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Title: Atari Punk Console
Post by: z1 on June 23, 2006, 10:32:30 AM
i'm looking into building a simple oscillator to use for noise/weird soundscapes...
found this schematic and sample at http://compiler.kaustic.net/machines/apc.html
has anyone here build an Atari Punk console? any tips, confirms, remarks?  8)
any other suggestions to build would be nice too, pref. on perfboard  :)
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Coriolis on June 23, 2006, 11:12:38 AM
Hi and welcome to the forum!
Haven't built it, but since a 556 is a dual 555 (though I don't know the pinout of it), it looks to me (and sounds) that you actually have 2 oxcillators in that circuit. Also, it sounds like they are synced together. It's looks pretty simple, so google for 556 "datasheet", pull out the solderless breadboard, and try it out! :icon_biggrin:
Since it's so simple (few components), you should try making your own layout for perfboard or veroboard. I've found that I learn so much more about circuits when I breadboard first and then do my own layout (if it's not too complicated - baby steps!). Even though it sometimes takes hours for me to get it working on breadboard, I've done it so may times, that I know I will get it right eventually.

Speaking of simple oscillators: Right now I'm playing around with this:

http://www.geocities.com/tpe123/folkurban/synthstick/synthstick.html

Dead simple, and when I get the ribbon going, it will actually be playable!  :icon_cool:

Have lots of fun!

C
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: z1 on June 23, 2006, 11:19:46 AM
thanks!

i have to admit i dont have a breadboard (yet)  :-[  but thanks for the advice, i think i can manage to put it together :)

that synthstick looks great, i'll look into it for perhaps a future build :)
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: tiges_ tendres on June 23, 2006, 12:02:17 PM
yes, I have built it!

It is a pretty brutal noisemaker.  The controls work with each other.  as you move one, the other gets affected. 

One pot kind of changes pitch to a certain extent, and the other makes it sort of wobble.  Like an expansion I suppose.  Kind of hard to describe.

lots of bleeps and bloops and sometimes sounds like the video game "pole position"

I have mine set up with  pots, but with a switch so that I can change to and LDR for one parameter, and a pot for another.
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Peter Snowberg on June 23, 2006, 12:20:30 PM
I used to have a noise box that was just about the same. It was a fun little noise naker.  :icon_biggrin:

If you add a volume pot to the end of the circuit and then plug that into a delay pedal set for big feedback, you can get some rather whacked noise. :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: hank reynolds 3rd on June 23, 2006, 04:12:58 PM
do the  470k pots change the frequency of the oscillators???
just wondered as to the possibility of putting one/both under envelope control,kinda like having the env section of the meatball/mcmeat or Stephen Giles' royal filter bit....
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: tiges_ tendres on June 23, 2006, 08:44:41 PM
Quote from: hank reynolds 3rd on June 23, 2006, 04:12:58 PM
do the  470k pots change the frequency of the oscillators???
just wondered as to the possibility of putting one/both under envelope control,kinda like having the env section of the meatball/mcmeat or Stephen Giles' royal filter bit....

I think they change the voltage that the circuit gets, which affects pitch and oscilation.
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Ed G. on June 23, 2006, 09:07:43 PM
I don't know if you'd be interested in this, but wampcat came up with this and it sounds too freakin' cool. Take a tube screamer and solder one wire across two pins and you end up with a guitar synth.....
http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=966937
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Dragonfly on June 25, 2006, 05:55:41 PM
I did a quick vero layout for the Atari Punk Console...it's not verified yet, but should be just fine....

AC

http://aronnelson.com/gallery/album20/ATARI_PUNK_CONSOLE_VERO?full=1 (http://aronnelson.com/gallery/album20/ATARI_PUNK_CONSOLE_VERO?full=1)
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Joecool85 on June 25, 2006, 06:18:55 PM
I'm going to need to try this, it looks pretty sweet.
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: reverberation66 on June 25, 2006, 08:03:46 PM
I built one of these on perfboard yesterday, quick and easy.  I added a simple on/off switch that connects or disconnects the battery.  Sounds excellent, tons of sounds to be had from twisting around on those two knobs, from video game sounds to analog synth sounds to trippy drones...now I just need some 70's hand held video game or calculator or something to pop this into...
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Wild Zebra on June 26, 2006, 12:42:02 PM
  This looks cool too!  http://compiler.kaustic.net/machines/vanishing-moon.html
I'm gonna have to make that atari console.  Thanks for the layout Dragonfly.
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: z1 on June 26, 2006, 02:26:33 PM
Quote from: Dragonfly on June 25, 2006, 05:55:41 PM
I did a quick vero layout for the Atari Punk Console...it's not verified yet, but should be just fine....

