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Title: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: WGTP on August 21, 2006, 05:05:51 PM
http://zvex.com/vexterbor.html

Let the **** begin. 

Anyone have a schematic???    :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: nelson on August 21, 2006, 05:17:07 PM
Cascaded mosfet boosts should get you close.
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: jonathan perez on August 21, 2006, 05:17:48 PM
ZVEX is THE man  :icon_cool:
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: alecacca on August 21, 2006, 05:28:22 PM
if you see better, there are some " crackle okay" near pots!
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Torchy on August 21, 2006, 05:34:40 PM
Hmmmm ... how about

Booster                 =   MOSFET boost.
Distortion Engine   =   ROG Thunderchief with improved biassing (as discussed on here).
"Crackle OK"         =   No decoupling caps leaving dc on the gain pots ?

I wonder how that would sound.
Erm, back in a bit, I, err, left the cat, I mean the kettle on ....
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: WGTP on August 21, 2006, 05:52:04 PM
IIRC Z indicated it was a Mosfet device with some special filtering, when it first appeared in some NAMM pics.   :icon_cool:
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Joe Kramer on August 21, 2006, 06:30:17 PM
Hm.  I don't want to cause trouble, but I wonder if I have a case here:

http://mcclean.org/distort/

My "Distortion Engine" pedals were made in 2000.  Anyone have opinoins/advice?

 
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Hiwatt25 on August 21, 2006, 06:38:14 PM
Joe, did you trademark that name?  If not, I'm afraid it might be a  "Good luck proving it" situation.  I hope everything works itself out.   
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: slacker on August 21, 2006, 06:39:54 PM
zvex's pedal has a distortron engine  :) not a distortion engine. Does sound a bit like WGTP's "Distron Thrust" though.
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Khas Evets on August 21, 2006, 06:41:14 PM
Post the schematic and we'll tell you if you have a case.
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Joe Kramer on August 21, 2006, 06:52:23 PM
No I didn't trademark it, but as I understand copywrite, simply putting the C symbol and a date is usually fairly credible in a court of law.  That may be different than trademarking though.

Thanks for the clarification on "distortron," that makes me feel a little better about it--at least he can't stop ME from using "distortion engine."

Quote from: Khas Evets on August 21, 2006, 06:41:14 PM
Post the schematic and we'll tell you if you have a case.

Is this blackmail?  :icon_wink:  IIUC, circuits aren't copywrite-able only patentable.  I wouldn't even dream of claiming the circuit in my Distortion Engine is original--it's not;  only the name is original.

Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: KerryF on August 21, 2006, 07:07:18 PM
Putting a "C" and the date doesnt make it Copyrighten.  You have to send the info into the Copyright office along with money.  Then its really copyrighten.
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: tcobretti on August 21, 2006, 07:13:44 PM
I have to say that this pedal sounds like a good idea to me.  I never thought about putting a distortion before a booster.  You could use the booster to drive the amp and just add a touch of distortion if you wanted a little more oomph.
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Joe Kramer on August 21, 2006, 07:18:05 PM
Quote from: call1800ksmyazz on August 21, 2006, 07:07:18 PM
Putting a "C" and the date doesnt make it Copyrighten.  You have to send the info into the Copyright office along with money.  Then its really copyrighten.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright

Read "Obtaining and Enforcing Copyright."

"A copyright need not be granted or obtained through official registration with any Government Office. Once an idea has been reduced to tangible form, for example by securing it in a fixed medium (such as a drawing, sheet music, photograph, a videotape or a letter), the copyright holder is entitled to enforce his or her exclusive rights"




Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Mark Hammer on August 21, 2006, 08:26:53 PM
Whatever the case, I'll bet you it sells great in Japan with those graphics.  It would seem they love that stuff.
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: markm on August 21, 2006, 08:33:02 PM
Joe,
Are those etched enclosures I see??  :icon_surprised:
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Joe Kramer on August 21, 2006, 08:55:44 PM
Yes, they're etched.  Done the old-fashioned way, with a Sharpie.

BTW, sorry to WGTP for thread-jacking. . . .

