'd say.  

I would like to add though, that in a community of over 1000 people, there are only a very few bad apples.  Not a bad ratio by any means.

Usually, i just read through my post before i send it...
But i think that idea of samuels is a good one, having a time limit on how long you have to edit your post, so if you make a fatal error, you can quickly change it...

somtimes i mis-type my links and img and stuff like that, so i like to edit it...
I think that having edit is a must... it would be really frustrating to not be able to fix those kinds of errors.

My name is Leon Bruce... I choose Sic because it is latin for "Here" ... its something short for Sic Profundus... Here Lies...

Sic Profundus was used for epitaphs (tombstones)

I orignally had Sic Profundus De' Odium (Here Lies The Hatred) as a D&D dark elf necromancer a few years ago...

my e-mail addresss is Odiopopulis AT hotmail DOT com

odiopopulis is latin for "I hate people" (loose translation)

I never concidered that people wouldn't give you "cred" for having a screen name...

Do you realize how many people in the world have the same name?
If we all used our real names and nothing else, there would only be a certain amount of people allowed, which in, and of itself, would really defeat the purpose of having a diverse crowd of people pooling their information and knowlege...

just my 2cents

First, I will verify that RG Keen *does* use his real name.  I've known him as RG since 1990.  The acceptance of mere initials as a 'name' is one of those "Texas things" that, quite frankly, I don't pretend to understand, but I just accept (I have a buddy from Tennessee who was christened "Bobby", and always has been "Bobby" but folks write to him as "Dr. Robert..." because they can't bring themselves to call him something that feels so familiar.).  I still feel a mischievious desire to refer to RG as "Commander" Keen, in reference to one of my favourite platform adventure games from the old DOS shareware days. :lol:

Unfortunately, at least some of the handles are forced upon people because they can't use their actual name within a given service.  There are pl;enty of things I've tried to register for where attempts to use "mhammer" as a login ID fail because it is already taken. Of course, once you can't use your real name, or some contracted version of it, all bets are off, so one's natural inclination is to opt for something outrageous enough to be easily remembered...mostly by yourself.

Other than the ever-present "anonymous" over atAmpage, my chief gripe about handles and non-use of names is that good threads should feel like conversations, and I have a difficult time incorporating "It's a bit like shlong48 said, although if you look at fnrgg821's mods to a-oogah's circuit..." into a thread/posting and making it feel like a conversation.  Having said that, I do appreciate those of you who make a point of signing postings with an actual name when the handle is a little wacko or tongue-in-cheek.  It does make life easier and allows me to treat you as real people with solid ideas, rather than merely sources of text.  I get to respect you as opposed to just reading you.  Personally, I *like* respecting folks.

I started a thread on anonymity and net behaviour over at the Ampage open forum a few months back, that was originally prompted by a radio conversation I heard with Stewart Brand, one of the people behind the Whole Earth Catalogue, "The Well" in the SF area (the first on-line community), and one of the forces behind http://www.longbets.org/ (a VERY nifty idea and site, check the current featured debate between Brand and Brian Eno) among many many other things.  His main contention was that anonymity tended to bring out the worst in people in an on-line environment, and I tend to agree with him.

I don't have a problem with using my real name, I just enjouy the "handle" thing that the internet provides, kinda like the 'ol CB craze back in the day.

My name is Brad Burt, I like to use "RedHouse" as my 'nym.

I used to use "Bradster" but someone else started posting with that 'nym (on other forums) and the person was being quite mean and getting into spats with folks, so I chose the 'nym "RedHouse" as nobody was using that.
(it's my favorite Hendrix blues tune)

Redhouse, don't worry about your handle. It's the content of your posts, and how you carry yourself, that matters. Check the member list, over 3/4 use psuedonyms. As I pointed out earlier in the thread, there are many reasons one may or may not use their real name. Other than one person's slight that we all must be ashamed of what we write, no one has touched upon the various reasons to use a handle other than to offer apologetic explanations. No need, this is DIY Pedal Forum, simple as that.

Some here are respected completely, others just for their pedal expertise. As always, those that want respect must command it. This still the internet, with all the good and bad that goes with it. Proper interaction between people in person should carry over to the moniter, not visa versa, if you think about it. Some people may have become too dependant on talking through keyboards. But, one good thunderstorm is all it takes, and your back to dealing with people in person. A scary prospect for some out there, apparently.

One form of editing that no one touched on is the quote function. It's basically used for two things. One, to pull something of interest out of a longer post to question or comment on. The other is to quote out of context to bolster a point of view or serve an agenda. We're all guilty of this. The media does it all the time. Personally, I like it. It's nice to be able to pull a value or spec number out of a long post for further discussion. Very valuable. Think about it when you sub-quote this post.

