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Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Lurco on March 17, 2004, 05:43:17 PM
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Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Marcos - Munky on March 17, 2004, 05:46:56 PM
Maybe it's because this is the best place to talk about effects, and you can make lots of friends here. And people post their opinions about effects and how to improve them too.
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: niftydog on March 17, 2004, 06:05:16 PM
manufacturers get an idea of what is the latest "must-have" effect.  And a lot of us have bought thousands of dollars worth of equipment from these people; It pays to know what your good customers are saying about your products and what they are looking for next.
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Lurco on March 17, 2004, 06:07:46 PM
Isn`t Harmony Central the place for that?
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: gez on March 17, 2004, 06:10:10 PM
Look through the archives/stick around here long enough and once in a while you'll see the big guys bandy ideas around...seems that they benefit from coming here too!
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: MarkB on March 17, 2004, 06:14:11 PM
1. good feedback from people who really understand and use effects
2. good place to bounce/test ideas
3. good place to get ideas
4. good place to see what others are doing
5. just a darn nice place to hang out online.
"-)
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Samuel on March 17, 2004, 06:15:04 PM
Also, I'd imagine like any geeky hobby (or business I suppose) it's nice to have a place to shop-talk about it. I've glazed over many an eyeball talking to my friends about pedal building, or drumming, or guitar playing, or computer programming, etc etc etc...Sometimes you just need a place to geek out where everybody knows (if not your name ;)) just what you're talking about.
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Tim Escobedo on March 17, 2004, 06:17:43 PM
To steal ideas.

Put on your tinfoil hats!
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Paul Marossy on March 17, 2004, 06:20:03 PM
That's what I was gonna say, Tim, but I didn't want to sound like I was accusing anyone.

HarmonyCentral.com seems to be a good resource, but IMO, you sure have to wade thru a lot of BS to try to get a real idea of how a product really stacks up.
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: MarkB on March 17, 2004, 06:21:57 PM
I tried to be tactful by saying 'good place to GET ideas'

*cough* creamy dreamer *cough*
"-)
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Hal on March 17, 2004, 06:25:47 PM
its because _i'm_ here, and I'm cool.

I'm sure there are a lot who also are purely interested, and realize that there's tons left to learn.  Think about it, most of us are the kinds of people who would love to do this stuff for a living.  And even if you are, it doesn't make you a genious all of a sudden.
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: zachary vex on March 17, 2004, 06:30:45 PM
to get abused.
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: MarkB on March 17, 2004, 06:38:36 PM
..or in Zach's case... to watch people fight over his schematics
"-)
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Paul Marossy on March 17, 2004, 06:39:05 PM
"to get abused."

I stick up for you when I can, Z.
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: The Tone God on March 17, 2004, 06:41:15 PM
Quote from: zachary vexto get abused.

ROFL!!!!! :lol: There there, some of us still love you...but not in that way. :oops:

Andrew
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Tim Escobedo on March 17, 2004, 06:46:39 PM
Quote from: zachary vexto get abused.

You love it and you know it!
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: ExpAnonColin on March 17, 2004, 06:51:19 PM
In some cases to steal ideas, like myself, of course, and in other cases to contribute.

-Colin
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Lurco on March 17, 2004, 06:51:47 PM
QuoteTim Escobedo
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 12:17 am    Post subject:    

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To steal ideas.

Put on your tinfoil hats!
     


Paul Marossy
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 12:20 am    Post subject:    

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That's what I was gonna say, Tim, but I didn't want to sound like I was accusing anyone.


QuoteI stick up for you when I can, Z.

:?:  :?:
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Ansil on March 17, 2004, 07:06:25 PM
Quote from: Tim EscobedoTo steal ideas.

Put on your tinfoil hats!

exactly we all know of a particular builder who isn't big time yet but does sell out quickly of his "cloned pedals"
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Lurco on March 17, 2004, 07:09:50 PM
Quote from: anonymousexperimentalistIn some cases to steal ideas, like myself, of course, and in other cases to contribute.

