Emulation of Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier Solo Head
It combines characteristics from orange and red channel
sounds great.ultra high gain although i prefer it with the gain pot at 12 o clock max for a great rock lead.
if you find it too gainy(even though it is as gainy as the amp)
read this topic about lowering the gain of fet emus.it might be a cool mod to have less-gain switch.
http://www.diystompboxes.com/sboxforum/viewtopic.php?t=28810
(http://geocities.com/electrictabs/dr.boogey.png)
That looks great ! are you the next "ROG" perhaps ? :wink:
Thanks for sharing,
Marty. 8)
Nice work electrictabs! My emu build list grows yet again.
I hope Bucksears draws a layout for this one So I can build it, I've already built the last 2, JCM800 and Boogeyman MKIIC, Great work.
haha, i was working on doing a straight emulation of that as well. nvm that, get a layout up man! that looks great! could you get some sound samples?
also, the beauty of this is that you could socket the components that distinguish red and orange, and even add in the "raw" and "vintage" switches quite easily.
Before I run out and grab a bunch of parts....
1. Anyone have a ranking of the JCM800 and two Mesa sims? I'm not trying to start a war, just curious.
2. These circuits look relatively large to me in schematic form - are they not as suitable for perfboaring?
3. Anyone have any pics of their JCM800 or 2 Mesa sims?
Very cool electrictabs!!! 8) 8) 8)
Hey Doc !!! I need some boost !!! You got any ??? ....Yeahhh 8)
Quote from: MartyMartThat looks great ! are you the next "ROG" perhaps ? :wink:
Thanks for sharing,
Marty. 8)
No i never meant to be the next ROG
Those guys (and Doug) are the teachers or masters should i say
i am one of the many students who loved their emu circuits and is trying to make his own...
thanks for all the kind word guys
i owe you some soundclips of Dr.Boogey and JCM-800 emu coming probably at the end of the week
The PCB layout I have at http://216.250.178.122/circuit/wrecktumflinger/index.html should work for this emulation. The only change is the resistor marked R1 should be bypassed with a jumper. I have another version that I am updating with soon that removes some of the switches and simplifies the tone stack, but most of that can be accomplished with this layout also.
looks good...i might have to build that one soon :)
rawk on !
looks great!
it makes me more determined to finish my proto's of the orange ad30 and slo-100 amps... too many circuits not enough time i say!
william:
i was just looking at your layout and noticed you have P4 connected on both outside lugs, but nothing connected to the wiper. This will just give the total value of the pot no matter where you turn it (im not sure what it does either.. volume?)
trent
If I may propose another way of doing a circuit like this,...
Firstly, the cool thing about FETs is that they have a max gain similar to that of a tube (35-40db), as well as the fact they they're both voltage controlled current sources. So sticking the same value components around a FET as the tube should give you the same ball-park behaviour. The only problem is the fact that FET won't be biased correctly.
Varying the source resistor to get the correct operating point affects the gain of the circuit. Another way to do it would be to vary the drain resistor to get the correct operating point. The only problem with this is that you'd also change the frequency response of the stage (since you're have a different RC constant).
So here's a better way to do it:
Let's say that you want to build the first stage of a recto amp, which consists of a 220k plate resistor, a 1M grid resistor, a 1.8k cathode resistor with a 1uf cathode cap to ground. The FET circuit would have a 220k source resistor, a 1M gate resistor. Now here's the good bit. The drain would be connected to a trim pot (250k will do) and a very high value cap, at least 22uF. The other end of the trimpot goes to ground, and it's wired up as a variable resistor. The other end of the high value cap goes to the network from the real tube stage, namely a 1.8k resistor in parallel with the 1uF cap both connected to ground.
To set-up the circuit you'd adjust the trim-pot till the source DC voltage read 4.5V (for a 9V main rail). Now the circuit is biased correctly, and the AC equivalent circuit is exactly like the tube circuit, since the trim-pot will probably be set at about 150k, and the low frequency drain resistance will 1.8k||150k which is about 1.8k. This will go to 0 as the cap starts to pass signal.
