link from Poland:
has been removed....
Wow! What a collection. I have seen a few of these before, though.
http://tremolo.elektroda.net/tematykanf.php?adres=Efekty&plik=Efekty/4xOverdrive.gif#schemat
http://tremolo.elektroda.net/tematykanf.php?adres=Efekty&plik=Efekty/JFET%20DOUBLER.gif#schemat
http://tremolo.elektroda.net/tematykanf.php?adres=Efekty&plik=Efekty/Slow%20Finger.gif#schemat
http://tremolo.elektroda.net/tematykanf.php?adres=Efekty&plik=Efekty/Fetmuff2.gif#schemat
Very complete for a collection.
That is the High Gain Overdriviest looking Tremolo schematic I've ever seen..lol.
Most of it looks like a mirror image of other familiar places too.
pretty nice collection. however.....RG might have something to say about the JFET doubler...foundon the website......
Han
There's not much I can say, not that I haven't tried.
The state of law in general in Russia is such that the guy's effectively immune to anything I could do to him. If he were in any copyright respecting country, he'd already have legal action started against him. In the US, for instance, the DMCA provides for damages of up to $100,000 for a *first* *non-commercial* infringement, irrespective of actual damages. In Europe the monetary damages are different, but they're legally agressive about supporting them.
There are other Russian collections of schematics with essentially nothing in them except the schematics, some to many of which are my work. The Russian authorities refuse to do anything about them - presumably because they have better things to do than support copyright laws.
Sad but true. I have to assume that anything I want not infringed has to stay off the web. That's one reason that the PCB Layout book is hard copy only. If it were in electronic form, it would be posted on the pirate sites semi-instantly. There's a lot of other stuff that I just don't bother to post because it actually has some value, and would be like scattering feathers in the wind to post it.
I realize that this flies in the face of people who think information is and should be free. Sorry - it's the way the world currently is. If you have a problem with that, (a) create something really new interesting and useful and then (b) post it on the web. Experience with do the normal teaching job for you.
Sorry - Poland, not Russia. Same line of approach. There's another such site in the ex-Czechoslovakia, same conditions.
Czechia and Poland belong to the European Union since May 1st. ...
(so it`s probably illegal there now, too.)
-removed the link-
Hmmm, yeah, isn't respect for intellectual property something of a requirement for EU membership?
Ben
Amazing collection of schematics...
I guess these are the pro's and con's of making schems... just put copywrights on them, I guess!
-Colin
Hahahaha, when I first read this thread, I thought it said, "Nice! Schematics connection has violated copywright laws!" In reference to the site that sells all of the schematics, and that it was good because they weren't free or something. Took me a bit to figure it out!
-Colin
P.S.-"If you are viewing this on any other site than geofex.com please contact my lawyer, he needs the work"
AWESOME :D
Classic!
-Colin
QuoteThat's one reason that the PCB Layout book is hard copy only.
to all those that didn't get it yet: DO. It's worth it. The only reason it's been sitting on my scanner is my desk-space being to cluttered to store it temporarily. ;)
I guess we need to find the link to where he stole the weird Russian circuits and stuff so we can all build the Kaczka(ruska-prosta) fuzz.
I second Mikes opinion.It is a great book!
Ed
QuoteI realize that this flies in the face of people who think information is and should be free.
"Phase, amplitude and frequency within an analog circuit can be manipulated, for instance, through the use of diodes, transistors, inductors and capacitors acting alone or arranged in various combinations. Further, the degree to which this is true is well understood and documented. It can be calculated with reasonable accuracy. In that these factors can be calculated, the results might be novel, even ingenious but they are not technically unique. Not trivial, not mundane, but not unique.
So, while the non-technical and interested party may view the activity and results of component selection as one of discovery and creativity, the engineer sees it as simply a calculation successfully executed â€" one that verifies a known relationship.
Because this is true, no “protection†is deserved, indeed, it is not owed nor should it be sought on any grounds insofar as we are talking about the technical fundamentals of the “circuitâ€.
Of course, this is a position viewed solely from the technical perspective."
This above quote I stole and give no credit for.
QuoteI realize that this flies in the face of people who think information is and should be free. Sorry - it's the way the world currently is. If you have a problem with that, (a) create something really new interesting and useful and then (b) post it on the web. Experience with do the normal teaching job for you.
Gosh RG why don't YOU put out a commercial product and sit back while the scematic gets posted all over?
RG I thought you were all about taking someone elses interesting and useful ideas and posting them on the web?
Well guess what else? The way the world is is that in Russia they don't have the time to deal with the bullshit that is IP.
It is called real problems in a real world.
I realize that flies in the face of those that feel they should own and profit from every little scrap of information and idea they may get struck with.
Sorry- It's the way the world currently is. If you have a problem with that, (a) Suck it up, (b) Keep on crying about it.
Sorry RG it is nothing personal I just don't care to sit aside and pretend I agree with this community at large just to get a little help.
I'd rather be truthful and honest to who I am and call bullshit when I see it.