AC

http://aronnelson.com/gallery/album20/ATARI_PUNK_CONSOLE_VERO?full=1 (http://aronnelson.com/gallery/album20/ATARI_PUNK_CONSOLE_VERO?full=1)

thanks a lot!  :icon_biggrin:
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Dragonfly on June 26, 2006, 09:50:44 PM
btw...on the layout, if you use a TRS plug for the output, and wire the negative lead from the battery to the ring, it'll automatically disconnect the battery when there is no cable plugged in to it....

just a thought...i'll probably modify the layout later.

AC
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: fixr1984 on June 26, 2006, 10:18:36 PM
I only see one jack in picture. where would the input be? Is there not supposed to be one, or am i
not understanding this right? Thanks.
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Dragonfly on June 26, 2006, 10:25:37 PM
Quote from: fixr1984 on June 26, 2006, 10:18:36 PM
I only see one jack in picture. where would the input be? Is there not supposed to be one, or am i
not understanding this right? Thanks.

hi ...its not a "pedal"...its a "noisemaker" !  a standalone box, if you will....

AC
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Noplasticrobots on June 29, 2006, 11:45:06 AM
If you want to try hooking a guitar up to an oscillator, look for the UglyFace.
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: KORGULL on June 29, 2006, 11:57:33 AM
I breadboarded this thing the other day using two 555s instead of the 556. It really does do the old video game sounds well. I think I'm going to try figuring out some mods for a while to see what else can be done with it.
These application notes from Phillips have some good info on the 555/556 if anyone's interested: http://www.doctronics.co.uk/pdf_files/555an.pdf (http://www.doctronics.co.uk/pdf_files/555an.pdf)
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: somasix on July 01, 2006, 11:21:06 AM
What's a -4 decibel output? 
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: KORGULL on July 02, 2006, 02:20:40 PM
Here's a schematic you can use for making this circuit with two 555s instead of the 556:
(http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeqml77/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/ataripunkschematic.jpg.w560h784.jpg)

*Edit: fixed pin 1 ground connections and added 100K volume control.
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Peter Snowberg on July 02, 2006, 07:46:04 PM
That schematic is missing a ground connection to pin 1 of the 555s. :icon_wink:
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: KORGULL on July 03, 2006, 12:57:51 AM
Quote from: Peter Snowberg on July 02, 2006, 07:46:04 PM
That schematic is missing a ground connection to pin 1 of the 555s. :icon_wink:
Damn. Thanks for finding that error. I had tried rotating one of the ICs and then put it back again at one point and must've lost track of that connection after it got broken. Will fix and repost it tomorrow.  :)
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: KORGULL on July 03, 2006, 12:47:15 PM
Schematic now updated.
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: choklitlove on July 05, 2006, 12:38:22 AM
i have finished a pcb layout for this, but i have a question.  i can't test this yet, so what would the two pots be called?  is one pitch and the other oscillation?  if so, which is which?  i'll post the layout as soon as i figure this out.  thanks!
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: choklitlove on July 05, 2006, 04:24:16 PM
Quote from: tiges_ tendres on June 23, 2006, 12:02:17 PM
I have mine set up with  pots, but with a switch so that I can change to and LDR for one parameter, and a pot for another.
i was thinking about doing that with my layout.  i saw their 555 "theremin" idea using an ldr instead of an antennae and i knew it would be possible since the atari pc uses the 556.  any specifics on how you did that?  it would just take a DPDT, right?  any other components like resistors in series with the ldr?  what do you think about having 2 switches, 2 pots, 2 ldrs to control both parameters with either or?  i will give you credit on the layout, if you would like.  thanks!

