was thinking a fuzz effect that may be neat would be this:
take a signal, split it 3 or 4 ways.
use a real short delay on each signal, all different times,but very short...chorus or flanging territory.
have each signal go thru a different fuzz, optimized for different frequencies...say, bass, mid, and treble...
kind of a fuzz chorus autowah (if it went bass, mid, then treble in terms of when each fuzz was heard).
if it had level controls, you could make it sound like you're playing fuzz guitar backwards, in real time...make each repeat louder than the previous one, maybe give
the illusion that it's sweeping upwards in tone and volume....
am i making any kinda sense here? it seems like it should be doable, and might sound pretty cool...kind of the sonic equivalent of
fuzzfuzzFUZZ
or you could make it so the bass is crunchy, the mid clean, the treble screaming, or whatever...
again, i'm a newbe...do you think something like this would be hard to implement?
would it sound cool? is it doable? is it worth trying?
could anyone reccomend a way to get a simple, single slap echo cheaply and easily?
man...so many questions, sorry, but i can kind of hear this thing in my head!!
a fuzz choral doubler pseudo wah?
or, even sicker, make another stage that pulls in an octave fuzz? ;)
Most of your ideas are all possible if you throw different effects in series / parallel with loops.
Putting it all in one circuit would make one hell of a loaded PCB.
(http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt137/pinkjimiphoton/idea.jpg)
i'm imagining the big thing would be getting a simple, small enough delay to make this all fit in a box. the fuzz tone controls could be trimmers...as could the delay time and mixer circuits?
may not be worth attempting, and yes, can do it with parallel loops...but i thought it would be cool in just one box.
Not exactly the same thing, but the Jaques Fuseblower does an interesting thing with distorting three ranges seperately. Its just an interesting distortion unit, but not doing any of the delay processed stuff you're thinking of.
Roger
hi rodgre,
thanks for the reply. i'm not really looking to do a traditional delay, more like i guess just a fast triplet, with each note of the triplet hitting it's own distortion...maybe 30ms or so max time. i'm thinking maybe there's a way to do that without too much real estate on the board. it's gonna take me years to figure it out on my own, that's for sure, that's why i posted the idea here, to see if anyone can figure out a way to do such a thing, if it's possible. it doesn't need to be hi fi, i'm imagining the simplest bbd kind of thing maybe?
pipe dreams...lol
Just find yourself an SDD3300, and run the 3 channels/effects in series. You can even program certain loops in or out. Works like a charm.
I've got one by the way, but it's not for sale. It sits faithfully in my rack... next to my autographed album of Nazareths Greatest Hits. Both of which will be buried with me.
Cheers,
Dino
now i'm jealous...lol..
no, no, it's gotta be something stupid simple, built into a small circuit IN the box. lol...
me, i'm taking my echoplex and my firebird, with me..
Maybe this as the output mixer?
(http://www.muzique.com/schem/mixer.gif)
Firebird? Hmmm, 400 small block? or 455 BB? Both keepers.
Quote from: pinkjimiphoton on April 05, 2011, 03:22:02 PM
(http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt137/pinkjimiphoton/idea.jpg)
i'm imagining the big thing would be getting a simple, small enough delay to make this all fit in a box. the fuzz tone controls could be trimmers...as could the delay time and mixer circuits?
may not be worth attempting, and yes, can do it with parallel loops...but i thought it would be cool in just one box.
This would be an usine à gaz... But why not ? It may be a revolution... I would be afraid of having a little too much hiss, though.
A+!
Quote from: digi2t on April 06, 2011, 10:37:47 AM
Maybe this as the output mixer?
(http://www.muzique.com/schem/mixer.gif)
Firebird? Hmmm, 400 small block? or 455 BB? Both keepers.
dude, exactly...that is what i mean, using either existing designs, or frankenstiening stuff together from fragments of different circuits.
well done!
now...as for the firebird...neither....1966 non reverse body gibson...
;)
(http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt137/pinkjimiphoton/etter.jpg)
Quote from: tubelectron on April 06, 2011, 10:44:12 AM
Quote from: pinkjimiphoton on April 05, 2011, 03:22:02 PM
(http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt137/pinkjimiphoton/idea.jpg)
i'm imagining the big thing would be getting a simple, small enough delay to make this all fit in a box. the fuzz tone controls could be trimmers...as could the delay time and mixer circuits?
may not be worth attempting, and yes, can do it with parallel loops...but i thought it would be cool in just one box.