RG really sorry for you that we have not made the entire world a police state so that you can relax a bit and your precious knowledge (that I take it was educated to you...or was it osmossis?) will be safe.
Yes more control!!! MORE CONTROL!!!! Control is safety, control is safety.
War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength!
@#$%ing Pinko Commis!!!! :D :D :D :D :D
I really think some of you engineer types ought to get some fresh air, real sunshine (nice lab tan though) and maybe see a doctor about getting a healthy does of "GET OVER YOURSELF."
But truth is I own your book. It is a great read, has helped a lot, I own a scanner but will not ever even think about putting on the web.
Not sure what you should make of that fact but I find it interesting to note.
Quote from: Mike Burgundy
to all those that didn't get it yet: DO. It's worth it. The only reason it's been sitting on my scanner is my desk-space being to cluttered to store it temporarily. ;)
I've wanted RG's book for some time, and I tried, but couldn't register on GEO, or find an email address.
Dan N - Kaczka(ruska-prosta) is in Polish for duck(Russian - simple) duck is slang for wah, no fuzz there.... but yeath, lets build it!
BillyJ - and exactly how would you feel if someone [from Russia or Poland or the Czech Republic] put up a site with oh... say - you having sex? and let's say all your friends get a link. And when you complain someone tells you "GET OVER YOURSELF". Huh???
[sorry if you got offended - I just couldn't help myself, and since we're getting into sarcasm and friends....] :mrgreen:
And don't tell me every bit on your PC is legal !!!
Athin:
We are not getting into sarcasm and friends. We are getting into the theft of intellectual property. Make no mistake. This is not sarcasm, this is not friendship, this is not legal.
David : yeath - exactly - [though I actually try and help my firends, even if it means giving them >>THE<< CD for one day :D ]. Maybe we/me/whoever misunderstood each other/something:
BillyJ said - people steal intellectual property [cuz it's easy]. the world is just like that. You either screw it or cry over it.
I said - and what if the world gangs up on you? @ least try and change it!
oh - and you better get down to making boxes and not reading posts on the forum!!!
Athin:
It is clear that you understood me. It is possible that I misunderstood you. To me, your last post means that you believe that there is nothing wrong with stealing intellectual property because it is easy to do so and someone who has had intellectual property stolen should just cry about it, and that I and all other members of this forum should just be quiet, build circuits and not read posts about the theft of intellectual property.
I am not trying to start a fight or a flame war. I want you to tell us, right here and right now, whether you approve of the theft of intellectual property or not.
David, not to speak for Athin, but re-read his post, and the post that prompted his response. It didn't sound to me like Athin thinks IP should be free to anyone.
I did say that it was possible I misunderstood.
Quote from: DavidI am not trying to start a fight or a flame war. I want you to tell us, right here and right now, whether you approve of the theft of intellectual property or not.
Yes, you did say that, then you made the above demand. Rather strong don't you think? I think the first page has the post you're really looking for. :wink:
hmmm..... we all build our own ts-9's, rat's, dist+'s etc etc...
not our design now is it? we all copy here, so what's all the fuzz :wink: about?
i sense a little hypocracy here....am i wrong???
Quote"Phase, amplitude and frequency within an analog circuit can be manipulated, for instance, through the use of diodes, transistors, inductors and capacitors
and tubes 8)
QuoteFurther, the degree to which this is true is well understood and documented. It can be calculated with reasonable accuracy
yes, the degree of how far to go astray from known circuits is known and calculateble,
but the
how and
why of some novel circuits, that coulda been
designed over 60 years ago (should I say: 80 years ago?),
but have not been designed by the "know-it-alls",
are a different animal....
the invention of the tube by (type your name here...)
doesn`t say, he can de-tick a "zombie"-chorus...
OTOH, this thread`s content is more about a copyright-issue,
not "inventions"
QuoteBillyJ - and exactly how would you feel if someone [from Russia or Poland or the Czech Republic] put up a site with oh... say - you having sex? and let's say all your friends get a link. And when you complain someone tells you "GET OVER YOURSELF". Huh???
I'd love it. If I had a clip I'd send it your way. My friends would be the first to the the link. :P
I am a pirate and shameless. Now what?
How about this. Tomorrow a law is passed making most of what is on RG site and here illegal by the new definition of IP law?
There is ethics and law. One is up to the individual to put into action, the other is for the victim. If the victim has no real re-course because of whatever reason they for them to continue complaining is just crying "poor me" out in the rain.
RG had some sarcasm directled at those that would disagree with his views, I had some directed at some I think are a bit full of law and ethics.
I still feel that to have a site with schematics of pedals is unethical.
Like I said I am a pirate so I couldn't care less.
What IS funny is how RG and a mess of you will run a little game to be pirates AND claim it ethical.
Just cause it is legal does not make it ethical.
Personaly if you write up a diagram of ANYONE elses circuits and post it to the web I feel you have done your best to show a lack of ethics or at least a creative way of pretending you do.
I guess since law is written and ethics is this ethereal presence it isn't up to me or anyone else to say what exactly is or isn't ethical.