Just one word about emulating tube circuits with this type of config,... obviously a tube circuit had much more head-room, so building exactly the same circuit with the same gain will result in way too much distortion (since the FET circuit runs off 9V, while the tube runs off about 400V). Luckily, the ratio of tube to FEt operating voltages (say 400 tp 9) is about 33db, which is the same gain as a tyipcal tube stage. In other words, removing the first FET stage and replacing it with a voltage follower should do the trick.
well, way too much distortion sounds right up my alley, i have a fender stage 160, and it sucks the distortion right out of my MXR distortion plus. the preamp kills it, i can run the pedal into the cabs and it sounds ok, but the preamp sucks distortion, so this looks like a good build. electrictabs, do you have any clips up yet??
Quote from: michael_ibrahimIf I may propose another way of doing a circuit like this,...
Firstly, the cool thing about FETs is that they have a max gain similar to that of a tube (35-40db), as well as the fact they they're both voltage controlled current sources. So sticking the same value components around a FET as the tube should give you the same ball-park behaviour. The only problem is the fact that FET won't be biased correctly.
>>>? What is a voltage controlled current source? Does this have no terminological reference to an FET 'source'? Does it mean voltage goes in the gate and larger current is output from the Drain?
Varying the source resistor to get the correct operating point affects the gain of the circuit. Another way to do it would be to vary the drain resistor to get the correct operating point. The only problem with this is that you'd also change the frequency response of the stage (since you're have a different RC constant).
So here's a better way to do it:
Let's say that you want to build the first stage of a recto amp, which consists of a 220k plate resistor, a 1M grid resistor, a 1.8k cathode resistor with a 1uf cathode cap to ground. The FET circuit would have a 220k source resistor, a 1M gate resistor. Now here's the good bit. The drain would be connected to a trim pot (250k will do) and a very high value cap, at least 22uF. The other end of the trimpot goes to ground, and it's wired up as a variable resistor. The other end of the high value cap goes to the network from the real tube stage, namely a 1.8k resistor in parallel with the 1uF cap both connected to ground.
>>>I can't follow, I see the Drain going through a resistor to ground, or...Hmmm...no possibility of a reference schem snippet?
To set-up the circuit you'd adjust the trim-pot till the source DC voltage read 4.5V (for a 9V main rail). Now the circuit is biased correctly, and the AC equivalent circuit is exactly like the tube circuit, since the trim-pot will probably be set at about 150k, and the low frequency drain resistance will 1.8k||150k which is about 1.8k. This will go to 0 as the cap starts to pass signal.
Just one word about emulating tube circuits with this type of config,... obviously a tube circuit had much more head-room, so building exactly the same circuit with the same gain will result in way too much distortion (since the FET circuit runs off 9V, while the tube runs off about 400V). Luckily, the ratio of tube to FEt operating voltages (say 400 tp 9) is about 33db, which is the same gain as a tyipcal tube stage. In other words, removing the first FET stage and replacing it with a voltage follower should do the trick.
I used highlight, copy...puter gets stuck for some reason, wouldn't past, back don't werk...sorry for the long quote /short questions, actually I have more questions, just don't know how to phrase them concisely yet.
Man, Electrictabs!!!!
See, this is making it harder and harder to NOT just go out and get a clean amp (Fender Bassman LTD) for my next amp. I've been considering amps with tube distortion: the Traynor YCV50Blue, the Peavey JSX combo and (not yet released) Valve Kings. But all of these emulator pedals and a great clean amp are quite a temptation.
We're expecting a LOT of snow here this weekend in NC, so I will more than likely have time to whip up another PCB.
Great work, Electrictabs!!
That's great Bucksears, I've been waiting for this, I used your last 2 layouts which worked great, thankyou so much for takeing the time to draw all this up so people like me and others are able to build these great pedals electrictabbs is creating. :)
Quote from: BucksearsMan, Electrictabs!!!!
See, this is making it harder and harder to NOT just go out and get a clean amp (Fender Bassman LTD) for my next amp. I've been considering amps with tube distortion: the Traynor YCV50Blue, the Peavey JSX combo and (not yet released) Valve Kings. But all of these emulator pedals and a great clean amp are quite a temptation.
We're expecting a LOT of snow here this weekend in NC, so I will more than likely have time to whip up another PCB.
Great work, Electrictabs!!