-Colin

Maybe to prevent scenarios like this from another recent thread?
QuoteThese guys obviously visit this forum and don't mind ripping off the people who are regulars. They have original schematics from a variety of our forumites posted,
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Paul Marossy on March 17, 2004, 07:11:59 PM
Stick around Lurco, you'll figure out what we are all talking about.

A lot of people seem to like to bash Z. Vex, try to make clones of his stuff and post schematics against his wishes.

And there is a long list of others, as well, that fit into the same category.
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Ansil on March 17, 2004, 07:20:25 PM
Quote from: The Tone God
Quote from: zachary vexto get abused.

ROFL!!!!! :lol: There there, some of us still love you...but not in that way. :oops:

Andrew

i second that there TG.. and i wanted to say that Z has let me pick his braina few times.. and i have been grateful for his help.  i do think that he is underRated as a wicked builder designer and just a cool person with an all out whacky sense of humor.

lol and thats not just cause i am trying to get a nano.. lol
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: javacody on March 17, 2004, 07:31:25 PM
Z made my cry. In chat one morning at 4:13 AM, he said I use a Swedish Pump. He thinks he is gods gift to effects but he doesn't even hang out with Prince. I'm going to go buy all of his pedals and hit em with a hammer.   :lol:
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: brett on March 17, 2004, 08:00:45 PM
Swedish Pump ???

Must be some cultural difference that I don't understand??

Quotezachary vex wrote:
to get abused.


You love it and you know it!

Like most folk, Mr Z probably likes a little pleasure as well as a little pain.  I hope we don't cross the line where we abuse him too much and he goes away.

Lately, I've been selling a few pedals (like just a couple, really).  It's made me understand the pressure that some builders might feel when they visit the forum.  Suddenly I feel like I'm stealing ideas if I use an idea for 2 pedals (one for me and one to sell).  And some of my pedals are fairly close to things like tubescreamers and bluesbreakers.  So when people are derogatory about the clone-makers, I feel a bit ashamed.

On the other hand, I publish and discuss everything I build/modify (e.g. the Miss Piggy), so I'm not keeping any secret intellectual property.  I figure that all I'm doing is providing a pedal-building service to those people who wouldn't know one end of a soldering iron from the other.

Ah....I feel a little better now I've got that off my chest...
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: javacody on March 17, 2004, 08:04:27 PM
Brett, ever seen Austin Powers? Right after they wake him up?

Also, don't be ashamed of selling your pedals. You are offering people a service. You are giving them something that they probably couldn't or wouldn't do for themselves. I doubt you are getting rich off of it.  :)
Title: how it goes?
Post by: petemoore on March 17, 2004, 08:24:59 PM
1 You Get A new [to you] Idea
 2 You wonder if you're the first to do so ... [get That ^ Idea]
 3 You post the idea in the form of a unconentional question for a beginnerat Aron's, it gets lost.
 4 You see the same thing [with some mods] with a much better presentation take off under a different post
 5 You figure it was such an obvious thing, it was only a matter of time before someone much more knowing of these things [than yourself at the time] would find, experiment, test, and perfect it [if possible], and that it had no link to the post that originally only posed a question referring to the technique...
 6 in the long run you like the idea that ideas can be passed around, different 'takes' on the theme produce new ideas..etc
    ...after all, didn't we ALL hear one say as we oogled a car as kids "Wow, I wonder how much faster it would go with TWO engines in there"
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Jered on March 17, 2004, 08:37:49 PM
...to make sure Zach gets his fair share of abuse.....:^)
 Jered
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: RDV on March 17, 2004, 08:45:39 PM
...I just want a lovely administrative assistant with long legs...

to heck with effects

RDV
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Brian Marshall on March 17, 2004, 09:32:28 PM
I think a lot of the commercial builders love what they do, and to some extent like to help us little guys get started.

there is so much more to running a successful business than just simply making something and selling it.  a guy like z.vex has to deal with distributors, payroll, employees.  if you want to get to the big time, or even sort of big time in any business you have to deal with all of these.  there's already a billion people in china that will solder pedals (and lots of other things too) together for $0.02 per hour.  I think that online forums like this one help to promote a lot of boutique builders business indirectly, just by letting people know.... you have options other than the stuff they sell at guitar center.

