Advice pedal for classic rock like GNR, Def leppard, 80's rock.
which pedal i should go for?
thx
BSIAB2 or the Runoffgroove Thor
The one you think'll sound good for that through your *amp, with your *guitar as source. [Better yet the one[s you tried with *them and like].
Many of 'them' used DIST+.
A couple 9V [or less] Mu amps like BSIAB has gets great sounding out of the box distortion, built separately is an option I like.
I use 1 or 2 single Mu Stages into one another or something else, to get nothing on it, light OD Boost, Distortion, Heavy Distortion on even the light notes, throw a tone section in there [A Jfet Mu has enough drive to push a simple TC and get above unity], voice the rest and have lots of tonal distortion options.
that pedal produces sound like plexi or bogner?
Well i believe that the BSIAB is more like a crankin' 18watts Marshalls, well at least that is what the description said
i see. could bsiab produces distortion like bogner xtsy?
Tube Screamer will do the trick. I use a TS808 clone through a JCM800 with a bunch of drive and get a sound pretty close to Angus Young (ACDC)
Isn't the dirty channel on an Ecstasy more or less a slightly tweaked hi input off a Marshall JCM800 anyway?
Quote from: Cardboard Tube Samurai on February 17, 2007, 06:22:01 PM
Tube Screamer will do the trick. I use a TS808 clone through a JCM800 with a bunch of drive and get a sound pretty close to Angus Young (ACDC)
though Young only uses two Marshall superleads with the volume at 5. All the balls come from his fingers :icon_razz:
Hate to tell you this but the Bogner extasy isn't exactly a classic rock amp! At least wasn't around when said rock wasn't yet "classic".
DOD od250 or a distortion+ into a marshall or slightly distoprted amp will get you there.
The BSIAB2 into a clean amp will get you there. As will the ROG Thor circuit.
Slash used marshall 25th aniversary jubille amps I believe.
John
Quote from: Basicaudio on February 17, 2007, 11:26:19 PM
Hate to tell you this but the Bogner extasy isn't exactly a classic rock amp! At least wasn't around when said rock wasn't yet "classic".
+1
so which one anybody recommended? :icon_biggrin:
Their are 4 or 5 recomendations already.
"BIASB2"
"Thor"
DOD OD250
Distortion+
Tubescreamer
Build those and get back to us.
John
ok thx. :D
Teddy
what kind of guitar and amp are you using?
If you've got a JCM800, you probably won't want a pre-amp emulator like a thor, coz you've already got the right pre-amp.
On the other hand, if you've got a weak SS pre-amp, you'll definately want a simulator.
Also, there's a huge difference between the ballsy Angus humbucker sound and the choir-boy Springsteen single coil tones that were both a big part of 1980s rock.
So maybe
explain your gear
explain the group or sound you are after
cheers
QuoteSo maybe
explain your gear
explain the group or sound you are after
cheers
Now that makes the most difference!
Just helping out...
Quote from: brett on February 18, 2007, 07:19:17 PM
explain the group or sound you are after
cheers
Quote from: teddybear on February 17, 2007, 09:43:18 AM
GNR, Def leppard
And somehow I presume he's not playing a dano. ;D
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Jimbo
Are GNR and Def Leppard one or two different setups.
I have a GNR CD somewhere, and thought that they had a much heavier sound than DL.
Didn't DL do that bubblegum-as-music "Sweet Home Alabama" song?
80s heavy metal/classic rock was pretty high in treble and slice your ears off at 100 yards...
Try the mxr distortion+, with a few small mods and an eq behind it you'll be rocking out in no time! Randy Rhoads (Ozzy Osbourne's guitarist) used one! :D
try the fuzz central liquid drive (i'm planning do build one, but before i wanna build a bassdrive)
QuoteDidn't DL do that bubblegum-as-music "Sweet Home Alabama" song?
....er no !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try lynard skynard !!!!!!
Difference is a car crash vs. a plane crash !!!!
Axeman.
I doubted myself when I read that comment about sweet home alabama being a def leopard song too... I didnt want to criticise in case I was wrong! hahahaha
but now I can...
so: HA!
:icon_eek: A car crash, plane crash, a different continent, and about 10 years' time difference, LOL! ;)
Ah, the good old days...
:icon_redface:
Note to self: engage brain before opening mouth.
sometimes need guitar ---- pedal --- di box --- mixer.
cause for easier for live gigs. ;)
thx
Quote from: teddybear on February 19, 2007, 11:48:23 PM
sometimes need guitar ---- pedal --- di box --- mixer.
cause for easier for live gigs. ;)
thx
DUDE! why didnt you say so?