also, see my above post...
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: tiges_ tendres on July 09, 2006, 03:11:31 AM
Quote from: choklitlove on July 05, 2006, 04:24:16 PM
Quote from: tiges_ tendres on June 23, 2006, 12:02:17 PM
I have mine set up with  pots, but with a switch so that I can change to and LDR for one parameter, and a pot for another.
i was thinking about doing that with my layout.  i saw their 555 "theremin" idea using an ldr instead of an antennae and i knew it would be possible since the atari pc uses the 556.  any specifics on how you did that?  it would just take a DPDT, right?  any other components like resistors in series with the ldr?  what do you think about having 2 switches, 2 pots, 2 ldrs to control both parameters with either or?  i will give you credit on the layout, if you would like.  thanks!

also, see my above post...

yeah, I used 2 dpdt toggle switches.  This is a crap diagram for the switch for both pot/ldr combinations
[  ]top
[  ]middle
[  ]bottom

the two middle lugs are the points which would normally be fed to pots.  The top two lugs i used for pots, the bottom two lugs are for ldrs.

I dont get a long sweep with the ldrs.  It's a lot harder to control.  But you do get all the action in a nice big bunch which can lead to much pet scaring!

I like to set one pot and the other ldr.  So I'm waving and tuning a radio at the same time.
Dont expect it to act too much like a theremin though, it's way more unpredictable than that.

Have fun!
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Wild Zebra on July 10, 2006, 10:49:57 AM
  Built this over the weekend for a friends B-day.  Used Dragonfly vero (thanks)  Went together real nice.  No switches or buttons to wire up so it didn't take too long.  For a little two knobber it sounds cool, but I enjoy all the little noise boxes (we gotta track more down).  Next time I'm at my friends I'll get a pic and maybe a sound sample.

Thanks all!
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Dragonfly on July 10, 2006, 08:30:39 PM
Quote from: Wild Zebra on July 10, 2006, 10:49:57 AM
  Built this over the weekend for a friends B-day.  Used Dragonfly vero (thanks)  Went together real nice.  No switches or buttons to wire up so it didn't take too long.  For a little two knobber it sounds cool, but I enjoy all the little noise boxes (we gotta track more down).  Next time I'm at my friends I'll get a pic and maybe a sound sample.

Thanks all!


cool...so the layout is verified....

btw...did you use a stereo jack like i mention in the thread (to cut battery power when output cable isn't plugged in) ?

AC
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: z1 on July 11, 2006, 02:28:02 AM
could i use a simple DPDT switch to switch the unit on/off and disconnect the battery? where should i put the switch?
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: smnm on July 11, 2006, 09:25:44 AM
Quote from: z1 on July 11, 2006, 02:28:02 AM
could i use a simple DPDT switch to switch the unit on/off and disconnect the battery? where should i put the switch?

You could just use an spst to open and close the connection between the battery negative wire and ground, like the stereo input jack switching does...
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Seljer on July 11, 2006, 09:50:55 AM
Heres a layout for the thing using two 555s based off the schematic on the previous page

(http://g0g0g0.dyndns.org/uploads/050114/apclayout.jpg)
(http://g0g0g0.dyndns.org/uploads/050114/apctransfer.jpg)
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Wild Zebra on July 11, 2006, 10:31:28 AM
Quotecool...so the layout is verified....

btw...did you use a stereo jack like i mention in the thread (to cut battery power when output cable isn't plugged in) ?
No, I used a Pot with a spst switch on it.  Not sure of the tech name.  Turn it it clicks on.  I was going to use a stereo jack, but the local elect store only had two 500k's (and they were 5 bucks a pop, ouch) and one was switchable.  I never used one before and it worked real well.  I just threw an led in there so it wouldn't get left on by mistake.

THANKS AGAIN FOR THE LAYOUT! 
This is a great beginner project for people who'd like to add a noise box to the pack (I can't get enough of em" we gotta find more little guys like this) Just watch the jumpers under the chip.  Even though I read that I still soldered the socket on first,  :icon_redface:
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: z1 on July 11, 2006, 11:14:15 AM
Quote from: smnm on July 11, 2006, 09:25:44 AM
Quote from: z1 on July 11, 2006, 02:28:02 AM
could i use a simple DPDT switch to switch the unit on/off and disconnect the battery? where should i put the switch?

You could just use an spst to open and close the connection between the battery negative wire and ground, like the stereo input jack switching does...

thanks  :)
Title: 40106 dual tone generator
Post by: smnm on July 11, 2006, 01:41:11 PM
Quote from: Wild Zebra on July 11, 2006, 10:31:28 AM
This is a great beginner project for people who'd like to add a noise box to the pack (I can't get enough of em" we gotta find more little guys like this)

Well - here's a great one from the ExpAnon forum - see http://experimentalistsanonymous.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=382 - there's a clip in there somewhere.