I know i have said this before, but z.vex actually helped me get started by pointing me to some good books and such.

then maybe there is the other possibilities... maybe they like they like the ego boost of people idolizing them....  maybe they are just internet addicts, and they cant help it.
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: brett on March 17, 2004, 09:36:34 PM
Quote...I just want a lovely administrative assistant with long legs...

I have some of those at work.   :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:  Building effects in my spare time is a way of getting my hormone levels back to near-normal....  So why would you build pedals if you really want women?
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Paul Marossy on March 17, 2004, 10:02:27 PM
Lovely administrative assistant? I have one of those... my wife!
She reminds me all of the stuff that needs to be done that I don't want to do or forget about. I suppose every business needs something similar...

I guess I have it easy. I just stay up too late fiddling with this or that and I'm not trying to make money with this stuff. I know it would be hard to make $27 an hour and provide health insurance for my whole family building these little boxes that the average musician doesn't want to pay more than $40 for. So I guess I keep my day job. I really do admire people like Z. Vex who can actually do it.
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Roland on March 18, 2004, 12:24:32 AM
Why? This is the place! Where else can you find a melting pot of knowledgable effects buiders of all calibers just shooting the electronic light fantastic.

All the so called professional designers all started as diy techs, be they formally trained or not and that just adds so much to this forum. Sure some get abused more than others but that seems to be the cost of a strong internet presence mixed in with a little jealousy, and stompbox envy from the abuser.

Another neat thing is the schematics archive. I know I've had the situation quite a few times where I'm presented with an obscure effect that needs repairing and it is handy to know what it was before someone easter egged there way thru it.

Where else can you even as a pro designer ask a question and immediatly have five or so intelligent responses. You can go to other forums but they are so general with very few diy'ers and mostly cater to end users discussing too many subjective topics.

There seems to be a real good balance here of pro, amateur and beginner effects builders/designers here to make it a valuable asset for all.
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: puretube on March 18, 2004, 03:04:04 AM
funny thread...
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: amz-fx on March 18, 2004, 08:09:22 AM
QuoteSo why would you build pedals if you really want women?
because pedals are lower maintenance...

-Jack
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Doug H on March 18, 2004, 08:39:06 AM
Quote from: amz-fx
QuoteSo why would you build pedals if you really want women?
because pedals are lower maintenance...

-Jack

And when you get tired of hearing it, you just press the switch...

Doug
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: gez on March 18, 2004, 08:41:47 AM
Yeah, but which one creates the most noise?
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: RDV on March 18, 2004, 09:11:44 AM
Quote from: brettSo why would you build pedals if you really want women?
Both are necessary evils. My lovely administrative assistant has short, fat legs though. The grass is always greener you know. I was refering to the Z.Vex slide show that Ansil has on his posts. On one of them them Z says, "You're really looking at Amada's long legs, aren't you". Yes. I was.

Here's to Women & Effects

RDV
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Paul Marossy on March 18, 2004, 10:27:01 AM
That's funny!
Less maintenence. And you can switch them off.
Too funny!  :lol:
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Fret Wire on March 18, 2004, 10:38:15 AM
Quote from: Paul MarossyThat's funny!
Less maintenence. And you can switch them off.
Too funny!  :lol:

And opt not to replace their batteries!

They like to be stomped on!

They don't get upset if you spill a little beer on them!

When they get boring, a new chip will make them hot...like new!

You can play with the knobs all day long!

Easier to get rid of......eBay!
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Peter Snowberg on March 18, 2004, 10:40:40 AM
Quote from: Paul MarossyThat's funny!
Less maintenence. And you can switch them off.
Too funny!  :lol:
I prefer both when "switched on". Maybe I'm just odd.

Take care,
-Peter
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: MarkB on March 18, 2004, 10:44:38 AM
QuoteAnd opt not to replace their batteries!

They like to be stomped on!

They don't get upset if you spill a little beer on them!

When they get boring, a new chip will make them hot...like new!

You can play with the knobs all day long!