While I think that tube preamps can be well emulated, I'm still a big fan of tube power sections.
I've been lurking for quite some time and have been thoroughly impressed with the projects that I've seen here. I undertook this project over the weekend and must say that the build was really not that difficult. I used the original circuit board design that was posted by Electrictabs on his website and wired jumpers in place of the switches as per Bucksears' slimmed down version, but I'm having a bit of an issue, which is what prompted me to register and post now.
I've built many circuit projects in the past, but never anything Audio in nature until this project. I just finally got sick and tired of listening to my crappy Crate practice amp distortion and took on this build before I threw the amp out the window in frustration, figuring if I can get this circuit to run properly, I could simply run the Crate clean and have a pretty nice sound.
I have audio, meaning I hear everything just fine, but I've been playing with the trimpots for the better part of the entire evening and can't seem to get the great overdriven sound that I've heard posted. There's a ton of gain, but right when I get to the threshold of the sweet distortion, I get a squealing, much like a stuck pig. I'm a complete Noob to JFets, so I have no idea how to set the pots on this circuit. I saw the earlier posting about source voltage and tried it that way, but still end up pretty clean for some reason. I've tried searching for similar projects that explain this procedure and have come up dry. That's not to say they don't exist, but rather I can't seem to find them.
Can anyone point me in the right direction? Have pity on a noob.... Please give me a clue on how to dial this thing in...
Thanks a ton and keep up the awesome work!
Bob
HI
first of all the circuit board that works for the schem i posted is the one Bucksears created(search forum)
another board that was posted some time ago was not posted from me or Bucksears but from another person reffering to a slightly different schem.
So check out that you have the proper board...
if get it right when you say squealing you mean an awful noise...
check if you biased the fets right (measure half of the supply voltage at fet's drain)
if that's ok then i guess that if you house the circuit in a metal box and with proper grounding then you won't have any issues.
Electrictabs,
Thanks for the response! I REALLY appreciate it!
I'll go ahead and double check the fet biasing as well as the board schem... Now that I looked at the circuit with fresh morning eyes (with plenty of coffee) I might also have a flakey cap in there... in any case, come hell or high water, it'll be done today!
Thanks again for a very nice build. I love the sound you got out of it and it sounds exactly like what I am looking for! Great Job!!!
Bob
Well, on the third PCB I tried, I got THE sound. Holy Crap that sounds good! The latest PCB from Bucksears is THE one! Thanks to both Electrictabs and Bucksears for their hard work in putting this circuit together. I used Orange Drops for the bulk of the capacitors with the exceptions being Micas. I know, WAY overkill, but I've always stood by them with very positive results. It was a VERY tight fit, but it all crammed together rather nicely. I have a part number listing for Mouser if anyone would like one, for an entire project from start to finish as a pedal, right down to the little rubber pads for the bottom of the pedal.
Thanks guys! You REALLY helped me make this $100 crapola GC amp REALLY Boogey... It flat out ROCKS now!!! I guess we spared the life of another Krate POS by changing everything before the amp could screw it up...
Bob
Quote from: Bob NWell, on the third PCB I tried, I got THE sound. Holy Crap that sounds good! The latest PCB from Bucksears is THE one! Thanks to both Electrictabs and Bucksears for their hard work in putting this circuit together. I used Orange Drops for the bulk of the capacitors with the exceptions being Micas. I know, WAY overkill, but I've always stood by them with very positive results. It was a VERY tight fit, but it all crammed together rather nicely. I have a part number listing for Mouser if anyone would like one, for an entire project from start to finish as a pedal, right down to the little rubber pads for the bottom of the pedal.
Thanks guys! You REALLY helped me make this $100 crapola GC amp REALLY Boogey... It flat out ROCKS now!!! I guess we spared the life of another Krate POS by changing everything before the amp could screw it up...
Bob
to wich schematic do you refer to?