(http://usera.imagecave.com/simonm/BensSimple40106ToneGenerator.jpg)

Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Microscope on August 08, 2006, 12:57:33 PM
I'm about to start building this but I don't understand how the wires from the pots and the 9 volt all intersect. Can anyone explain to me how to do that?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Wild Zebra on August 28, 2006, 01:51:28 PM
Here I am trying to give advice and now I built one and it doesn't work  I made one for a friend and it worked great. Here what mine does. It appears to work, its just very, very low volume almost inaudible unless cranked. Heres the thing though if I turn the pot on the right (of the 556 stripboard layout) I can dial it in to a spot were it comes in loud an clear, but its just a tiny area and heres the kicker when I hit that spot the pot sparks not alot but right when I hit that spot. Any ideas? I hope the sparking is a givaway. I've done all the basics, solder bridges, parts, jumpers, traces, etc.   I also tryed a different potentiometer.  Sorry no voltages I'm at work.
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: somasix on September 02, 2006, 11:35:20 AM
I just whipped this little guy up.  I've been away from the building most of the summer, so I figured the Atari Punk Console would be a good project to get back into it with.  As usual, my veroboard dyslexia was flaring up again, so I had to mount the 556 chip on the copper side to get the project to work.  Surprisingly, it fired right up.  It's a fun little noisemaker.  This one's going to get put in a plastic enclosure for a couple reasons, first, the circuit seems real reactive and sensitive.  I've had it drop off a couple of times and had to touch the 556 chip to get it to start again.  Secondly, I'm thinking of adding some metal touch pads to cajole circuit bent sounds out of it, something I don't think you can do with a metal case?  This little circuit definitely seems mod friendly. 

As far as you issues Wild Zebra, I don't know what this issue might be.  I've had to go back to the iron a couple of times to touch up solder joints.  There are also some dead spots in my pots.  Anyone have this happen?  There are a couple of positions where neither knob seems to do much.
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: ddes on September 03, 2006, 01:54:06 PM
http://www.eam.se/kraakdoos/index.html (http://www.eam.se/kraakdoos/index.html) ! ;)
I haven't built one, but the sound samples are cool.
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Clubman35 on September 04, 2006, 10:01:13 AM
Does this thing need to be plugged into an amp? Or, could I just hook it to a small speaker and box the whole thing up? Many thanks guys.
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Seljer on September 04, 2006, 10:13:05 AM
I think the 555/556 is able to power a speaker, or at least there are a bunch of schematics of it doing it in that Engineers Mini Notebook on 555 circuits. Won't exactly will be really loud but it'd work. I see they sometimes wire a 5kiloohm pot as a variable resistor in series with the 8ohm speaker as a volume control (its wired directly to the output of the the chip, with an electrolytic capacitor in between)
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Psych0F0x on September 05, 2006, 12:46:25 AM
this might be a really stupid question , but where do I connect negative?
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: tcobretti on September 05, 2006, 01:18:43 AM
Ground is the bottom left pin on the chip.


(http://aronnelson.com/gallery/albums/album20/ATARI_PUNK_CONSOLE_VERO.gif)
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Psych0F0x on September 05, 2006, 04:09:22 AM
Quote from: tcobretti on September 05, 2006, 01:18:43 AM
Ground is the bottom left pin on the chip.
thanks!

It's working but it doesn't really sound like I expected it to. it just makes one constant tone, and you can change the pitch, am I correct? or did I make a mistake somewhere? I doesn't sound very much like that sound clip from the kaustic machines site. I was expecting random stuff
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Brett Sinclair on September 05, 2006, 04:39:22 AM
Quote from: Psych0F0x on September 05, 2006, 04:09:22 AMI doesn't sound very much like that sound clip from the kaustic machines site. I was expecting random stuff