Easier to get rid of......eBay!

don't forget that you can plug them as much as you like... and even lend them to your friends to plug them... heck, you can even plug em in public places without them minding (though some women actually dig that, too.. but I digress)

*ducks*
"-)
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: casey on March 18, 2004, 10:49:18 AM
i am surprised that no one has said anything about how most of
z. vex's effects are nothing like what you find on the forum....
or any other effects site......

here's some examples:

the nano head, fuzz, wah, and tremelo probe, lofi loop junky,
seek wah, ooh wah

i would venture to guess that the "boutique" builders are around
because they like the hobby.
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: AL on March 18, 2004, 10:49:36 AM
MarkB you live in a much better place than I.  I've gotta move to Florida.

AL
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Fret Wire on March 18, 2004, 10:50:00 AM
....And you can plug them anywhere in the chain, and the most they ask for is a buffer.

They don't mind if I stay out with my buddies Fender and Marshall!

Hell, they like to come along!

I can put bigger knobs on them for less than 5 bucks!!!! :D
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Mark Hammer on March 18, 2004, 11:14:59 AM
It's ironic that there is always one or two threads a year here and on Ampage from people who are pondering branching out from making pedals for themselves into a "business".  Some take the leap and succeed, some leap and fall, some stand perpetually at the precipice teetering, and some walk up to the edge, look down and back away.  All just "regular folks" with an itch they would love to be able to scratch for a living (or maybe so that their "living" doesn't have to take too much time away from scratching).  I doubt whether a single one ever approached consideration of a pedal business the way people end up running a convenience store, or selling cars, or a lot of other different fields where what you sell is not really guided by any sort of dream.

The irony is that once someone crosses over the boundary of thinking about it to doing, all of a sudden they cease to be a "regular guy" and become thought of as a "designer" or "manufacturer".  Yeah, right, and a fuzz box with 500 units sold per year will plunk you immediately and directly in the seat of a Mazerati parked in front of one of those houses you see on Miami Vice or a porn flick or music video.  Money for nuthin and chicks for free.

People DO this for a living largely because they have a hard time *stopping* thinking about stompboxes, so why shouldn't it surprise anyone that they come to a place where they can continue talking about them?  I'll bet Ton's bench and workspace doesn't look a helluva lot different than mine or Mike Irwin's or Joe Gagan's (well, theirs may be a bit neater; I was recently the winner of a "Messiest Office" award at a work-related gathering :oops: ).  "Designers" flip through current issues of magazines, see a pedal and think "nice set of features on that one" (and probably look at the filament in those Tube Store ads too!! :lol: ).

They come here because there is no one to talk to when you're toiling away in your basement or the spare bedroom of your 2-bedroom apartment..
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Fret Wire on March 18, 2004, 11:52:57 AM
Mark, it's like that in any hobby that you try to persue as a living. There's a high failure rate, just because of the emotional attachment to the work. People forget that there has to be a business side also. Take restrurants, they have one of the highest failure rates. "I can, and love to cook, so I'll start one". I grew up in that business, successful too, but many weren't. I'm an accomplished Ametuer Gunsmith (self-taught since early teens). I did a successful trial run awhile back to see if it was worth persuing upon my retirement (at age 46 :) ). The work itself wasn't the challenge, the detachment from the love of the work was.

What's that field have to do with pedals? They are usually started by someone'e extreme passion for the hobby. Luckily, in that field, there are tons of books devoted to getting started in the business. Every good book will start out with a shop layout, equipment, hours, and the business end in general.
More importantly, any good book will always devote a chapter to recognizing the hobby/business separation problem that plagues the field. It's one of the few small business fields that recognizes, and addresses this problem. I could take one of these chapters, omit the firearm references, substitute pedals, and it would really hit home.  Of course, firearms are controversial to some, but that's not the point of this reply. It's that you may enter this field for the love of the work, but you'll fail if you don't treat it like a business.
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: B Tremblay on March 18, 2004, 11:56:51 AM
Quote from: Mark Hammer...I'll bet Ton's bench and workspace doesn't look a helluva lot different than mine or Mike Irwin's or Joe Gagan's...

(http://home-wrecker.com/solderjoe.jpg)
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: puretube on March 18, 2004, 12:25:05 PM
no comment....

