Hi all,
This is a project that I have just completed that I'm very pleased with and would be ideal for a beginner to pedal building.
It is based around a prebuilt echo/delay module readily available from Ebay or other online sellers for around AU$4 posted. The module has everything included - just needs a couple of 1/4" sockets, a power supply and an optional extra 50K pot.
So the only soldering required is from the module to the sockets.
Here is an image of the module:
(https://s33.postimg.cc/jwwwh5lyj/PT_delay_3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/jwwwh5lyj/)
The module uses the standard circuit from the Princeton datasheet which is also the basis for the original Rebote delay.
(https://s33.postimg.cc/6src4kh2z/PT2399_echo_circuit.gif) (https://postimg.cc/image/6src4kh2z/)
Not only is a delay pedal built from this module easy to build, I have been really impressed with how good it sounds. I have built most of the PT2399 based delay pedals over the years, and most of these designs deliberately roll off higher frequencies to simulate a BBD based delay. This delay module based on the Princeton application note uses less high rolloff and simplifies the circuit to only two controls. In spite of the increased high end, there is little noise evident and only at max delay settings.
More information to come......
That's a nice project!
Found the board on aliexpress. I'm not sure how much it costs in dollars, but it's about $5.50 with shipping to Brazil based on the price in reais (brazilian coin).
https://aliexpress.com/item/PT2399-Microphone-Reverb-Plate-Reverberation-Board-No-Preamplifier-Function-Module/32816343977.html
Thanks Marcos - yes that's the module. It seems to be sold by numbers of sellers.
Interestingly, the item you linked on Aliexpress sells for AU$3.84 posted ;)
Quote from: gcwills on June 21, 2018, 10:14:00 PM
So the only soldering required is from the module to the sockets.
QuoteA delay pedal anyone can build for cheap!
So you're saying this is a delay pedal anyone can have pre-built for them for cheap? :P Frankly the soldering is my favorite part of building ;D
i use these all the time in chipamp pedals. they're great.
BUT
they are set up as digital reverbs. you need to replace r28 on the board, and wire in a 50 or 100k pot to control delay time.
you end up with delay time and wet dry mix. i'm not savvy enough to hack in anything else with this smd stuff,
but yeah, on ali express they're about 3 bux shipped, ebay, around 5. for what they do, they work great.
in the chipamps i use a simple buffnblend circuit with these, and hack in a 100k pot. there's pads on the side for a 9mm alpha. you don't HAVE to remove r28 but they suggest it... gives ya more control over the short end of the time scale i guess.
other than that, these are wicked useful. i use 'em with my rubydoobies,
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recently petey twofingers got me into chip amps. i gotta 100watt mono class d board in yesterday, runs on up to 26vdc so i'm gonna run it with a 24v laptop supply i have kicking around.
i use one of these boards for onboard delay, a couple of the buffnblends and a tonetweq boards from guitarpcb for dry/wet for the 2399 echo and belton brick reverb, and then set it up with a mosfet boost for clean, a fuzzface for crunch/normal everyday photon sounds, and a RM mongoose circuit for when i need a lot of distortion, the whole mess will fit in a 1590dd, with footswitches for the "channels", and onboard fx. love it.
plug yer guitar in one end, plug in a speaker in the other, and WANGO.
i'll try and post some shots when its done. sorry for the momentary hijack ;)
i bought three of 'em for 10.80 on ebay the other day
https://www.ebay.com/itm/PT2399-Microphone-Reverb-Plate-Reverberation-Board-No-Preamplifier-Function/183154226908?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/YoEAAOSwA1pavkjX/s-l1600.jpg)
this is the amp module. it will actually run on 9volts, tho you won't get the rated power out of it unless you supply it with 24v.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/TPA3116D2-100W-Mono-Channel-Digital-Audio-Power-Amplifier-Board-car-DC-12V-24V/392004590054?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/UW4AAOSwJ3RasfsG/s-l1600.jpg)
Some more information on this delay pedal.
As mentioned, pretty much everything required for a basic PT2399 pedal is included on the module with the one proviso that the input impedance is fairly low (around 15K). This means that it is not suitable for the direct connection of a guitar. To use the module for guitar there are two options. The first is to feed it from a buffered pedal which provides a low impedance output.
Another option is to use a simple buffer like this emitter follower:
(https://s22.postimg.cc/amf3skmul/Buffer.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/amf3skmul/)
The module includes a delay/echo level pot and has a fixed delay time. To allow for adjusting the delay time, R27 is the fixed reverb time resistor. Remove R27 and connect a 50KB pot to the S - G - G pads.
Here is my prototype mounted in a 1590B diecast box:
(https://s22.postimg.cc/m1g6aktm5/PT_delay_2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/m1g6aktm5/)
(https://s22.postimg.cc/v98erbiot/PT_delay_1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/v98erbiot/)
This prototype really does give a good account of itself for its low cost. Perhaps this is due to the extra high end compared with other PT2399 designs. It comes very close to the EM5 Echomachine version that I posted here some time ago. :)
NICE,GC!
sorry mah bad, r27. keystroked operator error or something.
i leave r27 in and use a 100k pot and its still fairly useable.
Hi,
First post, sorry for the resurrection!
I have one of these old boards kicking around, would like to use it with a guitar plugged straight in.
So I was wondering if there are any recommendations for a transistor for the buffer? I'm looking at the diagram.
My electronics skills are very rusty.
Many thanks.
Hi and Welcome.. :icon_wink:
Any general purpose n-p-n BJT amplifier should be fine..