BTW II, note to self: it's copyright and copyrighted, not copywrite nor copywrited nor copyrighten, etc.  :icon_confused: 
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Snuffy on August 21, 2006, 09:01:08 PM
anybody played/heard/built a wolly mammoth?
I hear they're fat & sassy
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Pushtone on August 21, 2006, 11:37:17 PM
Joe,

You did those etched graphics in 2000?
You were way ahead of you time with that contribution.
Etching caught on like wildfire here 2005.
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: zachary vex on August 22, 2006, 12:34:16 AM
hey Joe,

sorry if i stepped on the toes of your pedal's name.  i did a search, naturally, but only for "distortron engine".  it never occurred to me to do a search on the other name, but when i do now, it's a very confusing set of results.  also, banzai effects uses that combination of words on their site.

honestly, i only named that half of the pedal "distortron engine" so i could pull that circuit out and use it elsewhere if need be, and refer to it by a name other than "box of rock's distortion half."  8^)

there are three super hard-on circuits in the distortron engine, with heavy filtering pre-emphasis and de-emphasis (post distortion.)  it is similar to approaches used by others over the years, in amps and pedals, but with the SHO as the basic building block, it's got its own texture.  the multiple-SHO distortion i find to be very criss/crossy, or blizzardy.  i'll be putting up a video demo soon.

z
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Cliff Schecht on August 22, 2006, 12:44:54 AM
I noticed that you had those video demo's on your site. Very good idea! I was impressed by your Ring Modulator idea also. Is it a true Ring Modulator (ie Diode Ring) or is it an adder chip of some sort?
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Joe Kramer on August 22, 2006, 01:18:35 AM
Hey Z: Thanks for your response.  Apology appreciated, but not really necessary.  Mainly my concern is to be able to go on using the name "Distortion Engine" for my stuff without any conflicts either way.  I did a search back when I built those (early 2000) and the only thing that came up at the time was a car engine analysis site.  The phrase"Distortion Engine" wasn't in use anywhere else that I could find then, but as you say, it's all over the place now.  (That is, all over except for any reference to my pedals, but maybe that's because I've built and sold only about 10 or 11 at this point.  Not exactly high profile, you think?)  Anyway, I admire your stuff, and it's a bonus to find out there's a gracious person behind it.   :icon_cool:

Hey Pushtone: Thanks for the nod, it's always nice to get some credit.  :icon_smile:  I had done a guitar pickguard out of etched aluminum as early as about '88.  Later, the idea hit me to do pedal boxes that way because the Sharpie ink by itself just kept wearing off. . . .

Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: zachary vex on August 22, 2006, 06:26:07 AM
Quote from: Cliff Schecht on August 22, 2006, 12:44:54 AM
I noticed that you had those video demo's on your site. Very good idea! I was impressed by your Ring Modulator idea also. Is it a true Ring Modulator (ie Diode Ring) or is it an adder chip of some sort?

it's a diode ring, using 4 schottkys and two transformers.
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Doug_H on August 22, 2006, 08:30:14 AM
I was thinking of playing around with stringing mosfets together like some of the jfet ideas. I think the blackstone pedal may do a similar kind of thing.

The BOR looks like it will be a cool pedal. I'm looking forward to seeing the video. 
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: d95err on August 22, 2006, 08:58:59 AM
About the copyright discussion, it looks like there was some confusion on the terminology.

A name is not complex enough to be covered by the laws on copyrights. However, when used to identify a product or technology, a name can be protected as a Trademark. The laws are similar, but it's still two different concepts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark

If I understand correctly, protection of a trademark is also automatic, but to have a real chance of defending it in court, it should preferably be registered. I assume that putting the "TM" on a name has no particular legal effect. It's just a way of making it clear that you consider it your trademark. After registering the trademark with the Trademark office (I assume this is similar to a patent application), you can put the (R) symbol on the name.


Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Paul Marossy on August 22, 2006, 10:14:24 AM
That's kind of neat how you can use the SHO circuit as building blocks for something else. Not only is it simple and unique, it seems to be versatile, too!
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: FcKw on August 22, 2006, 04:31:28 PM
There is a video on gearwire.com of you Z.Vex presenting all of your pedals on the Winter NAMM 2006 inclusive the new Box of Rock! Surely the video has not the best audio quality, but we can get a first (and short) impression. :)

http://www.gearwire.com/zvex.html
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: RDV on August 22, 2006, 05:23:58 PM
Cool Vid.

RDV
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: zachary vex on August 22, 2006, 07:25:22 PM
Erik Sexe and i are shooting the first attempt at a video for it tonight, using one of my Marshall JTM45/100 reissues.  i love those amps... so smooth!  i'm trying to get a decent signal path going...