(http://www.pure-tube-technology.de/workbench055.jpg)
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Doug H on March 18, 2004, 12:31:48 PM
Quote from: Fret WireWhat's that field have to do with pedals? They are usually started by someone'e extreme passion for the hobby. Luckily, in that field, there are tons of books devoted to getting started in the business. Every good book will start out with a shop layout, equipment, hours, and the business end in general.
More importantly, any good book will always devote a chapter to recognizing the hobby/business separation problem that plagues the field. It's one of the few small business fields that recognizes, and addresses this problem. I could take one of these chapters, omit the firearm references, substitute pedals, and it would really hit home.  Of course, firearms are controversial to some, but that's not the point of this reply. It's that you may enter this field for the love of the work, but you'll fail if you don't treat it like a business.

Those are excellent points.

I think something that is related to this is that when you are doing this as a hobby you are afforded several luxuries that someone in business doesn't have. Beyond the obvious things, like being able to put it down whenever you want and etc, I think a big luxury we enjoy is that of being in a permanent state of design/prototyping. Shoot, I have so many ideas and different things I want to try, I could keep myself busy 12 hrs a day for a very long time, just doing the design/prototyping activity alone.

But beyond the time spent on the business aspects, you also have to share your enthusiasm for design with more than a passing interest in manufacturing if you're going to do this for a living. Working the problems associated with producing X number of widgets per month to meet your quota is a completely different set of thought processes than what is involved in dreaming up your next cool design. The emphasis then shifts to efficiency, consistency, and repeatability, as well as reliability and road-worthiness. Those can be fun and interesting challenges in their own way as well, but are a far cry from the kind of concerns we have producing one-offs as a hobby.

I think my dream job would be to be part of a design team for this kind of gear. But when you are starting your own business, you get to do it all for a while anyway. Until you can afford to hire others, that is. This is not meant to be a discouragement either. I think passion counts for a lot, and can go a long way in carrying you through the mundane, as well as bad times. But it is important to be aware of the realities of what you have to pay attention to if you want to be successful.

Doug
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Paul Marossy on March 18, 2004, 12:35:28 PM
Nice parts bins, puretube.  8)

My bench looks messy like that when I am in the middle of a project sometimes. But, I always clean it up when I am done. Got to keep stuff out of the hands of my two year old...

BT - Say, is that Joe Gagan soldering away?

Here's what mine looks like when I am not working there:
I have some parts bins along the wall now, not shown in this picture. I know, I am extraordinarily neat. Always have been a neat and tidy kind of guy...

(http://www.diyguitarist.com/Images/Workbench.jpg)
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: B Tremblay on March 18, 2004, 12:52:46 PM
Quote from: Paul MarossyBT - Say, is that Joe Gagan soldering away?

It sure is.  I visited the Nine Volt Nirvana research lab a while back.
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: RDV on March 18, 2004, 12:54:43 PM
OT - Why did Joe G. stop coming here?

Regards

RDV
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Doug H on March 18, 2004, 01:04:24 PM
Quote from: RDVOT - Why did Joe G. stop coming here?

Regards

RDV

I think he's just -real- busy right now.

(He's got a lot of b*lls, soldering with that nice homemade guitar in his lap, BTW...)

Doug
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Mark Hammer on March 18, 2004, 01:08:56 PM
Those pictures are frighteningly familiar.  Well, except for the last one which is frighteningly UNfamiliar!  :oops:  :lol:
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: B Tremblay on March 18, 2004, 01:27:48 PM
Quote from: Doug H(He's got a lot of b*lls, soldering with that nice homemade guitar in his lap, BTW...)

Well, to be honest, the photo was posed and the iron wasn't even turned on.  But Joe said that is how he usually worked.

It was really great to meet Joe and hang out for a bit.  No jamming, since he only has lefty guitars, but he did give me some Ge trannies and some silver mica caps.