So, has this circuit been built? I would be interested to hear it.
http://diystompboxes.com/sboxforum/viewtopic.php?t=30110&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=boogey
Nice work, sounds great! Is there a PCB layout available for it anywhere? The one link I found was a dead-end... :(
EDIT: Nevermind, I see in that other thread that one is being developed. :wink:
Paul,
Here are the links to my site where the Dr. Boogey PCB and parts layout can be found.
http://www.bucksears.com/DrBoogeyPCB.bmp
http://www.bucksears.com/DrBoogeyPartsLayout.gif
Someone has already used the layout and has confirmed that it works; I'm actually working on building electrictabs' other pedals, but this is on my short 'must have' list.
- Buck
Thanks Buck! :wink:
Sorry for the long delay in posting...
The ones that Buck posted are the final ones I used. It flat out rocks! One of the Guitarists in one of the Bands I Manage used it on a cut... I'll post the cut when I get it back, but he doesn't want to give the circuit back now that he's had a chance to play with it!
wow that makes me proud!!!
thanks for the kind words guys...
now i'm really thinking of shooting them in the market 8)
*cough* copywright infringment *cough*
Quote from: school*cough* copywright infringment *cough*
don't think so :twisted:
Tabs,
I have to build another one for another guitarist in one of my other bands because he relies on the Boogey sound a TON and is playing in Emergenza's 3rd Round, but is forced to use the Backline of a Krate Tube Amp. That Amp is fairly good, but can't produce the Boogey sound anywhere close, so.... Time to Stomp Box it, as well as that sweet schem of the JCM... That would be quite a nice combination with an optical compressor maybe in a rack unit with remote stomp switches.... Hmmmm, decisions... decisions... Thanks again Tabs and Buck!!! That is probably one of the best circuits I've built so far.... but SOOO many more to try....
is there a BOM for dr boogey? :)
Quote from: BucksearsPaul,
Here are the links to my site where the Dr. Boogey PCB and parts layout can be found.
http://www.bucksears.com/DrBoogeyPCB.bmp
http://www.bucksears.com/DrBoogeyPartsLayout.gif
Someone has already used the layout and has confirmed that it works; I'm actually working on building electrictabs' other pedals, but this is on my short 'must have' list.
- Buck
Links are dead ???
I can't getr the links to work either...
:cry: :cry:
Server probs?
Buck has been having problems with his site. I'm sure he'll chime in here.
Yes, my site is down for the moment.
I've had a lot going on in my life between a wedding (not mine) last month, normal taking care of things around the house, building pedals and getting ready for a huge (whole company) move into a new building at work.
I will make it a priority (not necessarily top) to get my site going again. Basically, my annual subscription just ran out today and I STILL need to get the domain registered. When things are up and running again, I'll have new pics and sound samples.
I will let you know ASAP when things are running again, but for the time being send me a PM with your e-mail address and I'll get the PCB and parts layouts to you.
- Buck
Hey Guys!
LTNS... Like Buck, I've been very busy as well.... Lost my job back in Dec and FINALLY found work. Its about damn time... having no money really sucks...
In any case, my webserver is back up and running and I can host the images for the PCB, parts layout, as well as a BOM so long as Buck and electrictabs chime in and gives their OK... At least until Buck gets back up and running with his site... I just dont want to step on anyone's toes...
when do we get to hear a sample where the gain is set to max, i am curious to hear what this pedal can really do in terms of distortion, and does anyone have the pcb layout for it ?
up
OK... I just posted up the Parts Layout and the PCB on my webserver. Now remember, Electrictabs designed the circuit and Bucksears did the PCB.
All I have done is built the circuit and know that it works, and works well, however, I just got the circuit back after months of being out of my hands and it is not working at this moment. I'll be troubleshooting the circuit and find out what went wrong... I'll even record something with it once it's working again, although don't expect any kind of spectacular guitar playing as I'm more about the electronics... and rarely even pick up my guitar outside of testing a circuit.
The PCB is located Here (http://www.dohcfiero.com/drboogey/DrBoogeyPCB.bmp)
The Parts Layout is located Here (http://www.dohcfiero.com/drboogey/DrBoogeyPartsLayout.gif)
I'll leave these links up as long as Electrictabs and Bucksears allow me to. It is their circuit and I am truly grateful for even having the opportunity to have something like this to work with.
I know that mpf102 or 2m5457 will work instead of j201, but, what are the expected differences between them ???
And .... since they are not cheap ... could I use other fets like bs170 or 2n7000 ?
