I was thinking about the SPDT toggle switch.. is it avalible as a Footswitch ? if so, what is it called ?
I though i could use a footswitch for clipping.. maybe i can use a 2PDT footswitch ? isnt that ON/ON ? 1-2 "click" 2-3 ?
You can use SPDT, DPDT, or even 3PDT. If you truly do not need the extra "P"s, ignore them.
Quote from: Perkla on December 31, 2011, 08:09:50 PM
I though i could use a footswitch for clipping.. maybe i can use a 2PDT footswitch ? isnt that ON/ON ? 1-2 "click" 2-3 ?
"clipping"? Are you thinking of a momentary switch, maybe? It sounds to me (I may be reading wrong) that you want to make a kind of stutter box, where you can clip the signal in and out by tapping your foot?
If not, ignore me and refer to Paul's advice. ;D
Quote from: PRR on December 31, 2011, 10:56:13 PM
You can use SPDT, DPDT, or even 3PDT. If you truly do not need the extra "P"s, ignore them.
So what pins should i use if i am gona use a 3PDT switch ? a DPDT toggle switch for clipping is ON/ON so thats what the footswitch need to do as well..
Quote from: Perkla on January 01, 2012, 08:26:22 AM
Quote from: PRR on December 31, 2011, 10:56:13 PM
You can use SPDT, DPDT, or even 3PDT. If you truly do not need the extra "P"s, ignore them.
So what pins should i use if i am gona use a 3PDT switch ? a DPDT toggle switch for clipping is ON/ON so thats what the footswitch need to do as well..
just the first row , 1-2 should give you continuity , click ! , 1-2 doesn't continue only 2-3 does .
Quote from: DavenPaget on January 01, 2012, 08:31:19 AM
Quote from: Perkla on January 01, 2012, 08:26:22 AM
Quote from: PRR on December 31, 2011, 10:56:13 PM
You can use SPDT, DPDT, or even 3PDT. If you truly do not need the extra "P"s, ignore them.
So what pins should i use if i am gona use a 3PDT switch ? a DPDT toggle switch for clipping is ON/ON so thats what the footswitch need to do as well..
just the first row , 1-2 should give you continuity , click ! , 1-2 doesn't continue only 2-3 does .
So this is how it works ?
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/384170_10150431800380964_606400963_8685057_15375247_n.jpg)
Quote from: Perkla on January 01, 2012, 09:05:57 AM
Quote from: DavenPaget on January 01, 2012, 08:31:19 AM
Quote from: Perkla on January 01, 2012, 08:26:22 AM
Quote from: PRR on December 31, 2011, 10:56:13 PM
You can use SPDT, DPDT, or even 3PDT. If you truly do not need the extra "P"s, ignore them.
So what pins should i use if i am gona use a 3PDT switch ? a DPDT toggle switch for clipping is ON/ON so thats what the footswitch need to do as well..
just the first row , 1-2 should give you continuity , click ! , 1-2 doesn't continue only 2-3 does .
So this is how it works ?
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/384170_10150431800380964_606400963_8685057_15375247_n.jpg)
Have you checked with a multimeter ?
Quote from: DavenPaget on January 01, 2012, 09:08:27 AM
Quote from: Perkla on January 01, 2012, 09:05:57 AM
Quote from: DavenPaget on January 01, 2012, 08:31:19 AM
Quote from: Perkla on January 01, 2012, 08:26:22 AM
Quote from: PRR on December 31, 2011, 10:56:13 PM
You can use SPDT, DPDT, or even 3PDT. If you truly do not need the extra "P"s, ignore them.
So what pins should i use if i am gona use a 3PDT switch ? a DPDT toggle switch for clipping is ON/ON so thats what the footswitch need to do as well..
just the first row , 1-2 should give you continuity , click ! , 1-2 doesn't continue only 2-3 does .
So this is how it works ?
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/384170_10150431800380964_606400963_8685057_15375247_n.jpg)
Have you checked with a multimeter ?