Here's the rest of the photos from that day: http://home-wrecker.com/nvn.html
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Paul Marossy on March 18, 2004, 01:28:58 PM
Well, that was also when I first created my work bench, which was created a few months ago. It's still kept neat and tidy when I'm not working there. I guess it's one of the things I actually have control over, so I like to keep it how I want it. The rest of the house, well, there's toys strewn all over the place and baby stuff, and it's kind of messy a lot of the time.
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: RDV on March 18, 2004, 02:43:08 PM
I actually cleaned my bench(desk) last night!
That don't happen too very often!

Regards

RDV
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Doug H on March 18, 2004, 02:46:37 PM
Quote from: B TremblayWell, to be honest, the photo was posed and the iron wasn't even turned on.  But Joe said that is how he usually worked.


I've soldered a few times with my guitar strapped on (I stand at my bench- don't have a chair). So that pic of Joe made me feel better. :D (I try to keep myself from doing that kind of stuff most of the time- it's a constant struggle to try not to be in a hurry.)

Joe is a great guy and does beautiful work. I like the pic of the breadboard on the back of the amp. Something feels real familiar about that...

It's nice to see benches of the pros and hobbyists alike, and realize most of them are just as messy as mine. I feel a *lot* better now... :D

Doug
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: casey on March 18, 2004, 05:46:23 PM
HEY PURETUBE,

is that a sovtek mig 50 on your bench ?  i love that amp.  i've had one
for a few years and it's built like a tank (except for the plastic switches,
in which by the way have stood up to road abuse).  that amp is the
best buy for 250 bucks.....all russian tube loveliness......

:wink:
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: WGTP on March 18, 2004, 06:10:10 PM
Most off us are not into manufacturing and retail sales, just making cool devices.  The necessary evil of making money.......  8)
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: javacody on March 18, 2004, 06:23:09 PM
Doug, you don't seriously care whether or not other people have clean or dirty benches, do you?  ;)
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: troubledtom on March 18, 2004, 07:10:00 PM
why do a lot of men go out on their wifes? why is the world an unfair place?
why do kids talk back? why does god allow nice/good people to suffer? why
i'm i writing this? why is hemmo p. not on this forum anymore? why do people speed? why do we go to war? who do i vote for ,liar 1 or liar 2?
why.. who ..how ..and when?
      hell, this could take all day,
                   - tom :?
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Paul Perry (Frostwave) on March 18, 2004, 07:24:51 PM
Quote from: javacodyDoug, you don't seriously care whether or not other people have clean or dirty benches, do you?  ;)

What really matters, is whether you personally can find what you need, when you want it, right away. It's cool to have stuff strewn everywhere, if you can remember exactly where it is strewn.
The only actual research I ever saw on this topic was regarding managers desks, it turned out that the desks with the most paper on belonged to managers with higher productivity. But I think that it all depends on the person involved. "One size never fits all".
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Doug H on March 18, 2004, 09:20:46 PM
Quote from: javacodyDoug, you don't seriously care whether or not other people have clean or dirty benches, do you?  ;)

Naw, not really. Notice the smileys...

Doug
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Triffid on March 18, 2004, 10:16:19 PM
Since were talking about workbenches... my wife says I need to get a real one and quit taking up the computer desk :)

http://www.castagno.org/wb.jpg -- (kind of a big pic)
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: javacody on March 18, 2004, 10:26:07 PM
What you really need is a place to put your simpsons calendar and a beer holder.  :)
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: puretube on March 19, 2004, 02:58:01 AM
Quote from: caseyHEY PURETUBE,

is that a sovtek mig 50 on your bench ?  i love that amp.  i've had one
.....all russian tube loveliness......
:wink:

in fact, you can see that exact amp, the day I bought it at Frankfurt MusikMesse `98 from Mike Matthews (E-H/Sovtek Boss),
who brought it to my small booth; -showing off our products -

http://www.pure-tube-technology.de/MM98-MT1.jpg
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: casey on March 19, 2004, 12:09:22 PM
that's a great picture.....  :lol:

i retubed mine with some electoharmonix tubes after the
originals went caput...and it sounds awesome.

point to point wiring on alot of it too.  i cant get over how affordable
they are.  my next amp will be the all wood sovtek......  those are
super cool, and the loudest 50 watts ive heard in a while.

