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Title: Wierd Tone CTRL - what's the topology?
Post by: Dave Z on June 07, 2004, 12:59:54 PM
Screamer-type circuit but only 2 lugs of a 50K pot used.

Lug to ground goes through a 3 K resistor (minimum resistance) and a 100K trimpot "harmonics".

As you turn UP harmonics, resistance to ground INCREASES.
As you turn UP Tone (brighter), resistance to ground DECREASES

Go figure!

Also, there is a 1N4148 diode hanging off this circuit as well

Since caps block DC I am assuming the capacitor is in series before the tone pot..so this is not at all like a typical screamer tone control!
Title: Wierd Tone CTRL - what's the topology?
Post by: puretube on June 07, 2004, 02:59:09 PM
:?:
Title: Wierd Tone CTRL - what's the topology?
Post by: RDV on June 07, 2004, 03:13:48 PM
:?:  :?:

Give us a hint, eh?

RDV
Title: Wierd Tone CTRL - what's the topology?
Post by: puretube on June 07, 2004, 03:21:08 PM
twin-T involved?
Title: Wierd Tone CTRL - what's the topology?
Post by: smoguzbenjamin on June 07, 2004, 03:25:43 PM
Uh... what exactly is it you want to know? Do you want advice or is this a contest?  :?:
Title: No this is not a contest...
Post by: Dave Z on June 07, 2004, 05:10:59 PM
I am trying to figure out how the heck this thing works.

It's my Barber Direct Drive...I like the pedal & I'll be keeping it and will buy more Barber stuff in the future as I like his attitude (labels his components, has tweaks on his website for his stuff, vs Fuller who epoxies everything down & sands off component labels!)

Not trying to clone it but am building a SOS and since his design is an SOS-type, would like to incorporate his tone ctrl...it is a lot more effective than the one on another booteek pedal I have (which turns the signal immediately to mud!)
Title: Wierd Tone CTRL - what's the topology?
Post by: brett on June 08, 2004, 04:32:50 AM
Wild guess, but if you had the trimpot and pot as two resistors in a "T" and the cap as the stem (and DC decoupler) in the feedback loop of an op-amp, you might be able to get the kind of interactions you mention.  I seem to recall that the BluesBreaker had some funny (but not tunable)filtering in its feedback loop.  (LOVE the BB - a much under-rated pedal IMO)

But if you really want an answer you'll have to tell us a lot more about how this is connected.

cheers
Title: Wierd Tone CTRL - what's the topology?
Post by: Dave Z on June 08, 2004, 10:10:55 AM
Hi Brett -- "But if you really want an answer you'll have to tell us a lot more about how this is connected" yes, I understand..I was hoping it was a well-known circuit design and someone would ID it, but it looks like it may be fairly obscure. Hard to trace, as I'n not ripping the board out - that would be a major hassle.

I'll poke around a bit more tonight.
Title: Wierd Tone CTRL - what's the topology?
Post by: puretube on July 07, 2004, 10:14:09 AM
bump
Title: Wierd Tone CTRL - what's the topology?
Post by: Dave Z on July 07, 2004, 06:17:21 PM
Well...I gave up on figuring out the Barber...after I got my SOS done, and applied a few tweaks, it sounded better than the Barber so I sold the Barber. Maybe I got lucky but that SOS has some mojo...I added a mod that can give it the same kind of tweakability as the DD-SS (though in a different way) and the clarity is much better.

Still appreciate Barber's philosophy & will probably buy more of his stuff.