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Title: How to make a pedal MORE noisy?
Post by: Purplebuttcheese on March 06, 2017, 10:38:04 PM
I know how to make a pedal less noisy. But I'm not sure how to make it MORE noisy. Cap? Resistor? Diode? Not sure how to execute this. A customer of mine is really into noise pedals and the pedal I made for him was "too clear" and wanted it "more noisy". He basically wanted a switch to keep the pedal as is but when he flips it it'll make more noise (static, a TINY bit of distortion, or the guitar signal sounding more..... Rusty?). If it helps any; it's a digital delay.
Title: Re: How to make a pedal MORE noisy?
Post by: EBK on March 06, 2017, 10:43:47 PM
Ceramic caps
Carbon film resistors
Longer wires
Bigger resistors in the signal path
Title: Re: How to make a pedal MORE noisy?
Post by: LightSoundGeometry on March 06, 2017, 11:41:26 PM
tell him to get a strat with single coils
Title: Re: How to make a pedal MORE noisy?
Post by: rutabaga bob on March 06, 2017, 11:42:44 PM
At one time, I was planning how to do the same thing for an effect one of my kids wanted...never assembled it as he was happy with the glitchiness of the Fuzz Factory I made him.  The plan involved blending a zener diode white-noise circuit into the signal path just after the regular fuzz effect.  I might have to go back and tinker with that again, just to see if it works. ;)

Edit: play the strat under fluorescent lights, too.
Title: Re: How to make a pedal MORE noisy?
Post by: PRR on March 06, 2017, 11:46:32 PM
Cascade two sections of TL072 with gain=100 each stage. You get around 20mV wide-band hiss, which when mixed will be audible. Need more to cover mix-loss, up the gain of both stages. Want more annoying, cut bass and extreme highs with the usual tricks. For random grunge in a circuit which overloads, low-pass at 80Hz and shove huge level into the input. Subsonics will blip the circuit to distortion.
Title: Re: How to make a pedal MORE noisy?
Post by: mth5044 on March 06, 2017, 11:58:02 PM
Check out the wind machine on this forum.

Also, is it possible he wants it to sound more analog/BBD? Maybe try adding some filtering / low pass
Title: Re: How to make a pedal MORE noisy?
Post by: ElectricDruid on March 07, 2017, 05:47:18 AM
There are kind-of three different things you mention there:

1) Noise/Hiss
You could actually generate this and add it in. Either with a high-gain op-amp like Paul suggested or a single-transistor noise source.

2) Static
This is the hard one, I reckon. Some random staticky clicks and pops isn't going to be easy to fake. If I was doing it, I'd program up a random static generator on a PIC, but I can't imagine a *simple* way with analog.

3) Lo-fi sound
You can get this by limiting the frequency range of the guitar with filters, so that you get that "on a cheap radio/on the telephone" sound. Coupled with running it through the cheapest, nastiest old transistor you can find from a broken toy, you'll be pretty close.

Perhaps you could achieve both (1) and (2) by getting one of those single-chip FM receivers and then running it not-tuned and/or without an arial. That'd get some interesting random noise into the circuit.

HTH,
Tom
Title: Re: How to make a pedal MORE noisy?
Post by: anotherjim on March 07, 2017, 06:08:35 AM
Digital Delay?
Somewhere there is low pass filtering going in and out of the delay. Remove the filtering -  it will be grungy.
Title: Re: How to make a pedal MORE noisy?
Post by: merlinb on March 07, 2017, 06:37:32 AM
Put resistance in series with the signal. The bigger the resistance, the more of them, the greater the noise. A 1M series resistor at the input should do the trick!
Title: Re: How to make a pedal MORE noisy?
Post by: EBK on March 07, 2017, 06:45:50 AM
Also, is it possible he wants it to sound more analog/BBD? Maybe try adding some filtering / low pass
+1
On this topic, read through the PT-80 doc for a decent explanation of how to make a digital delay sound more analog:
http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/pt80techinfo.pdf
Title: Re: How to make a pedal MORE noisy?
Post by: digi2t on March 07, 2017, 08:09:47 AM
Ceramic caps
Carbon film resistors
Longer wires
Bigger resistors in the signal path

(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc196/digi2t/Two%20Face%20Fuzz/DSCF4146_zps672b4e9c.jpg) (http://s214.photobucket.com/user/digi2t/media/Two%20Face%20Fuzz/DSCF4146_zps672b4e9c.jpg.html)

 :)

(Schumann Two Face Fuzz... in case you were wondering.)
Title: Re: How to make a pedal MORE noisy?
Post by: rutabaga bob on March 07, 2017, 09:08:53 AM
Mmmm!  Spaghetti for dinner, honey?
Title: Re: How to make a pedal MORE noisy?
Post by: diegocw on March 07, 2017, 09:32:02 AM
i just tried this with what I had on my breadboard.

A Transistor noise generator with 2 gain stages -> into a Guitar Pickup Simulator with Tone control rolled off (Low pass Filter) -> into a simple Fuzz face (Fuzz knob at 100%)
It does make a cool sounding noise. With the LPF you can dial some crackling sounds.
note: the Gating effect from the Fuzz Face Bias has a great impact on the crackling sounds.
Definitely an overkill for what you are looking for, but I thought I'd share it anyway.

Diego
Title: Re: How to make a pedal MORE noisy?
Post by: GibsonGM on March 07, 2017, 09:38:48 AM
Ceramic caps
Carbon film resistors
Longer wires
Bigger resistors in the signal path

(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc196/digi2t/Two%20Face%20Fuzz/DSCF4146_zps672b4e9c.jpg) (http://s214.photobucket.com/user/digi2t/media/Two%20Face%20Fuzz/DSCF4146_zps672b4e9c.jpg.html)

 :)

(Schumann Two Face Fuzz... in case you were wondering.)

Has the insurance claim been approved yet??
Title: Re: How to make a pedal MORE noisy?
Post by: digi2t on March 07, 2017, 09:50:59 AM
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It got lost inside the pedal. Haven't recovered it yet.
Title: Re: How to make a pedal MORE noisy?
Post by: ElectricDruid on April 02, 2017, 09:10:10 AM
Ok, I got inspired by this thread and got somewhat carried away. Here's my take on it. I call it Hiss, Crackle and Pop because that's what it's made of:

http://electricdruid.net/adding-vintage-hiss-crackle-and-pop/

If you just want to cut to the chase and hear it, here it is; the three elements separately, then the mix.

http://electricdruid.net/sounds/HissCracklePop.mp3

Enjoy!
Tom
Title: Re: How to make a pedal MORE noisy?
Post by: EBK on April 02, 2017, 09:32:28 AM
Tom, that reminds me of my high voltage prank from yesterday.  :icon_razz:

Very cool sound you've made.  I have no particular use for it, but seeing (and hearing) it actually created makes me happy. 
Title: Re: How to make a pedal MORE noisy?
Post by: ashcat_lt on April 02, 2017, 04:16:11 PM
Is it maybe worth adding noises to the power supply rather than the signal itself?
Title: Re: How to make a pedal MORE noisy?
Post by: Ripdivot on April 04, 2017, 01:30:12 AM
I would try starving the voltage supply to the pedal.