On the clip on the machines website i'm weaving my hand above the ldr like a lunatic...  :icon_mrgreen:
You can do fun stuff with this thing... add an ldr in series or parallel to one or both of the pots, make them switchable, have an ldr controlled by a lfo (tremulus lune?)... etc...
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: suicidalmoose on September 05, 2006, 05:58:21 AM
does anybody want to attempt to make this project a guitar effects pedal, kinda like how an envelope filter controlls a wah, you could convert the signal from the guitar to similar toned atari beeps? I think it'd be kinda cool to experiment with playing some atari game theme songs using a pedal like that and i reckon it'd be a popular novelty pedal, i mean it's a pedal you woudln't be able to buy so surely many would build it.
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Psych0F0x on September 05, 2006, 06:10:24 AM
Quote from: Brett Sinclair on September 05, 2006, 04:39:22 AM
Quote from: Psych0F0x on September 05, 2006, 04:09:22 AMI doesn't sound very much like that sound clip from the kaustic machines site. I was expecting random stuff

On the clip on the machines website i'm weaving my hand above the ldr like a lunatic...  :icon_mrgreen:
You can do fun stuff with this thing... add an ldr in series or parallel to one or both of the pots, make them switchable, have an ldr controlled by a lfo (tremulus lune?)... etc...

I still think I did something wrong, I can't get double tones like you have in your clip,  at 26 secs you get a low tone and a tone an octave higher, with tremelo(ofcourse that could be done with a tremelo pedal). I just get a very tiny variety of 1 straight tone. More like a normal tone than an atari tone. Also one of the other pots only does veery slight pitch shifting or none at all, unless I turn it completely full then it goes up a tone in pitch.
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Brett Sinclair on September 05, 2006, 08:22:56 AM
There could indeed be something wrong with your circuit... it should be able to give you a range of "shifting" sounds and both pots should be quite interactive.
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: $uperpuma on September 17, 2006, 09:06:11 PM
I built one today from Choklitlove's Layout, it is now Verified. Uses a 556. and other than the pot values, it is right on the Mims Schematic.
http://geocities.com/worthekik/atari.html (http://geocities.com/worthekik/atari.html)
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: b2thea on October 09, 2006, 12:09:06 PM
can someone make a layout for the version with 2 555's?
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: MikeH on October 09, 2006, 04:32:39 PM
Has anyone messed around with the idea of putting this in a box with another effect and using some sort of "blend" control to mix it with a fuzzed out guitar signal or something to the effect?
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: $uperpuma on October 09, 2006, 05:13:44 PM
you could probably mutate the single oscillator in the Uglyface to a dual oscillator. IT would be a little tougher to manipulate playing guitar and turning two knobs would be hard... even a little more ridiculous, you could use an expression pedal for each osc. controller... ORRRRR you could use an LDR for one and an expression pedal for another.... :) too many possibilities...
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Bernardduur on October 09, 2006, 06:14:30 PM
I used two LDR's and it works great!
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: choklitlove on October 09, 2006, 06:58:07 PM
Quote from: b2thea on October 09, 2006, 12:09:06 PM
can someone make a layout for the version with 2 555's?

this was posted earlier in the thread:
Quote from: Seljer on July 11, 2006, 09:50:55 AM
Heres a layout for the thing using two 555s based off the schematic on the previous page

(http://g0g0g0.dyndns.org/uploads/050114/apclayout.jpg)
(http://g0g0g0.dyndns.org/uploads/050114/apctransfer.jpg)

Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Psych0F0x on October 21, 2006, 01:52:27 PM
I still can't get mine to work right. Looking at the 2x555 layout: Pot B doesn't do much, the other pot changes pitch. Level acts a bit weird. Help??
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Gila_Crisis on November 02, 2006, 12:31:10 PM
i built one (with the LM556) and tried now. it work! pretty cool noise maker  :icon_mrgreen:
i like it, now i must only find a little box to put it in a solder the last few things.
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Meanderthal on November 11, 2006, 10:20:14 PM
 Just built the dual 555 version... Lotsa fun! One thing to mention though, on the layout posted by seljier pin 8 of Ic2 should go to +9v! Check against the schematic, you'll see what I mean.
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Snuffy on November 12, 2006, 01:45:00 AM
I've built two and they both sound pretty good execpt for the second pot on the 556 layout does most of its stuff in the first 1/4 of the rotation, the rest of the way it just farts out.
I'm going to experiment with different pot values to get a better range
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Meanderthal on November 12, 2006, 11:28:37 AM
 I used 1m for those. They do stuff over most of their range.
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Gila_Crisis on November 12, 2006, 05:27:16 PM
this is the one a build!!!!
(http://i15.tinypic.com/2eelj0g.jpg)
today i runed it thru my pedalboard, and messed a bit with all the effects (delay, lfanger phaser, ring mod and wah) preatty sick noise maker :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: $uperpuma on November 12, 2006, 05:33:47 PM
i built the etched apc and etched uglyface for a circuit bending buddy of mine and he says hes gotten somegreat tones using the two together into a delay
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Gila_Crisis on November 13, 2006, 02:00:42 AM
maybe i'm gonna build this one:
http://www.musicfromouterspace.com/analogsynth/YOUR_FIRST_SYNTH/YOUR_FIRST_SYNTH.html