SANSAMP GT2/CLASSIC.
END OF DISCUSSION.
gt-2 didn't satisfy me. the sound to sterile to me.
no waaaaaaay!
hmm...uh...classic?
classic?
but it's true. gt-2 sound different with bsiab2 or drivemaster(guv'nor).
for metal it's ok but for classic rock the dynamic so sterile.
till now still searching pedal.... :icon_lol:
I have two suggestions...................
if you want a classic rock sound first identify the artist / style / sound etc. then .......
1. use the same gear and learn how to play like them.
2. Cant believe I about about to say this but......get a POD or some other modelling gear and learn how to play like them.
you will note that learning how to play like the person who produces the sound you like occurs in both these answers.
There is no magic box that will make you sound like _____________ (insert name of favourite guitarist).
Classic rock was an era when some really good players made some really good music with the gear available to them.
Effects are great, don't get me wrong and it makes a real difference if you have got good ones, but they will not do the hard work for you !
End of rant !
Sorry !
May I respectfully suggest this is lounge fodder .
Axeman.
IMHO, go with (or start with) the BSIAB2. Hands down the most versatile pedal I've ever built. I gave mine to a friend that helped me out on a few things, so now I need to build another. It's so versatile that I'm thinking about building my new one in a larger box so I can have toggle (2nd footswitch) between two different gain and/or tone settings; the gain is one of the most versatile out there.
I still need to build the Plexizer and hear how that does on the Marshall Plexi tones.
- Buck
Quote...er no !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try lynard skynard !!!!!!
L-Y-N-Y-R-D S-K-Y-N-Y-R-D - That's how it's spelled.
Sweet Home Alabama-
Lead Guitar- Fender Stratocaster played through a Peavey Deuce. Ed King most of the playing on that track.
Rythmn- Gibson Les Paul and Gibson Firebird through Peavey Deuce amps. Guitarists Gary Rossington and Allen Collins respectively.
kids of reminds me of a discussion i had with a couple of fellow geargeeks awhile back. say you're in a 1980s rock/pop cover band. you can only have five pedals in your rig, what do you choose. extra points given for keeping all pedals "period correct," as in no pedals invented after the decade. i chose the following;
ProCo RAT>OD 250>Ibanez Analog Delay>EH Chorus>Boss Flanger
Then of course things got out of hand; reggea cover band, countrypolitan, 1990s grunge...fun i guess, when you've got nothing good to breadboard at the time.
I never thought of G'N'r and Def Leppard and 80's stuff as "classic" rock. Either my classic rock station is behind the times or I am, I guess. I like a fair amount of that stuff, I guess, I just put the "classic rock" period a little bit earlier. Oh well.
OT, i cant stand the classic rock station here in sacramento...
NOTHING BUT B-SIDES!!!!!
aerosmith every 20 minutes, and the stones every 3 songs. and plenty of kenny loggins/phil collins...
I CANT STAND IT ANY LONGER!
...the only radio i have now is a big tube radio cabinet thing, and only gets AM. i aint complaining, its got better music.
Quote from: sfr on February 20, 2007, 10:44:32 PM
I never thought of G'N'r and Def Leppard and 80's stuff as "classic" rock. Either my classic rock station is behind the times or I am, I guess. I like a fair amount of that stuff, I guess, I just put the "classic rock" period a little bit earlier. Oh well.
True, i i dont think GnR is a classic
Yup, Classic rock to my mind is anything from the late 60's through the 70's. How bout Boston, Eagles, Deep Purple, Zeppelin, Skynyrd, Doors, Hendrix, etc.
I think you're looking for more of a Big Hair sound, no ?
Chris
My take on what "classic rock" guitar tone sounds like or ought to sound like is probably way off, but gt tells me you want a tone that comes 60% from the amp and 40% from the pedal. In other words, the amp will provide a sort of edgy constant, and the pedal simply adds more "And I mean it!" to the tone.
If trhis is true then I would also suggest the simple diode-clippers like the OD250 or Distortion+, or perhaps a Muff Fuzz. All provide a modicum of clipping without being too severe, and exert a sort of "levelling" effect by virtue of the clipping which is nicely suited for solos.