by the way, i love the o.d. channel on mine but the only thing
that it wont do is when you plug a 1/4" in both the high and low inputs
the amp will not work....i want to a/b the clean and the overdrive
inputs.....is there a mod where i can do this?  thanks.
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: puretube on March 19, 2004, 12:34:27 PM
does it work "a little bit", i.e. very low volume?
i.i.r.c., those 2 channels are very similar, and wired in parallel
going to the next stage;
so it would cancel, when both inputs get the same signal;
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: keko on March 19, 2004, 01:22:45 PM
Quote from: RDV...I just want a lovely administrative assistant with long legs...

to heck with effects

RDV

Don't you get enought with 3 legged trannys?  :twisted:
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: casey on March 19, 2004, 01:26:11 PM
"does it work "a little bit", i.e. very low volume? "

nope, not even a little.  it totally shuts it off.
i would to be able to a/b them and even blend them.
that would be great.
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: puretube on March 19, 2004, 01:47:22 PM
gotta go gigging...
maybe find the schem over the weekend...
have a good one!
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: casey on March 19, 2004, 03:01:52 PM
thanks puretube.....

God Bless You...
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: BillyJ on March 19, 2004, 03:06:13 PM
QuoteDon't you get enought with 3 legged trannys?

Ewe!!!.....Er I mean Eeew!!
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: puretube on May 03, 2004, 12:26:20 PM
hi casey - sorry for the long delay (have been working on delay-stuff :lol:  ).

with mine, I can put the same or 2 diff. signals into the 2 jacks,
and blend them, i.e. individually dial in 2 diff. volume settings.
(i.e.: they neither shut the other input off).

Still haven`t found the schematic yet - but anyway: that wouldn`t
show the difference between your and my amps.

Guess they used switching (shorting to ground) jacks in yours...
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: casey on May 03, 2004, 03:56:23 PM
pure tube,

thanks for the reply, so do i just change the input jacks to regular
jacks or what...and also do i use a resistor on the input so that
i can blend the two?  what im wanting to do is to have a combination
blend channel and a/b switch....
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: puretube on May 03, 2004, 04:13:54 PM
my MIG 50 is as is from the factory -dunno bout yours - but that one seems to be different - you should take a look - those jacks would be one reason/explanation for the behaviour of your amp compared with mine.
mine don`t short/interrupt.

Actually both channels have a separate triode section and volume-pot, and get mixed (added) at their outputs.
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: casey on May 03, 2004, 04:23:24 PM
how would i do that?
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: puretube on May 03, 2004, 04:29:53 PM
that would take a look at the insides: 4 screws at the bottom, and take off the grille on the backside >after unplugging the mains!<.

If there were no shipping costs involved, I`d say: send me yours-I`ll send you mine....
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: casey on May 03, 2004, 04:43:21 PM
that's cool....

ill try to take a pic. or something......  ive got a schem. too.
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Gary on May 03, 2004, 05:07:19 PM
Casey, is your amp a Mig 50 or a Mig 50H?  The Mig 50H is different than the Mig 50 puretube has in his photo.  The Mig 50 is only slightly different than the classic JTM45/non-master volume Super Lead Marshalls. They have no master volume, just a volume I and a volume II.   I have one of the original series with the mis-spelling on it.  It is a great sounding amp.  It's blowing fuses now, even with tubes not in the sockets, so I have a rectifier or transformer issue.  Atleast that's what I think it is.  One day, I'll get around to fixing it.  