look really interesting. and seams not so hard to build
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Meanderthal on November 13, 2006, 02:06:31 AM
 Yes, that one looks like fun, and it's expandable too! Maybe the Apc can tie into it...
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Meanderthal on November 13, 2006, 09:20:55 AM
 Hey! The dual 555 layout up and dissapeared! All it needed was that one little connection under pin8 of IC2 and then it would be verified...
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: h-rock on November 27, 2006, 04:24:43 AM
this thing looks awesome! ive seen pics with a led light, where does it go on the schematic?
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Meanderthal on November 27, 2006, 08:34:10 AM
 That would just be an indicator light- is it on yet? I didn't bother with mine, I just put the switch on the output, so if it's plugged in it's on.
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: mcasey1 on November 27, 2006, 09:30:33 AM
I just finished mine.  Very cool.  Any information on mods?
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Seljer on November 27, 2006, 10:45:30 AM
Quote from: Meanderthal on November 13, 2006, 09:20:55 AM
Hey! The dual 555 layout up and dissapeared! All it needed was that one little connection under pin8 of IC2 and then it would be verified...

yeah, the academic and research network of this country finally realised that I hadn't bothered to renew my internet account with them for the past year or so and finally deleted my webspace
I'll track down the file somewhere on my harddrive and put it up in the gallery :)

edit: http://aronnelson.com/gallery/album95/apclayout_copy?full=1

edit2: aaaaah, spotted that missing trace too
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Fleetdog on November 27, 2006, 04:55:22 PM
From a quick look at the posted schematic for 555s, it looks like the output of the first timer is being fed into the 2nd timer as the trigger.  It's been a while since I've worked with 55s so I don't remember exactly what the trigger pin does specifically, but it seems like it's probably in some way, filtering the first 555's output.  Assuming that 555 #2 is a filter of some sort, you could probably get some weird stompbox application here by replacing that first 555 with an op amp that would turn your guitar signal into a square wave (an effect I've wanted to play with on it's own for a while but I've never bothered to build).  Am I barking up the wrong tree here or is this possibly a cool idea?  I'll post a schematic for my opamp based guitar to squarewave circuit idea later when I have a bit of time.
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Meanderthal on November 27, 2006, 04:58:08 PM
 Actually it's back now...
So I've had some time to mess around with it, and in the process annoy the hell out of my wife and possibly the band, but they didn't say anything. Anyhow, I noticed that at certain settings you can tune this thing with one knob and actually play distinct seperate notes on the other... it sometimes seems to be a pentatonic scale, and right on the edge of usability in a musical sense! I found myself actually playing notes in key with the guitar player, following his 1-4-5 with the slightest little tweak of that knob. Ran this thing thru my Zoom and my bass amp... WOW! It suddenly was sounding like a decent analog synth!
This little gizmo might actually become useful...

The 2nd 555 is not a filter, but that's still a cool idea... might be pretty interesting.
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: choklitlove on November 27, 2006, 05:44:28 PM
for a 555 based guitar effect, check this out:
http://www.geocities.com/worthekik//hysteresis.html (http://www.geocities.com/worthekik//hysteresis.html)
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Meanderthal on November 27, 2006, 06:51:35 PM
 Yeah, I'm gonna hafta get more 555s and build that one!
Title: Re: Atari Punk Console
Post by: Fleetdog on November 27, 2006, 09:22:09 PM
I just built a bastardized version of the 556 APC on my breadboard (I'm running low on parts so I had to make due).  It's one wacky little circuit.  I think I may have to get a perfboard and build a permanent one.  It's just too strange to not have on hand.  It's perfectly named too.  I made some killer old school bomb dropping effects with the right knob twists.