As per previous suggestions, I think you'll want to mod the pedal in question. At the very least, you'll want to:
a) make the amount of bass remain unaffected by turning the gain up (double or triple the .047uf cap to ground),
b) allow for more output level so that the amp can be pushed into making its contribution (use Si diodes instead of Ge),
c) tame the treble by doubling the value of the cap in parallel with the clipping diodes.
All three combined will let you produce a tone with some "heft", switch back and forth between solo and chording without feeling the need to change the tone controls on the amp or guitar in order to make the switchover, and use the increased output to push the amp a little harder with a moderately coloured tone instead of a buzzy one.
I think it's kind of funnty to mention GNR and Def Leopard in the same sentence when trying to describe a sound. They're on completely opposite ends of the scale IMHO. GNR is a very raw and wild sound that obviously simply comes from cranking the heck out of a Marshall of some kind. The Def Leopard sound is that overprocessed overproduced (lifeless) sound that seems to come from a refrigerator sized rack och preamps, compressor choruses and whatnot, into another refrigerator sized rack of delays reverbs into a number of different poweramps and speaker cabinets (the kind of sound that seems to come out of all those multi-FX gizmos...)
;D
Quote from: 8mileshigh on February 22, 2007, 07:53:47 AM
Yup, Classic rock to my mind is anything from the late 60's through the 70's. How bout Boston, Eagles, Deep Purple, Zeppelin, Skynyrd, Doors, Hendrix, etc.
I think you're looking for more of a Big Hair sound, no ?
Chris
Chris, you just made me "dig out" some Skynyrd, followed by Boston and Kansas and a couple of
early Styx tracks ( before "Babe" and all that other crap ) ...... :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:
Great rock guitars on "Miss America" BTW
Pedal for that sound, possibly BSIAB or Highway '89 or ROG's Thor !
MM.
For classic rock you gotta start off with a tube amp, and some fingers. Once you've got that down, mess with different boosters and light overdrives.
For going into the board, I've had good luck recording TS type overdrive->compressor>Condor cab sim.
The 1rst 'box' I'd look into is one with really nice guitar speakers, the one with a really nice [small enough wattage so that it can be 'loaded' at 'certain volume].
Then I'd get a basic sound happnin' ...then I'd try to distort that sound more with a boost, OD, Boost>OD, Fuzz, OD>Fuzz etc. Mod all that and you're probably pretty close already...oh I almost forgot the guitar..lol
Ugh. No, not this, not that either, no amp, no sansamp, must have DI, and nail both GnR and Def Leppard... yet a sansamp ain't gonna cut it...
Ds1 and direct box is about all ya can do since you're painting yourself in a corner like this. You won't really nail the sound yer lookin for the way you want to do it, unless you're willing and able to design yourself something entirely new.
It's like asking how to win the indy 500 driving a volkswagon. Or instructions on how to fly by flapping your arms.
The sounds you're trying to imitate involve large, expensive, heavy gear. It's much easier to create a sound all your own. Especially without an amp. No matter how many ways you can think of to ask if there's a pedal that can save ya $10000.00 in quality gear, the only honest answer is going to be NO every time.
Quote from: d95err on February 22, 2007, 11:12:10 AM
I think it's kind of funnty to mention GNR and Def Leopard in the same sentence when trying to describe a sound. They're on completely opposite ends of the scale IMHO. GNR is a very raw and wild sound that obviously simply comes from cranking the heck out of a Marshall of some kind. The Def Leopard sound is that overprocessed overproduced (lifeless) sound that seems to come from a refrigerator sized rack och preamps, compressor choruses and whatnot, into another refrigerator sized rack of delays reverbs into a number of different poweramps and speaker cabinets (the kind of sound that seems to come out of all those multi-FX gizmos...)
;D
Right on brother!!!! I always hated Def Lep and their sterile wimpy guitar sound. To compare them to the raw tone of GNR is a crime to me. Just listen to the Def Lep song Photograph and then listen to Mr. Brownstone or anything else from Appetite For Destruction and see which tone you like better.
Dave
Quote from: teddybear on February 17, 2007, 09:43:18 AM
Advice pedal for classic rock like GNR, Def leppard, 80's rock.
which pedal i should go for?
thx
If it's 80's rock, then the ProCo Rat2 (http://www.tonefrenzy.com/sound_files/proco-rat.mp3) or an original Marshall Guv'nor (http://www.tonefrenzy.com/sound_files/marshall-guv.mp3) is the ticket. :-)
thx for the help.
thx a lot. ;D
which one is more marshall amp like bsiab or guvnor ar else?