Any pointers on where to start looking, puretube?  It blows a fuse as soon as the mains switch is turned on.  I obviously have a short to ground somewhere, but there are no signs of arcing.
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: puretube on May 03, 2004, 05:17:58 PM
desolder the primary output-transformer wires*, pull out he power tubes, (*after having discharged the HV-caps), "boot" the amp: if it still blows the fuse, it`s the PS.
If not, we`ll have an output-transformer/powertubes- session.
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: casey on May 03, 2004, 05:43:49 PM
it has 2 inputs but a "gain" and a "volume" if my memory serves
me correct.
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: puretube on May 03, 2004, 05:54:15 PM
mine is not an "H" version, got 2 inputs, vol1, vol2, bass, mid, treb, presence knobs, like Gary described.
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: casey on May 03, 2004, 06:07:43 PM
whats the difference between the one with the "h" and the one without?
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: puretube on May 04, 2004, 02:14:59 AM
don`t know the diff.;
maybe Gary can tell;
b.t.w.: which mis-spelling?
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Gary on May 04, 2004, 09:44:34 AM
The Mig50 "H" has a MASTER VOLUME control.  It came after the Mig 50 and has a volume control after the tone stack.  It has a gain control after the second preamp stage.  The Mig50 "H" was sometimes called the Tube Midget, since it was a little smaller than the older Mig 50.  The "H" model does have two inputs, but it has an input setup like the Boogie Mk I.  That is, the hot channel has an extra stage that feeds straight into the normal channel.  When you run into the normal channel, this extra gain stage is shunted.

From Blueguitar.org, here are the schems:

Mig 50 "H"
http://www.blueguitar.org/new/schem/sovtek/mig-50h.gif

Original Mig 50
http://www.blueguitar.org/new/schem/sovtek/mig-50.pdf

Look at how the inputs are wired.

Hope this helps!

Puretube,
My Mig50 has the white plastic Mains and Standby switches.  They mis-spelled Presence on the front panel.  It is labelled "Presense."  I am told this was fixed on later units.  Mine is a PCB, not wired point to point.  I have seen a few of these amps, and I have not seen the first one wired point to point.  They have ceramic tube sockets that are chassis mounted.  I bought mine for 200 USD new in the box.  I really wish Mr. Matthews would bring these amps back into production at a similar price point.

Thanks for the starting point.  I'll work on it soon.
Title: and now back on topic...sort of.
Post by: RDV on May 04, 2004, 10:00:31 AM
...for the beer & the babes!

RDV
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: casey on May 04, 2004, 10:08:09 AM
mine must be the "h" version because it says "tube midget" on in.

it has a gain and master volume...

so what type of mod do i do on it so that i can use both inputs at
the same time?  or is this impossible with this amp?
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: puretube on May 04, 2004, 10:56:01 AM
casey: in your case that would take more effort than I can take time for
(in fact you`d have to rewire the jacks, and take the output from the first stage`s plate-cap not to the gridcircuit of the second tube, but to the same point where the second stage`s plate-cap goes...).

Gary: thanx for the misspelling info: didn`t know that.
Mine (2 of`em) are written correct /and for the rest are like your description.

Be assured that I have tried to persuade Mr. Matthews... but there seemed
to have been some issues with continuing quality-production of the transformers; (and they are the main price-factor).

But never say never!
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: casey on May 04, 2004, 11:31:48 AM
hey i wouldnt mind having one of those all-wood sovteks with the
all wood cab... those are cool... 8)
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: Gary on May 04, 2004, 02:05:16 PM
Quote from: puretube
Be assured that I have tried to persuade Mr. Matthews... but there seemed
to have been some issues with continuing quality-production of the transformers; (and they are the main price-factor).

But never say never!

I contacted EH/New Sensor about a replacement output transformer, in case that is the problem.  The replacement was somewhat expensive, so I understand why he is concerned with price.  Still, I would love to see these go back into production.  Keep chipping away, maybe he will find a clever solution to the transformer issue.
Title: Daffy Duck
Post by: petemoore on May 04, 2004, 02:13:57 PM
Daffy has the most accurate pronunciation of the word professional.
 Because, ....Shpir,.   I.. ..I Am, a phphphphPhRoPHeshshional...
 I Phrophess to know more than the average Duck !!
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: puretube on May 04, 2004, 04:25:10 PM
What used to be the topic of this funny thread?  :?:  8)  :?:  :lol:
Title: WHY do the professional effectsdesigners come to this place?
Post by: RDV on May 04, 2004, 04:42:54 PM
Quote from: puretubeWhat used to be the topic of this funny thread?  :?:  8)  :?:  :lol:
.ecalp siht ot emoc srengisedtceffe lanoisseforp eht od YHW

sdrageR

VDR