Yes i have checked the with a multimeter and it seems to be it.. 1-2 *click* 2-3.... so that must work fine with clipping ? i mean swap the toggle switch and use a footswitch.
Yeah sure of course . A footswitch is a ON-ON switch after all , like the pushbuttons , just that these are steel pushbuttons .
Quote from: DavenPaget on January 01, 2012, 09:33:55 AM
Yeah sure of course . A footswitch is a ON-ON switch after all , like the pushbuttons , just that these are steel pushbuttons .
Thought it would be kind of cool to have a footswitch for clipping on the pedals i am gona sell to my friends.. not fun to reach the damn floor to grabb a toggle switch when wanna use it.. better with a footswitch.. :D
But how ever i would like to have a LED that is both green and red so when clipping is in one mode the LED is Green and vise versa.. so how can i do that with a 3PDT switch and clipping ?
Quote from: Perkla on January 01, 2012, 09:57:37 AM
But how ever i would like to have a LED that is both green and red so when clipping is in one mode the LED is Green and vise versa.. so how can i do that with a 3PDT switch and clipping ?
Using another row , 1-2 ( second row ) using 2 as the common . Vcc to 1K-10K to pin 2 , pin 1 for red/green , pin 3 vice versa .
Quote from: DavenPaget on January 01, 2012, 10:15:23 AM
Quote from: Perkla on January 01, 2012, 09:57:37 AM
But how ever i would like to have a LED that is both green and red so when clipping is in one mode the LED is Green and vise versa.. so how can i do that with a 3PDT switch and clipping ?
Using another row , 1-2 ( second row ) using 2 as the common . Vcc to 1K-10K to pin 2 , pin 1 for red/green , pin 3 vice versa .
So what does Vcc means ? I think i need a resistor for the LED ? or maybe i should just have a red LED for the clipping, there is only two modes for the clipping.. so just make the LED to light up in one mode and make it NOT to light up in the other.. simple, but i still need a resistor i think ?
I have figured out that a 1k resistor works great for a normal green LED, seems like its just enaugh to not blow the LED, so i though i could put 9 volt from the DC jack from the pedal and use it in the second row on the 3PDT switch so its basicly gona use the LED to work as a ON and OFF marker...o man my english is bad now... i cant hardly understand what i just wrote.. hahahaha :icon_rolleyes:
This is what i am talking about.. and have the clipping switch function on the second row..the 9 volt battery is suppose to be the 9 volt DC in on the pedal.
(http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/407822_10150432002715964_606400963_8686815_1875654618_n.jpg)
This is what i mean with a LED with Green/Red light.. just pretend the second LED is the red one.. it will allways be lighted up but different color depending on what mode u are in the clipping.
(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/393920_10150432038230964_606400963_8687133_944828864_n.jpg)
Quote from: Perkla on January 01, 2012, 11:57:02 AM
This is what i mean with a LED with Green/Red light.. just pretend the second LED is the red one.. it will allways be lighted up but different color depending on what mode u are in the clipping.
(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/393920_10150432038230964_606400963_8687133_944828864_n.jpg)
Uh yeah you got it :icon_mrgreen:
Quote from: DavenPaget on January 01, 2012, 12:00:49 PM
Quote from: Perkla on January 01, 2012, 11:57:02 AM
This is what i mean with a LED with Green/Red light.. just pretend the second LED is the red one.. it will allways be lighted up but different color depending on what mode u are in the clipping.