I know how I feel about them and what use they have.
But this arguement is about as useful as IP law in Russia. :lol:
QuoteI am not trying to start a fight or a flame war. I want you to tell us, right here and right now, whether you approve of the theft of intellectual property or not.
I do not approve of the law that makes it illegal. It serves to fill the coffers of lawyers and the ilk of people that use them to waste our criminal system and MY and YOUR taxpaying dollars.
The law also serves to keep information from the world, this slows down the progresson of the human race, that is a crime.
Laws that are crimes within themselves should not exist. But they do.
Like I said to bad for RG that the entire world isn't under the same thumb.
Go vote for world domination and and one world order and then you all can sleep at night knowing your IP is safe.
As long as IP doesn't soon cover a schematic then you all are happy.
If people like RG and his big bad lawyers have their way it will come to that.
So keep on fighting that good fight RG and others till you see that in a 30 years or less you have helped @#$% the world over and keep everyone in the dark ages.
Sooner or later there will be somehting discovered in the world that could have the potential to save the world. It will be sold to AT&T and your childrens children will die of cancer at age seven because they decided it was their IP and they are gonna hold out till things are really bad and then cash in.
You know what? F*&% that law, and same goes to all you people that think you deserve to own anything.
I think the world owes us all one thing, a grave, not money power welth and IP.
Go stick your IP where some TP can do it some help.
Well whatever I know that everyone here is smarter and such things do not lie in wait for the world.
Bullshit, IP and lawyers and egotistical engineers will ruin the world, that is a promise.
It is a form of supression, and therefore oppresion, and therefore it sucks!
Whatever that is the way I see it, no one wil change my views that these laws are more harmful than good.
I think that law is unethical.
Unethical laws should be ignored until they are impotent.
Russia (or was it Poland...LMAO!) is a good example of how that works.
:P :lol: :D :wink: :twisted:
Da! Is good , no? :P
Quoteand tubes
Damn I love your style puretube!!
QuoteQuote:
Further, the degree to which this is true is well understood and documented. It can be calculated with reasonable accuracy
yes, the degree of how far to go astray from known circuits is known and calculateble,
but the how and why of some novel circuits, that coulda been
designed over 60 years ago (should I say: 80 years ago?),
but have not been designed by the "know-it-alls",
are a different animal....
the invention of the tube by (type your name here...)
doesn`t say, he can de-tick a "zombie"-chorus...
OTOH, this thread`s content is more about a copyright-issue,
not "inventions"
LOL known circuits? WOuld be a tube zipper...oh wait no you would pitch a fit if I posta schematic for that. Under the guise of ethics though not any law.
Will it be 60-80 years before your circuits are known?
Too long a time if you ask me.
Um I think this thread is about the ethics bag too.
Like I said I like your style and think your all class.
However I think you griping the ethics thing to protect one of your circuits schematics being posted ina perfectly legal manner is less than admirable.
You should be big enough to take the lumps without a hitch. It is legal right? Why complain? Why not vote for more laws instead or just not interfear with the legal posting of a schematic.
Seems to me that the "know it alls" want to keep on knowing it ALL.
:wink:
Sorry but it seems unfair and unethical to stand in the way of anything legal.
Like stopping me from having a demostration in the park when I have my permits in hand.
Aron, Peter:
sorry to have to ask;
I thought I had posted a nice link
(for all, without any back-thoughts). :oops:
I found out it infringes some people`s
interests.
I removed the link
(that I googled up being amongst the first ten of
68000 others, looking for information about a commercial
pedal...);
PLEASE LOCK THIS THREAD :cry:
:( Things are sooo different (or used to be, but maybe still somewhat are) at the other side of "iron curtain"
Of course it is easier for me to understand because I live very near the border. Things are to chance, some good some bad
But just wondered what R.G. really meant. I think he has very good reason to be allowed to say his opinion. And what is for more value: His site with tons of original work and free info he has put together himself, or site with tons of nice circuits "free" but mostly just copied
Anyway thanks for posting that link, believe those who put it together did not mean any harm maybe but must learn to think all sides
Quote from: BillyJ
Like I said I like your style and think your all class.
ahhh, thank you, I needed that....
the Tube Zipper coulda been invented 60 years ago by the "know-it-alls";
it hasn`t been so;
For those, who are really able to "google",
they coulda found the basic circuit since 1996 including
component values and the how and why.....
those who find it, they will see,
that it`s not the values (I allow+/- 100% deviation),
but the "how" -even the patent office hasn`t found
anything comparable -
but: the copyright (not the know-how, which has been published by me....)
of the schem one may find, is in other hands...
BTW: it takes about 12 seconds to hand-draw the basic schem...[/quote]
Quote from: Nasse: believe those who put it together did not mean any harm maybe but must learn to think all sides
my opinion, too - but I didn`t think far enough when I posted it . sorry
I'm always sorry to see a thread end this way, but so be it. It started out so nice. Thanks for trying Ton! 8)
This thread has been closed at the request of its originator, Puretube.