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Title: KLON Centaur / Clones Charge Pump Differences
Post by: mickeybellinello on October 02, 2019, 08:30:43 AM
Hi to All,

I'm starting to built my own Klon clone. I ordered the Aion Refractor PCB which is the "verified" 1:1 copy of the original circuit.

I printed the "real one" and the "refactor" schematic and I see some changes in the power section:

Here's the original:

(https://i.ibb.co/3hC6stp/TWO.png) (https://imgbb.com/)

Here's the refractor one:

(https://i.ibb.co/3R9hbfk/ONE.png) (https://imgbb.com/)

As you can see the 1uf capacitor in the "refractor schematic" are 10uf, same thing with the original 47uf cap (C17)...

Why that?

Thanks so much!
Title: Re: KLON Centaur / Clones Charge Pump Differences
Post by: antonis on October 02, 2019, 09:01:37 AM
Different ICs..
Title: Re: KLON Centaur / Clones Charge Pump Differences
Post by: phasetrans on October 02, 2019, 12:19:28 PM
Quote from: antonis on October 02, 2019, 09:01:37 AM
Different ICs..

For the general edification of people using voltage converters. Microchip makes a "high" frequency version of this, the TC7660H. You can use smaller caps, the switching frequency is out of the audio band at 120kHz.
Title: Re: KLON Centaur / Clones Charge Pump Differences
Post by: mickeybellinello on October 03, 2019, 05:03:42 AM
Thanks to all,

so...if I use original values with original chip I'm right?
Title: Re: KLON Centaur / Clones Charge Pump Differences
Post by: antonis on October 04, 2019, 08:45:33 AM
As right as you should be by using replacement chip with replacement values..  :icon_wink:
(considering both extracted from manufacturer datasheets..)
Title: Re: KLON Centaur / Clones Charge Pump Differences
Post by: phasetrans on October 05, 2019, 11:30:22 AM
Quote from: mickeybellinello on October 03, 2019, 05:03:42 AM
Thanks to all,

so...if I use original values with original chip I'm right?

There's nothing magic in the circuit about this IC. It just supplies 18V by charging a cap to 9V and shoving the leg to 0V.

The original part is obsolete, and had a low switching frequency. The more modern part, with larger caps, will work better and shpuld have less ripple. Arguably the most important component choice here are the capacitors.

I suggest the TI 1044 data sheet, or the microchip 7660H data sheet for more information, and formulas to calculate ripple.