(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/393920_10150432038230964_606400963_8687133_944828864_n.jpg)
Uh yeah you got it :icon_mrgreen:
BUT.. cus there is allways gona be one color lighted up on the clipping diode..it will not be very suitble for a 9 volt battery cus it will dry the battery out in no time.. so thats why i am gona NOT have a internal battery, only 9 Volt DC, but how ever its possible to have a external batterypack if needed.. :D
This was not very hard to figure out.. just needed a cappuccino and a good thought and it was done.. :D
They can be shut off permanently only if you use a external toggle ( after the footswitch ) ... Don't even think of a 4PDT ... that won't help :icon_mrgreen:
Quote from: DavenPaget on January 01, 2012, 12:41:39 PM
They can be shut off permanently only if you use a external toggle ( after the footswitch ) ... Don't even think of a 4PDT ... that won't help :icon_mrgreen:
Yes.. but i think i am ok with it.. i mean that its ok that one color is allways lighted up, my pedal is in general not designed for battery..
Quote from: Perkla on January 01, 2012, 12:49:43 PM
Quote from: DavenPaget on January 01, 2012, 12:41:39 PM
They can be shut off permanently only if you use a external toggle ( after the footswitch ) ... Don't even think of a 4PDT ... that won't help :icon_mrgreen:
Yes.. but i think i am ok with it.. i mean that its ok that one color is allways lighted up, my pedal is in general not designed for battery..
Then that will be fine , most pedals i design are for battery , but i always always omit a battery .
Well i could use the LED +9v from the existing 3PDT footsw and wire it to this footsw so if the pedal is disengaged , it is off too :icon_mrgreen:
I actually attempted to see if a 4PDT would work in eagle ... clearly not ... ON-OFF-ON would be desirable but of course nobody makes such footswitches , so taking the lead from existing LED +9v is a good thing ( right from the footsw where you take the LED +9v not the resistor . )
Quote from: DavenPaget on January 01, 2012, 01:01:02 PM
Quote from: Perkla on January 01, 2012, 12:49:43 PM
Quote from: DavenPaget on January 01, 2012, 12:41:39 PM
They can be shut off permanently only if you use a external toggle ( after the footswitch ) ... Don't even think of a 4PDT ... that won't help :icon_mrgreen:
Yes.. but i think i am ok with it.. i mean that its ok that one color is allways lighted up, my pedal is in general not designed for battery..
Then that will be fine , most pedals i design are for battery , but i always always omit a battery .
Well i could use the LED +9v from the existing 3PDT footsw and wire it to this footsw so if the pedal is disengaged , it is off too :icon_mrgreen:
I actually attempted to see if a 4PDT would work in eagle ... clearly not ... ON-OFF-ON would be desirable but of course nobody makes such footswitches , so taking the lead from existing LED +9v is a good thing ( right from the footsw where you take the LED +9v not the resistor . )
Listen.. there u said something... to wire the clipping footsw from the main switsh.. so when the pedal is in bypass-mode its impossible to get the clipping diode to light up, but as soon as u activate the pedal it opens the channels and its possible to activate the clipping LED.. this is of course for the LED and not for the clipping it self. Do u have a clue how to do that ?
(http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr283/DarkShadower/LMFAOMan.png)
Umm.. sorry but i cant read schematics...:( but maybe i can use a signal from the 3PDT that activates the pedal.. the same that is for the LED that lights up when the pedal is ON.. ? Just solder a cable on the same cable and have that soldered on the clipping 3PDT for the LED...so when det pedal is in OFF mode.. its not possible to light up the clipping LED...
Quote from: Perkla on January 01, 2012, 01:51:03 PM
Umm.. sorry but i cant read schematics...:( but maybe i can use a signal from the 3PDT that activates the pedal.. the same that is for the LED that lights up when the pedal is ON.. ? Just solder a cable on the same cable and have that soldered on the clipping 3PDT for the LED...so when det pedal is in OFF mode.. its not possible to light up the clipping LED...
If only i had a 3PDT on the spot to show you , i haven't recieved my supplies yet ... :icon_mrgreen:
Quote from: DavenPaget on January 01, 2012, 02:00:45 PM
Quote from: Perkla on January 01, 2012, 01:51:03 PM
Umm.. sorry but i cant read schematics...:( but maybe i can use a signal from the 3PDT that activates the pedal.. the same that is for the LED that lights up when the pedal is ON.. ? Just solder a cable on the same cable and have that soldered on the clipping 3PDT for the LED...so when det pedal is in OFF mode.. its not possible to light up the clipping LED...