This would be an usine à gaz... But why not ? It may be a revolution... I would be afraid of having a little too much hiss, though.
A+!
lol...you can still hear hiss? daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmn....i've been playing too long! ;)
just kidding...i'd imagine that if we used trim pots on the transistors in the fuzz units we could get them into a compromise between perfect fuzz and minimal noise..
or add a simple filter after the mixer stage...just a tone control, i bet it would have plenty of gain to drive a passive stack.
pipe dreams rule, don't they? :D
MAJOR DOAH!! on the Firebird.
Maybe this for the delay part;
(http://www.aronnelson.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7631&g2_serialNumber=2)
X 3 of course. Set at different times. Problem would be killing the dry signal, and getting just the repeats. I know there has to be an elegant way to do it, but it's not hitting me right now. Check this thread; http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=71129.0 (http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=71129.0), might do the trick. As for the buffer, I built this one into a bastardized Skyripper, and it works great;
(http://www.beavisaudio.com/techpages/Buffers/Buffer_clon.gif)
I'm pretty sure, with some careful planning, a 1590DD would hold everything. After breadboarding... of course.
now we're cookin'... why 3 delays tho? all we need is three repeats i think...three delays would obviously be the best in terms of versatility, but i'm thinking that it's overcomplcated as we don't need delay feedback in them, just one slap a piece....or, one delay with only three slaps.
i don't have the chops to do this, just an idea....would love to see it come to fruition via teamwork, tho... :thu:
Well, I was thinking 3 delays, each handling one effect. Guess I'm still thinking along the lines of my SDD3300. Otherwise, how do you "slap" the other effects? You keep one dry signal, kill the other 2, and stagger the times. All 3 will recieve the dry signal, but only one will output it, along with the following wet. By killing the dry to the 2 others, manipulating the delay time, only the wet repeats should follow. And with 3 delays, you can also pull one delay/effect out, play with the times, and ping-pong 2 of them. From what I understand, by varying one of the resistor values (the one above IC 2), you vary the volume between the wet and dry signals. I'd say, put a pot in here on each delay, and you could also vary the wey/dry signal from each delay/effect individually i.e. have one dry signal+delay, and the other 2 only wet signals follow in sequence.
Or, run three seperate outs to 3 amps a la Brian May. Now THERE'S a wall of sound!
Madness, I tell you, sheer madness. :icon_evil:
And here is the input buffer/splitter;
(http://www.beavisaudio.com/projects/armageddonprocessor/index.1.jpg)
Start breadboarding my friend. But, you might have to consider something a bit bigger than 1590DD.
Quote from: digi2t on April 06, 2011, 12:19:05 PM
Well, I was thinking 3 delays, each handling one effect. Guess I'm still thinking along the lines of my SDD3300. Otherwise, how do you "slap" the other effects? You keep one dry signal, kill the other 2, and stagger the times. All 3 will recieve the dry signal, but only one will output it, along with the following wet. By killing the dry to the 2 others, manipulating the delay time, only the wet repeats should follow. And with 3 delays, you can also pull one delay/effect out, play with the times, and ping-pong 2 of them. From what I understand, by varying one of the resistor values (the one above IC 2), you vary the volume between the wet and dry signals. I'd say, put a pot in here on each delay, and you could also vary the wey/dry signal from each delay/effect individually i.e. have one dry signal+delay, and the other 2 only wet signals follow in sequence.
Or, run three seperate outs to 3 amps a la Brian May. Now THERE'S a wall of sound!
Madness, I tell you, sheer madness. :icon_evil:
i like the way you think.... :o 8) :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted:
Not quite what you are talking about, but similar thinking, check out the Craig Anderton Quadrafuzz
http://www.paia.com/ProdArticles/quadrafz-design.htm (http://www.paia.com/ProdArticles/quadrafz-design.htm)
Splits the signal in four bands and distorts them all separately.
May be some snippets there you can use.
Thanks Skruf, I thought about the QuadraFuzz, but I didn't bother mentioning it since I figure it would be more fun to create this with 3 loops. Then you could just pick and choose the pedals you want to delay stagger, and plug them in.
I'm really seriously considering drawing something up. Could be pretty funky. Would be a hell of a vero though. Ouff!!! the parts list! DOAH
30ms is still in the chorus range where you won't hear much of a discrete delay slap. I like your creativity. Maybe try a longer delay time?