As far as the poorer uses of the quotes, when you find yourself in someone else's small world arguing or justifying yourself, it's time to take a break. Life is too short for small people and their small thinking. Pedals are like money, there'll be no extra room in the coffin for either when it's time. No need to get too exited about it compared to the larger scheme of things in life.

Don't have to worry about me, I can't figure out how to edit, I'm a guitar player.

QuoteOther than one person's slight that we all must be ashamed of what we write,

QuoteThe other is to quote out of context to bolster a point of view or serve an agenda. We're all guilty of this. The media does it all the time. Personally, I like it.

Interesting juxtaposition, I thought.

If you happened to be referring to my prior post, you might want to read it again and think about what it really said.

If not, it's still an interesting juxtaposition.  :)

Quote from: WGThickPresenceHey, this is my real name.  



I love this place and think Aron will have to REALLY screw up to not end up in Heaven.  People need to be kind, there is enough BS in the real world and :lol:  I don't come here for that.  XCAPE  8)  :D  :oops:

Thanks to those that have taught me so much and Moutains of Joy to all.

Yes, I've had a few drinks.

I totally agree with this statement, effects are not my business so I see no reel point to using my real name, besides the fact that i'm mostly using this forum as I "unwind" from a day of warehousing hi-voltage power supply parts and equipment, so i probably have a few beers in me, and one should not be tinkering with electricity if one is impared, then again i have made a few posts that i was embarrased of! re-reading them afterwards, they seem a tad on the mean side, even though they were not meant to be mean I quickly ADDED a post to appologize, leaving the "offensive" post to be re-viewed by all.
I figure you can't change the past, just learn from it!
except for a few obvious members i would imagine you should gather up every ones imput on your questions and then find out on your own what works and what does'nt, there has to be more than one right answer to every problem, it's just up to the EXPERIMENTER to figure out how and why, besides there are many excellent experiMENTORs available to everyone here! it's such a beautiful thing! thanx aron and pete.
my last name is sodemann
another reason why I don't use it!

:x
see i made a slight error:
when i said "except for a few obvious members"
I meant the members that have MORE than proven their comprehension of how and why every thing works!
    -matthias

Tony Forestiere

My real  8) name!!!
1/2 Sicilian, 1/4 Hungarian, 1/4 Heinz 57, WITH a french surname! Born in Cleveland, Ohio; been in Virginia since 1976 (and love it here!).

These posts make me want to recite Shakespeare,

"What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

Ok. Ok. I'll stop there. The point is this forum is an amazing place to learn about effects building , but it  is a bit of theater as well, and everyone can play a part. I enjoy the pseudonyms, it seems like just a bit of fun to me.
Of course caution should be observed when dealing on a personal level anywhere.

But this seems like, Much Ado About Nothing. :D Sorry I couldn't resist.

RG, that was your post I was refering to. I mentioned it in passing to another formite, because, while it was of no consequence to me, it obviously was to many members, who subsequently posted and felt the need to explain or apologize for their psuedonyms. Your "voice" is highly respected on this forum. And in that context, such a simple, but sweeping statement, was going to be taken as a condemnation of sorts for those who use psuedonyms. And the ensuing posts did show that to be true. You can't be naive enough to think it would be taken otherwise. Of course you could expand upon it directly as it relates to the members who use psuedonyms, and that would be clarified. Or not. I believe I read it well enough.

On to quotes: Here's what I wrote:

Quote from: Fret Wire
One form of editing that no one touched on is the quote function. It's basically used for two things. One, to pull something of interest out of a longer post to question or comment on. The other is to quote out of context to bolster a point of view or serve an agenda. We're all guilty of this. The media does it all the time. Personally, I like it. It's nice to be able to pull a value or spec number out of a long post for further discussion. Very valuable. Think about it when you sub-quote this post.

Here's how you sub-quoted me:

QuoteQuote:
The other is to quote out of context to bolster a point of view or serve an agenda. We're all guilty of this. The media does it all the time. Personally, I like it.

Quote from: RGInteresting juxtaposition, I thought.

Interesting yes, but it's your juxtaposition :)

I brought up the quote function to hear other's ideas on the topic. There was no ensuing discussion, but you did give us a live-fire demonstration on quoting out of context! I pointed out that there are two basic uses of the quote function. By leaving the beginning of my paragraph off, and ending it on, "personally, I like it", you quoted me out of context to give the impression that I enjoyed misquoting people. Hence, your juxtaposition became my apparent one.