Thanks
Gabriel
The BS170 and 2N7000 are Mosfets rather than JFets and won't work the same in this design.
Something else to consider is the amount of resistance between stages. Increasing it will lower the amount of distortion, and decresing it will increase the amount. Your in effect adjusting the amount of distortion contributed by each stage. 8)
Sorry about the mosfets ...
But ... about the mpf102 .. since this is the only one I could find here in Brazil (almost impossible to find j201 or 2n5457) .... what should be the tonal differences in this project, if I use mpf102 ???? any idea ?
Unfortunatley the MPF102 is a lower gain device.
I don't know how that relates to noise or getting the gain up again with another added stage.
So you think I wont get good results with mpf102 ??? I was really excited about building this .... and then I have to quit :/ ..... thats bad .... but ... thats how things work .....
I thought it could work since this circuit has a lot of gain and most people would not use it all, so it could be compensated, .... less from mpf102 and more from the circuit itself
There was some discussion awhile back about adjusting these type circuits to use the lower gain MPF102's. Do a search. It might still have enough gain, if your guitar pickup isn't too weak. 8)
http://www.diystompboxes.com/sboxforum/viewtopic.php?t=21299&highlight=supercharge
when do we get to hear a sample where the gain is set to max? i am curious to hear what this pedal can really do in terms of distortion... it might just be what i am looking for... :twisted:
I figure that I already know this answer will be a resounding "NO", but I was wondering if tube immulation with JFETs can react with a germanium effect like tubes do? I've never built a total germanium transistor anything, because they're supposed to sound like crap with a solid state amp.
as time goes by,
I start to get blinded by those emolations...:
http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1226945 (http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1226945)
anybody got a view of what is what and what is named after what?
:icon_eek: :icon_razz:
I hope ET is getting a kickback on these kits this guy is selling. I checked right away to make sure it wasn't my layout.
I don't mind doing stuff for free and posting on my (or anyone else's) site, but I'm not letting someone etch my design layouts and start selling them.
- Buck
Bucksears: this thread wasn`t bumped by me because of a layout-issue.
There is none, IMHO.
OLC correctly states, that he gets/sells problem-free PCBs.
All correct - no offense - no accusations at all!
But if it does concern the circuit ("development") of ET (=Electrictabs, iirc, a nice and friendly greek diy-fellow),
those who provide/grant the PCB/layout to OLC (whom I completely want to exclude from my critical remarks!!!),
could/should at least mention where the name for the project
and the circuit comes from...
Bucksears,
I respect others' works and I don't hide anything. I'm legitimate - everyone gets his rightful cut. I don't want bad karma to be my demise. However, I had not heard of Electritabs before today was not aware that Electritabs owned anything that I should be paying for. I'll contact Electritabs and seek a deal, or I'll remove the kit.
Thank you.
Puretube,
I appreciate your respect. Thank you.
If this is a credit issue, I'm sure I can have that solved very shortly. If it's a money issue, I will see what Electritabs feels is fair compensation. I want to do what is right and keep myself legitimate. I see no other way to operate.
Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
Hey, OLC - don`t worry... :icon_smile: !
(you`re not supposed to have to defend yourself - nobody accuses/-d you!)
it`s not your fault (if any...)
my idea was just and only,
that if in fact that project is based on electrictabs`thing
(iirc, he didn`t even make a PCB layout himself),
the guys that provide the PCB/layout for you could/should
at least inform you, where the origin of the circuit for that sound can be found...
:icon_wink:
(I can`t/ don`t speak for electrictabs,
but it`s very probably not a money issue at all - imho, he`s a very humble guy, who wouldn`t even think of that... :icon_rolleyes:
but therefor the more I think, he could at least have been "mentioned", just out of respect).
olcircuits & puretube,
I didn't mean any offense or to show irritation by it. I'm not a legal-wrangler or anything, I don't have a lawyer on speed-dial. ;-)
But there was another guy on the HC forum that apparently had my PCB design (I saw his pic of the guts of his pedal) and was offering to sell etched PCB copies from my layout. THAT'S what irritates me. If you want to etch them for someone else for FREE, great.