If only i had a 3PDT on the spot to show you , i haven't recieved my supplies yet ... :icon_mrgreen:
Wait.. i have solder something.. just something little that could be what i am looking for.. i am gona record it and give u a link in a sec..
No.. it didnt work.. :( well.. it was a nice try anyway.. so now i dont know how to get signal from the main 3PDT when its on.. and no signal when its off.. :S
Quote from: Perkla on January 01, 2012, 02:18:30 PM
No.. it didnt work.. :( well.. it was a nice try anyway.. so now i dont know how to get signal from the main 3PDT when its on.. and no signal when its off.. :S
Well i'm surprised how far i got just learning how to read and write schematics ... anyway , if you understood my horrible schematic , then all's good ... but you don't ...
Quote from: DavenPaget on January 01, 2012, 02:51:53 PM
Quote from: Perkla on January 01, 2012, 02:18:30 PM
No.. it didnt work.. :( well.. it was a nice try anyway.. so now i dont know how to get signal from the main 3PDT when its on.. and no signal when its off.. :S
Well i'm surprised how far i got just learning how to read and write schematics ... anyway , if you understood my horrible schematic , then all's good ... but you don't ...
Its not u... it me.. BIG TIME... FAIL.. i cant read schematics what so ever.. so even if u are a pro on writing schematics i would still not understand.. :S
Quote from: Perkla on January 01, 2012, 02:58:50 PM
Quote from: DavenPaget on January 01, 2012, 02:51:53 PM
Quote from: Perkla on January 01, 2012, 02:18:30 PM
No.. it didnt work.. :( well.. it was a nice try anyway.. so now i dont know how to get signal from the main 3PDT when its on.. and no signal when its off.. :S
Well i'm surprised how far i got just learning how to read and write schematics ... anyway , if you understood my horrible schematic , then all's good ... but you don't ...
Its not u... it me.. BIG TIME... FAIL.. i cant read schematics what so ever.. so even if u are a pro on writing schematics i would still not understand.. :S
I'll do it on DIYLC layout style tomorrow for you ... have to go bed now (4 AM FOREVER !)
Quote from: DavenPaget on January 01, 2012, 03:00:26 PM
Quote from: Perkla on January 01, 2012, 02:58:50 PM
Quote from: DavenPaget on January 01, 2012, 02:51:53 PM
Quote from: Perkla on January 01, 2012, 02:18:30 PM
No.. it didnt work.. :( well.. it was a nice try anyway.. so now i dont know how to get signal from the main 3PDT when its on.. and no signal when its off.. :S
Well i'm surprised how far i got just learning how to read and write schematics ... anyway , if you understood my horrible schematic , then all's good ... but you don't ...
Its not u... it me.. BIG TIME... FAIL.. i cant read schematics what so ever.. so even if u are a pro on writing schematics i would still not understand.. :S
I'll do it on DIYLC layout style tomorrow for you ... have to go bed now (4 AM FOREVER !)
Awesome.. :D 4am now.. ? hmm are u in Australia ?
Quote from: Perkla on January 01, 2012, 03:03:23 PM
Awesome.. :D 4am now.. ? hmm are u in Australia ?
Nope :D
To the left , Singapore :icon_mrgreen:
Quote from: DavenPaget on January 01, 2012, 03:10:55 PM
Quote from: Perkla on January 01, 2012, 03:03:23 PM
Awesome.. :D 4am now.. ? hmm are u in Australia ?
Nope :D
To the left , Singapore :icon_mrgreen:
Thats cool.. for me its to the right.. i live in europe.. and i am about to travel to singapore with my gf this upcomming summer, at the end of June, and also visit Indonesia in July where my gf´s dad lives.. :D
Maybe its not possible to get the signal like on/off from a 3PDT switch.. ?