Quote from: digi2t on April 06, 2011, 05:49:34 PM
Thanks Skruf, I thought about the QuadraFuzz, but I didn't bother mentioning it since I figure it would be more fun to create this with 3 loops. Then you could just pick and choose the pedals you want to delay stagger, and plug them in.
I'm really seriously considering drawing something up. Could be pretty funky. Would be a hell of a vero though. Ouff!!! the parts list! DOAH
dude....make it happen!! i'll build and verify it, if it takes me a month!! lol!! :D
Quote from: Rodgre on April 06, 2011, 11:33:29 PM
30ms is still in the chorus range where you won't hear much of a discrete delay slap. I like your creativity. Maybe try a longer delay time?
yah, a longer delay could be VERY hip....but too long, and i don't think the effect would sound the same, but there'd be more that you could do with it, for sure.
feedback wouldn't be necessary, but could make for some cool drones and noise, and maybe even some flanging/chorusing.
i was thinking about 30 ms, so you'd get 30, 60, and 90 ms...enough where it would still stay useable for single note leads...it could sound backwards in real time kinda is what i'm envisioning!
;)
If you use 3 rebote delays, I believe you can get up to 1.1 seconds of delay plus controllable feedback for each. You`ll need this, since your second delay time will be 30% longer than your first, and the third delay time will always be another 30% longer than your second. Then you`ll be able to get your 1-2-3 sequence. If I`ve got time, I`ll try a rough sketch of the lay of the land to see if it makes sense. I`m tight for time though, since I just sold my house, and have to move in June.
If the dry signal output can be removed from 2 of the 3 effects, I believe it would be a neat effect. You would get the following in sequence if the time stagger and feedback were set up right. Let`s say with 3 different fuzz sounds (one strum), staggered delays, and feedback on 1 repeat;
-Dry 1st fuzz with no repeat, followed by;
-2nd fuzz wet signal, one repeat only, followed by;
-3erd fuzz wet signal, one repeat only.
Bang, bang, bang.
I think the feedback control would be critical, to control the repeats. Also, it would allow you to increase the repeats, thus having 2 or more repeats sound before the next effect come through (if you don`t run out of delay time). This sucker would have a shitload of knobs! Not exactly an effect that you could adjust on the fly. During a show. Playing speed metal. After a few beers. :icon_eek:
OK, I was doodling at work (hey! I work for the government, give me a break), and I came up with this;
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc196/digi2t/Tripledelayidea.jpg)
3 Robote delays (with wet/dry pot mod), AMZ input splitter, and AMZ mixer (only 3 channels, not 4)... and a big box. And you should still be able to use your pedals individually, as you normally would, bypassing all the delay crap. You could even run all 3 pedals in parallel, and enjoy whatever mish-mash comes out the other end.
I know it's rough, but I have to go through these doodle/logic sessions to see if any of this chaos makes sense, let alone if it's do-able. It MIGHT work.
Cheers,
Dino
wow, dino, you were busy!! i like the way you think...actually, i think having it your way may even be better, as you can choose which boxes you want effected...i was thinking everything should be on one board, or at least in one box...that's why i chose really small simple fuzzular circuits with a couple parts...
but this is hip!! ;D
Just brainstorming the idea, that`s all. Makes the day go by quicker. Anyway, by making loops, you can use the pedals of your choice. Mix and match, yet be able to cut out the loop or delay and use the pedals on their own, as you would normally.
I think if you use the available diagrams, you should be able to piece it together easily enough. If you do, let me know. Then we can kick around the idea of MIDI`fying it :icon_mrgreen:.
plus, you could run whatever other effects you want...say, an autowah, flanger, hell, a pitch shifter. gets a way from the all in one original tho, which i may try to breadboard at some point in the future...finances are a little wack right now, just blew god knows too much cash on parts...again...lol. i'll go to get one stupid part and walk out with 40 bucks worth of components...you know how it is!
;)
i think to start, when i can afford to, i'll try your idea out first. then, if it seems plausible, i'll try to make it an all-in-one circuit to see how it works, and if it does, release it into the wild for peeps to do with as they please. thanks for the help, bro, it's really appreciated....
if YOU build this thing up, or anyone else wants to try, please keep me posted!!
peace!
found this thing, looks like most of a delay circuit is in the chip:
http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/datasheet/PrincetonTechnologyCorporation/mXryvss.pdf