The schematic that I have of the Dr. Boogey does have a copyright on it. I just know who came up with the design for the Dr. Boogey, I worked with him to come up with the first PCB, and he's not the one selling the kits/PCBs from it.
I didn't mean to imply that anything was hidden, just that the original (circuit) designer should probably be aware of it (or at least be asked permission).
That's all.
- Buck
ooops - Buck: I wasn`t even aware of "the other" guy... :icon_redface:
(I must have missed that)
No problem, it just gets sticky when you start to involve money. I try to contribute what I can even though I'm no circuit designer.
;)
Bucksears and Puretube,
Thank you for your understanding. I PMed Electrictabs and asked what he wants regarding this. I credited him on my site (next to the circuit name). The PCB designer is adding Electrictab's name to the PDF and I'll have it replaced this evening. He's a great guy and it was an honest omittion.
Thank you for your patience and understanding. I hope Electrictabs will be forgiving.
Olcircuits, just wondering, did you talk to Dann @ 4ms pedals about your tremulus kit?
Edit: Sorry, wrong thread.
Quote from: Unbeliever on April 26, 2006, 07:00:18 PM
Olcircuits, just wondering, did you talk to Dann @ 4ms pedals about your tremulus kit?
Why would he have to do so? The IP in question is in no way being infringed. OLCircuits isn't passing the circuit off as his own or hosting the schematic at his site. Also, he's not selling the board (Tonepad is), so there's nothing shady there.
All he's doing with that kit is selling the parts needed to build a Tremulus Lune. As far as I'm concerned, this service for the DIY-FX community is way overdue and that's why I'm happy that he's supporting runoffgroove.com projects. Did he need my blessing to do so? No, but he still asked and that tells me that we're dealing with an honest individual who is genuinely interested in helping builders.
Quote from: Unbeliever on April 26, 2006, 07:00:18 PM
Olcircuits, just wondering, did you talk to Dann @ 4ms pedals about your tremulus kit?
me too , i'd like know.
take this w/ a grain of salt, pleazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzze
i called dann and could not contact him, if you do not have his blessing , pull the kit til you do.
dann is one of the most kind, cool,and giveing souls i've ever known in 42 yr's.
peace,
- tom
www.troubledvariance.com
ps; i like your site. :icon_wink:
Quote from: B Tremblay on April 26, 2006, 08:29:12 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on April 26, 2006, 07:00:18 PM
Olcircuits, just wondering, did you talk to Dann @ 4ms pedals about your tremulus kit?
Why would he have to do so? The IP in question is in no way being infringed. OLCircuits isn't passing the circuit off as his own or hosting the schematic at his site. Also, he's not selling the board (Tonepad is), so there's nothing shady there.
All he's doing with that kit is selling the parts needed to build a Tremulus Lune. As far as I'm concerned, this service for the DIY-FX community is way overdue and that's why I'm happy that he's supporting runoffgroove.com projects. Did he need my blessing to do so? No, but he still asked and that tells me that we're dealing with an honest individual who is genuinely interested in helping builders.
well ,
i'd say the call is up to the designer........................................ just my take.
peace,
- tom
Quote from: B Tremblay on April 26, 2006, 08:29:12 PM
Why would he have to do so?
Settle down - I merely asked a question, and it wasn't even to you. ::) Talk about going off half-%^&*ed......
4ms already offers a tremulus kit, has done so for years, and backs it with support from the designer himself. Any kit sale that Olcircuits makes takes money (admittedly, only a small amount) away from Dann / commonsound. Hence, me asking the question - and in no way was I asking it in accusing manner. So - back off man. :icon_evil: :icon_rolleyes: ;D
Hello,
I respect designers and would not knowingly infringe on your rights. The exception was Electrictabs, and I did that unknowingly. This forum consists of people with superior circuit knoweldge - people whom I'd like to call on in the future regarding licensing. If I can't be trusted, no one will license a design to me. I've been open and honest and I hope that will remove suspicion over time.
Regarding Dr. Boogey:
I received and posted a new Dr. Boogey PDF from the layout designer. My page has been updated to reflect his name as well.