2N3904, 2N5088, 2N4401, 2N3390-93, BC337-8, BC546-50, BC556-9 etc..
Many thanks, appreciated!
also welcome, but avoid using the BC55x devices as npn, cause they is pnp.
You can slap my hand, Stephen.. :icon_redface:
anyone added a 'repeats' pot?... just bought one for the crack?. :icon_cool:
Quote from: duck_arse on November 11, 2020, 09:50:21 AM
also welcome, but avoid using the BC55x devices as npn, cause they is pnp.
Except the BC550, which is NPN, confusingly. But the other BC55x are indeed PNP, as is the BC560.
Anybody use one of these just as a reverb? I ask because the notion that you can turn this into a delay just by subbing a pot for one resistor (and the fact that it used a PR2399) suggests that it really is a delay masquerading as a reverb, like the old Danelectro Corned Beef, which is really just a rockabilly slapback. I could use a Q&D reverb more than I can a delay at the moment. I guess at this price there's one way to find out.
Edit: I just saw that jovesdies over at the other place sketched out a Corned Beef schematic, sans values, a few years back, which he modded to add delay time and feedback controls. Sure enough, it's a PT2399 with a dual opamp handling input buffer-splitter and output mixer duties, fixed resistors for FB and delay time, a bit of filtering, a hi-cut, a tranny pushing the delay signal into the mixer, and not much else. It's pretty much the datasheet circuit that GCwills posted, with the added buffer/mixer/boost paraphernalia. So you see, there you go.
Do the mods to add controls, add the Buff'n'blend to this little board like Jimi did for I/O duties, and voila, you have yourself a Danelectro Corned Beef delay, now with added functionality! (But no cheesy purple plastic box. :( )
Quote from: Fancy Lime on November 12, 2020, 10:18:27 AM
Quote from: duck_arse on November 11, 2020, 09:50:21 AM
also welcome, but avoid using the BC55x devices as npn, cause they is pnp.
Except the BC550, which is NPN, confusingly. But the other BC55x are indeed PNP, as is the BC560.
thats because the BC550 is not in the BC55x series but in the BC5x0 series... thanks europeans nomenclature.
cheers, Iain
Quote from: iainpunk on November 12, 2020, 11:23:05 AM
Quote from: Fancy Lime on November 12, 2020, 10:18:27 AM
Quote from: duck_arse on November 11, 2020, 09:50:21 AM
also welcome, but avoid using the BC55x devices as npn, cause they is pnp.
Except the BC550, which is NPN, confusingly. But the other BC55x are indeed PNP, as is the BC560.
thats because the BC550 is not in the BC55x series but in the BC5x0 series... thanks europeans nomenclature.
cheers, Iain
indeed, Iain, I winkled this fact out for myself, in a quiet moment today. the only reason I used "x" was cause I'm a lazy to type the other numbers of antonis. who seems to cause all the problems.
Quote from: duck_arse on November 13, 2020, 08:46:44 AM
Quote from: iainpunk on November 12, 2020, 11:23:05 AM
Quote from: Fancy Lime on November 12, 2020, 10:18:27 AM
Quote from: duck_arse on November 11, 2020, 09:50:21 AM
also welcome, but avoid using the BC55x devices as npn, cause they is pnp.
Except the BC550, which is NPN, confusingly. But the other BC55x are indeed PNP, as is the BC560.
thats because the BC550 is not in the BC55x series but in the BC5x0 series... thanks europeans nomenclature.
cheers, Iain
indeed, Iain, I winkled this fact out for myself, in a quiet moment today. the only reason I used "x" was cause I'm a lazy to type the other numbers of antonis. who seems to cause all the problems.
Problems are only in the eye of the beholder.. :icon_mrgreen:
So, I bought one of these off ebay (from the link in pinkjimi's post above), it came quickly from China, about a week. Built it and it's great, really fun. I'm a veroboard guy and building modulation effects on veroboard is not my idea of fun.
That brings me to my question: are there more of these type of cheap, pre-built modules available? Phaser, Flanger, etc? If anyone knows and can post a link or steer in the right direction it would be appreciated.
Basic architecture is the same..
Any of those kits can be easily modified according to your needs..
(https://i.imgur.com/dgR11tu.png)
Quote from: Marcos - Munky on June 22, 2018, 12:59:41 AM...about $5.50 with shipping to Brazil based on the price in reais (brazilian coin)....
That link is quoting me US $1.58 marked down from US $1.80.
Although-- Shipping: US $1.80 to United States via Cainiao Super Economy Global Estimated Delivery:
30-50 days
I made pedal with it today
(https://i.postimg.cc/yD719chv/IMG-20220911-174434140.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yD719chv)
Its not boxed yet, but it has dual buffer pcb for input buffer and output blend, i desoldered R27 and put 50K pot, maybe ill add some small resistor in series with it
I'm thinking of using one of these in a busking amp I'm trying to build. Using a modified Supreaux as the preamp and using a small class D board as the power amp, running it all at 12v. (8 x C-cells) Has anyone tried running these boards at 12v?
The listing on AliExpress reckons that the board will run off 5-15V. There's a 78u05 regulator on the board, so it should be ok. At 12V the regulator will drop quite a lot of voltage, so you might find it gets hot.
If you were worried you could replace it with a 7805 in a TO220 package. The metal tab on those acts as a decent heatsink and they're well over-specced for a job like that so here'd be no danger of cooking it. But if it ain't broke, don't fix it - try it and see first.