All in good fun, though. :twisted:  I have an evil sense of humor also. In a paragraph about quoting, I could have easily wrote that one line differently, but couldn't resist leaving it there, as well as the line about sub-quoting me. One line begs to be quoted out of context, while the other gives slight trepidation to those who might. This is still more enjoyable than OT's about politics or religion.  :wink:

First I thought to use some kind of a nick-name to cover up my Slavic background and long, hard-to-read (forget the pronounce) name.
However, the forum is friendly, and most of the people that are here are cooperatively-tuned, so to say, rather than want to argue with you about matters of doubtful relevance, as it happens at many other forums.

On the question of degrees of control over the users of the forum.
*bare(bear/beer/bore) with my English. :)
I used to moderate a few forums in the past, when I had a night shift job as a security guard. Here are some observations, done over the course of almost 2 yrs.

Most of the internet forums, have 4 distinct stages of development-extinction.
1) few people that share same ideas and came to know each other very well. Later those become the main contributors to forum.
2) more people register. They come to know each other very well too, but come from different backgrounds, thus some disagreements start to show. Most visitors still contribute to forum and forum is still quite uniform in it's content anddedication.
3)many many people, a sufficient portion of which just reads the postings and cointributes very little/nothing to the forum. At this stage forum is more of a playground for people who are bored/pissed/angry, rather than an internet meeting-talking place. This phase is also characterised by many irrelevant or insulting post by anonimous or unknown users.
4) Formation of groups within the forum. Normally this leads to segmentation ofthe original forum.
I beleive that our forum is shiftin into stage 3) right now. At the time of writing of this post there's a 1561  :shock: registered user on this forum. I know that this community expands worlwide, still, this is a HUGE numberto have control over. Even more so to give freedoms to edit their posts to. The word is not a bird, as we say in Russia. If you let it out, there's nothing to hold back after. (Crude translation of a proverb).
Humans tend to value apologies more than the deleted post, so I'm pro-truth, rather than pro-peace here.  :twisted:
I know that this is a "special" forum in a way. Not that it has to take a school-bus, but it is dedicated to a very limited and narrow topic. Thus we may imagine that people who communicate here are already united by some common goal that may prevent arguments and misunderstandings. However, the things we discuss have a monetary potential for some, while present sheer pleasure and musical advantage to others. I guess this is why people have to be deprived of a right to edit-delete posts. There should be a proof to something said and done. After all, I never saw a deleted post at AMPAGE. And they had a WAY WORSE monkeys-throwing-feces-at-each-other ritual over some "forbidden" schematics there. That topic is still there. I guess the author doesn't feel sorry for what he said. However it can serve as a lesson towards the ethics of the forum. An exaple of how NOT to communicate.

In any case, this was not meant to be a finger-pointing enertainment.
I do like this place, I became what I am in music electronics largely because of it and I feel thankful.
Let's keep it polite, friendly and together.
Happy builds to all. :D
Constantin Necrasov

Quote from: Constantin NecrasovFirst I thought to use some kind of a nick-name to cover up my Slavic background and long, hard-to-read (forget the pronounce) name.
On the question of degrees of control over the users of the forum.
*bare(bear/beer/bore) with my English. :)
The word is not a bird, as we say in Russia. If you let it out, there's nothing to hold back after. (Crude translation of a proverb).

Man, if english is your 2nd language, then you must speak the holy living crap out of Russian!

BTW, anybody ever tell you that you look a bit like Todd Park Mohr  of "Big Head Todd & the Monsters"? I could see you doing 'Broken Hearted Savior'.

Yes, people have told me I look like "Meatloaf", but I think they mean the dish, rather than the artist.

Regards

RDV

In my early days of music-listening I listened to Sum 41 or something similar for yonks thinking it was Blink 182.... Guess I was wrong :P

My reason for using a semi-pseudonym is because
A) I don't like people calling my folks at night telling them that I done something wrong or whatever
B) It looks cool
C) I use this name for everything, and have done so for the past three years
D) What's in a name? ;) :mrgreen: What he said.... haha lol :mrgreen:

Sorry getting carried away here....

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to restrain freedom of expressin oneself here.
Use whatever names-nicks-pseudonims you want.
It's the ethics of the forum that need to be strictly enforced.
It won't be for at least another 50 yrs, before government will be able to fully control the internet, so let's have fun before they do! :)

troubledtom is used by my close friends, it's my stage name and my bizz name. my site tells all about me, www.troubledvariance.com .
  i just got in from the florida concert in panam city .
ps: i sign all my pedals w/ my ' real ' name.
          - tom