Regarding Tremulus Lune:
I believe that FP has properly licensed the circuit from 4MS. I'm selling kits to build the Tonepad project, but I do not make or sell any PCB listed under Tonepad. That's the agreement I honor with FP and I don't think I'm stepping on anyone in this regard. However, if 4MS doesn't want mention of the Tremulus Lune or the 4MS link on my site, I'll respect that and remove the kit entirely.
Thank you all for your time and understanding.
Unbeliever,
I didn't know that 4MS sold kits in this manner. It's gone from my site.
Quote from: olcircuits on April 26, 2006, 09:24:20 PM
I believe that FP has properly licensed the circuit from 4MS. I'm selling kits to build the Tonepad project, but I do not make or sell any PCB listed under Tonepad. That's the agreement I honor with FP and I don't think I'm stepping on anyone in this regard. However, if 4MS doesn't want mention of the Tremulus Lune or the 4MS link on my site, I'll respect that and remove the kit entirely.
I'm pretty sure Dann would just like to be aware of what is happening, that's all ... for the rest, you'd need to contact him (hence my original question).
Quote from: olcircuits on April 26, 2006, 09:24:20 PM
Hello,
I respect designers and would not knowingly infringe on your rights. The exception was Electrictabs, and I did that unknowingly. This forum consists of people with superior circuit knoweldge - people whom I'd like to call on in the future regarding licensing. If I can't be trusted, no one will license a design to me. I've been open and honest and I hope that will remove suspicion over time.
Regarding Dr. Boogey:
I received and posted a new Dr. Boogey PDF from the layout designer. My page has been updated to reflect his name as well.
Regarding Tremulus Lune:
I believe that FP has properly licensed the circuit from 4MS. I'm selling kits to build the Tonepad project, but I do not make or sell any PCB listed under Tonepad. That's the agreement I honor with FP and I don't think I'm stepping on anyone in this regard. However, if 4MS doesn't want mention of the Tremulus Lune or the 4MS link on my site, I'll respect that and remove the kit entirely.
Thank you all for your time and understanding.
all is cool , just "ask" dann.
- tom
Quote from: olcircuits on April 26, 2006, 09:28:18 PM
Unbeliever,
I didn't know that 4MS sold kits in this manner. It's gone from my site.
Well, it's up to you .... all I asked was whether you talked to Dann or not.
Tom, I doubt Dann would have a problem with it.... but all it takes is dropping him a line via email or phone (once AGAIN I refer to my original question).
PS Tom, drop me a line with a contact number bro....
Unbeliever,
I didn't remove the kit in a huff of anger. I removed it because, after reading that 4MS sells kits, I personally felt like it was the right thing to do. I don't need to contact Dann to know that. I don't want to compete with the designer himself and take a sale from him.
I thank you for pointing that out to me. There are no hard feelings!
Quote from: Unbeliever on April 26, 2006, 09:14:22 PM
Settle down - I merely asked a question, and it wasn't even to you. ::) Talk about going off half-%^&*ed......
4ms already offers a tremulus kit, has done so for years, and backs it with support from the designer himself. Any kit sale that Olcircuits makes takes money (admittedly, only a small amount) away from Dann / commonsound. Hence, me asking the question - and in no way was I asking it in accusing manner. So - back off man. :icon_evil: :icon_rolleyes: ;D
If you didn't want to see anyone else's reply, then you should have asked him directly via PM or e-mail. :icon_wink:
I apologize for making the erroneous assumption that, as someone whose projects are being supported with kits from OLCircuits, my opinion might be of value to the discussion. :icon_redface:
Quote from: B Tremblay on April 26, 2006, 09:58:12 PM
If you didn't want to see anyone else's reply, then you should have asked him directly via PM or e-mail. :icon_wink:
I apologize for making the erroneous assumption that, as someone whose projects are being supported with kits from OLCircuits, my opinion might be of value to the discussion. :icon_redface:
True - I just automatically selected 'reply'. Boy do I regret it now. ;^)
Again - and this is the last time I'm going to say this - all I did was ask if he conctacted Dann. I think there's a little oversensitivity on these (and all forums) sometimes, it was just a simple question. 4ms projects != (ROG || Tonepad). I agree it's cool having more kits available to DIYers, especially ones that weren't previous available.