Quote from: Perkla on January 01, 2012, 05:28:23 PM
Maybe its not possible to get the signal like on/off from a 3PDT switch.. ?
Hmm ? :o
Anyway i got it done for you .
(http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr283/DarkShadower/MehHA.png)
Quote from: Perkla on January 01, 2012, 03:17:28 PM
Quote from: DavenPaget on January 01, 2012, 03:10:55 PM
Quote from: Perkla on January 01, 2012, 03:03:23 PM
Awesome.. :D 4am now.. ? hmm are u in Australia ?
Nope :D
To the left , Singapore :icon_mrgreen:
Thats cool.. for me its to the right.. i live in europe.. and i am about to travel to singapore with my gf this upcomming summer, at the end of June, and also visit Indonesia in July where my gf´s dad lives.. :D
Europe's on the right ? ???
(http://www.justmaps.org/maps/images/world-maps.gif)
That is not how my 3PDT switch is soldered now... :S
This is what it looks like
(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/384521_10150433550285964_606400963_8697289_796991543_n.jpg)
Quote from: DavenPaget on January 02, 2012, 01:54:36 AM
Quote from: Perkla on January 01, 2012, 03:17:28 PM
Quote from: DavenPaget on January 01, 2012, 03:10:55 PM
Quote from: Perkla on January 01, 2012, 03:03:23 PM
Awesome.. :D 4am now.. ? hmm are u in Australia ?
Nope :D
To the left , Singapore :icon_mrgreen:
Thats cool.. for me its to the right.. i live in europe.. and i am about to travel to singapore with my gf this upcomming summer, at the end of June, and also visit Indonesia in July where my gf´s dad lives.. :D
Europe's on the right ? ???
(http://www.justmaps.org/maps/images/world-maps.gif)
Yes.. wow u are right about that.. depending if you are standing with your eyes north or south.. :icon_wink:
Quote from: Perkla on January 02, 2012, 08:08:18 AM
That is not how my 3PDT switch is soldered now... :S
This is what it looks like
(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/384521_10150433550285964_606400963_8697289_796991543_n.jpg)
... Basically wire your new 2LED ground to the ground of the old LED
Quote from: DavenPaget on January 02, 2012, 09:50:44 AM
Quote from: Perkla on January 02, 2012, 08:08:18 AM
That is not how my 3PDT switch is soldered now... :S
This is what it looks like
(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/384521_10150433550285964_606400963_8697289_796991543_n.jpg)
... Basically wire your new 2LED ground to the ground of the old LED
Yes.. thanx.. i know how to do it now.. its pretty cool..now its works great, when pedal is off its not possible to activate the LED for the clipping switch, and when the pedal is ON the LED for the clipping comes on to.. :D
Some call me switch master ... i've learned and done enough of switches already ...
This is how it works now..
I could not get the DIY Circuit Layout program to work so i had to draw one by hand, this is pretty much what i am talking about will be a clipping footswitch with a LED indicator.
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/403718_10150435421090964_606400963_8709008_1742221532_n.jpg)
A leed needs a resistor.. how do i calculate what resistor i should have ? RIght now i use a 1k resistor and that seems to work fine with 9 volt.. some ppl say that i need a different resistor for a standard LED.. so what to do ?
Quote from: Perkla on January 04, 2012, 11:48:30 AM
A leed needs a resistor.. how do i calculate what resistor i should have ? RIght now i use a 1k resistor and that seems to work fine with 9 volt.. some ppl say that i need a different resistor for a standard LED.. so what to do ?
Up to you man :icon_mrgreen: 1K is fine since you aren't designing it for battery use .
If it was for battery use i would take a water clear super bright led and use a pot to see what is the sweet spot :icon_mrgreen:
Quote from: DavenPaget on January 04, 2012, 11:51:34 AM
Quote from: Perkla on January 04, 2012, 11:48:30 AM
A leed needs a resistor.. how do i calculate what resistor i should have ? RIght now i use a 1k resistor and that seems to work fine with 9 volt.. some ppl say that i need a different resistor for a standard LED.. so what to do ?
Up to you man :icon_mrgreen: 1K is fine since you aren't designing it for battery use .
If it was for battery use i would take a water clear super bright led and use a pot to see what is the sweet spot :icon_mrgreen:
In the 3PDT test i did in the video i used 1k resistor for two LED´s... and just to test it i was using a battery and it didnt burn up the LED´s, but what if i wanna run a battery... isnt 1k a little to smal value for LED then ? What do u use ?
For battery use i think i would need to have like 300ohm resistor or something like that.. most online calculators tells me like 290-360 ohm or so.. :S
So i think that a 350 Ohms resistor on the LED should be good for a pedal that is running on both 9 volt battery and 9 Volt DC...
A 1k resistor give much less light than a 100R resistor does when its about standard LED´s, the 100 ohm resistor let more voltage pass through the LED and in that case it will dry the battery out quicker than if u are using a 1k resistor, so in my case i am pretty safe with 1k resistor for using both 9 volt battery and 9 Volt DC... i think ?
Quote from: Perkla on January 04, 2012, 04:00:50 PM
A 1k resistor give much less light than a 100R resistor does when its about standard LED´s, the 100 ohm resistor let more voltage pass through the LED and in that case it will dry the battery out quicker than if u are using a 1k resistor, so in my case i am pretty safe with 1k resistor for using both 9 volt battery and 9 Volt DC... i think ?
Yeah ... but i will switch to water clear LED's at any rate . They're bloody bright even at 2.2K
Quote from: DavenPaget on January 04, 2012, 06:49:53 PM
Quote from: Perkla on January 04, 2012, 04:00:50 PM
A 1k resistor give much less light than a 100R resistor does when its about standard LED´s, the 100 ohm resistor let more voltage pass through the LED and in that case it will dry the battery out quicker than if u are using a 1k resistor, so in my case i am pretty safe with 1k resistor for using both 9 volt battery and 9 Volt DC... i think ?
Yeah ... but i will switch to water clear LED's at any rate . They're bloody bright even at 2.2K
So a standard green or red are giving lower light at the same power as a clear one ? 2.2K is not possible with my LED´s... to dark.. 1k is almost to dark but works for me, 100R is possible.. but will drain the battery faster..
Use water clear's .
Let me prove to you they are bloody bright ( this is of 2 Series LED's @ 9v , 150R )
(http://davenndaily.net46.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/P1080541.jpg)
Thats bright.. but i would like colored LED´s, Green and Red ones ...
Quote from: Perkla on January 05, 2012, 06:17:05 AM
Thats bright.. but i would like colored LED´s, Green and Red ones ...
They do have ! clearly !
Quote from: DavenPaget on January 05, 2012, 06:59:11 AM
Quote from: Perkla on January 05, 2012, 06:17:05 AM
Thats bright.. but i would like colored LED´s, Green and Red ones ...
They do have ! clearly !
Ok.. yes i understand what u mean now.. i know there is clear LED´s hahaha.. u are right about that, they are brighter than the satin ones
With a 1k resistor for my standard green LED and 9 volt battery i get 2.27 Volts and the LED´s maximum voltage is about 5 volts (even though its way to much in my opinion).
It must be possible to simulate a 3pdt switch with 3 SPDT switches and get the same function if all 3 SPDT switches are switched at the same time.. ?
Quote from: Perkla on January 06, 2012, 08:29:01 AM
It must be possible to simulate a 3pdt switch with 3 SPDT switches and get the same function if all 3 SPDT switches are switched at the same time.. ?
You could attach a "bridge" a hard one to all 3 switches if it is a toggle .
But if it's a stomp , attach a stomp "bridge" but usually SPDT stomps are expensive . and most likely unfindable .