QuoteI think there's a little oversensitivity on these (and all forums) sometimes
Amen! Some people just go nuts and use the forum for some kind of katharsis. I said in a thread abut danelectro pedals that I thought that the danelectro beyond metal were better than boss distortion pedals and I got tongue lashed to the max. Some folks should take to a punching bag a few times a week.
this thread looks like having started the Dr. B**gey-craze out there in the
biz-attractive stompboxworld... :
http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=16259513 (http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=16259513)
see 11th post.
Hi
I’m making this post to clarify some issues that came up during the past month and especially last week. I have been watching this thread and the one in Harmony Central forum concerning the Doctor Boogey kit. Olcircuits did contact me to inform me that he wasn’t aware of the designer of the circuit/schem and asked me what was my will regarding his selling kit. First of all I have to mention that I believe his ignorance and there are no hard feelings against him. It was very fair of him to apologize and put my name on his webpage as soon as he found out. I have yet to mention that I have found out that certain people (probably not from this forum) built Doctor Boogey and sold as their creation which upset me.
I posted the schematic of Doctor Boogey a year ago in this forum because I was very happy with the sound of the circuit (not all tube-fet emulation sound good) and I wanted people on this diy stompbox forum try it for themselves and WILL NEVER REGRET DOING SO. Bucksears in collaboration with me did a great job designing a pcb for all forum members. I have never asked for anything in return for posting this schem nor will I ever ask something from the people wanting to make a clone for their own personal use.
I have worked many hours with the Doctor Boogey circuit to get the best of it.
The circuit with some mods/add-ons(like an onboard switchable noise gate,etc) is under production by myself and is getting really famous in the local market as well as worldwide. For that reason I don’t feel it is fair for other people to take advantage of this circuit for their own stake. I don’t demand anything I’m just kindly asking for a fair treatment from all of you. I’ve been a member of this helpful forum for sometime now and I respect everyone. All I’m asking is for the same respect. I’ll be more than glad to help diyers build their own clone.
Thank you
Chris Ntaifotis
electrictabs@yahoo.com
(p.s. there will be a similar post in the harmony central forum)
Yeah, we know people do that (the scum!). You can't stop them though, people think of themselves first.
If I was going to sell an effect I designed I wouldn't release its design, or at least postpone the release until I was satisfied with my sales.
However, I for one would like to thank you greatly for your contribution of this effect, and a great deal of people on this forum have commented how good it is (including me). Many people will benefit from your design, and if the effect is indeed getting famous, being the guy who designed it has to count for something. :icon_biggrin:
Quote from: RaceDriver205 on May 04, 2006, 09:42:11 AM
Yeah, we know people do that (the scum!). You can't stop them though, people think of themselves first.
If I was going to sell an effect I designed I wouldn't release its design, or at least postpone the release until I was satisfied with my sales.
However, I for one would like to thank you greatly for your contribution of this effect, and a great deal of people on this forum have commented how good it is (including me). Many people will benefit from your design, and if the effect is indeed getting famous, being the guy who designed it has to count for something. :icon_biggrin:
thanks for the kind words. Although the word 'scum' is a bit heavy i would never use it ,i must admit that you re right in the first paragraph but i have to make clear that since i have benefited from this forum viewing other people designs or recomendations/help by becoming better i would like other people to benefit the same way from my designs
(by saying benefit i don't mean financial benefit).And as i said before i don't regret posting the schem on this forum
Um, is there a guys head in that valve? (your avatar)
Quote from: RaceDriver205 on May 04, 2006, 11:15:00 PM
Um, is there a guys head in that valve? (your avatar)
yap
How could he fit inside mini tube ???
Just kidding :)
(http://forum.musikding.de/cpg/albums/userpics/24316/normal_DSC00056.jpg)
I tinkered around with madbeans Chunk Chunk layout. Maybe someone wants to use this:
Madbean Chunk Chunk (Dr. Boogie) with voltage doubler
http://forum.musikding.de/cpg/albums/userpics/24316/chunkchunkx4.pdf
- to be able to use 3 Pin PCB connectors for each pot. I moved the holes away from the caps. But you can't use 12 pin connectors only 3 pin.
- C20 has now 5mm contact spacing like C14.
- voltage doubler added (part list: http://forum.musikding.de/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=2792&fullsize=1)