JTM 45/100--> custom low-wattage alnico Celestion reissue cab designed for that head--> Beyer M160 hypercardiod ribbon mic a few inches off the middle of the paper part of the cone--> VMP-2 tube mic preamp--> M-Box line in--> Logic on my iBook.
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Joe Kramer on August 22, 2006, 07:58:40 PM
I can vouch for the VMP-2.   That preamp can make an SM57 sound expensive, so it ought to sound pretty good with the Beyer.  It's one of the few pieces of gear I own that's not modded (except for replacing the tubes).  Wish Peavey still made em.

Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Primus on August 22, 2006, 10:18:38 PM
You don't need to send it to the copyright office. Just put the C, the name, and the date. Registering with the copyright office has the advantage that you have a proven date of your copyright. Or, you could mail it to yourself and get it postmarked by the USPS.
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: scotsman on August 22, 2006, 10:55:52 PM
Quote from: Primus on August 22, 2006, 10:18:38 PM
You don't need to send it to the copyright office. Just put the C, the name, and the date. Registering with the copyright office has the advantage that you have a proven date of your copyright. Or, you could mail it to yourself and get it postmarked by the USPS.


Just a quick thought - if you can't prove that something is copywritten how can you expect it to be enforced?  If you are truely serious you'd better file - it's only around $20. 

Mailing it to yourself is a waste of a stamp - quite honestly.. I'd have a field day in court with someone on that issue - who's to say the envelope was sealed when it was mailed?  It's not valid at all. 
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: scaesic on August 23, 2006, 11:06:10 AM
Quote from: scotsman on August 22, 2006, 10:55:52 PM
who's to say the envelope was sealed when it was mailed?
the postal service.
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Paul Marossy on August 23, 2006, 11:12:13 AM
Quote from: scaesic on August 23, 2006, 11:06:10 AM
Quote from: scotsman on August 22, 2006, 10:55:52 PM
who's to say the envelope was sealed when it was mailed?
the postal service.


If I were in a jury, I would be quite skeptical of the mailed envelope thing. I would need some more proof than that to establish who came up with the copyright subject in question.
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: scaesic on August 23, 2006, 11:20:52 AM
Quote from: Paul Marossy on August 23, 2006, 11:12:13 AM
Quote from: scaesic on August 23, 2006, 11:06:10 AM
Quote from: scotsman on August 22, 2006, 10:55:52 PM
who's to say the envelope was sealed when it was mailed?
the postal service.


If I were in a jury, I would be quite skeptical of the mailed envelope thing. I would need some more proof than that to establish who came up with the copyright subject in question.
i don't knwo what it's like in the usa, but in the uk we have a thing called "recorded delivery". This involves you signing a slip, which the royal mail staff witness, then seal the envelope with the slip. The delivery is then signed for and witnessed by the mailman, who logs the delivery in the royal mail database.

how does a recorded signed/dated delivery receipt with the same recorded delivery number as the seal on the envelope sound for proof?
i suspect it'd also be kept on the royal mails database (to avoid them getting lawsuits), that's why you pay the extra to get it recorded.


this is pretty common practice for bands to copyright they're own material. However, personally if i was to venture into the buisness world, i would be registering any trademarks i wanted to use. things like trademarks and names are pretty easy to come up with, and are more likely to conflict.
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Paul Marossy on August 23, 2006, 11:26:24 AM
Quotehow does a recorded signed/dated delivery receipt with the same recorded delivery number as the seal on the envelope sound for proof?

We have that in the USA, too - it's called Registered Mail. That's not the problem. The problem is proving that what is in envelope today was in the envelope at the time of delivery. That's where the burden of proof is.
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Doug_H on August 23, 2006, 11:35:36 AM
Wow, how did this thread get hijacked into a "yet another" copyright discussion?!?

Looking forward to the BOR video...

Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Paul Marossy on August 23, 2006, 11:47:00 AM
Yeah! Let's get back on topic, shall we?  :icon_cool:
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: WGTP on August 23, 2006, 12:52:42 PM
No, No, No, you guys aren't doing this right at all.  This is supposed to go like the Fuzz Factory threads.  I guess I need to make up a schematic (having never seen one in person) and post it somewhere anonymously and then we can argue about whether it is the real one or not.   :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Paul Marossy on August 23, 2006, 01:00:30 PM
QuoteNo, No, No, you guys aren't doing this right at all.  This is supposed to go like the Fuzz Factory threads.  I guess I need to make up a schematic (having never seen one in person) and post it somewhere anonymously and then we can argue about whether it is the real one or not.

Oh yeah, what was I thinking?! That's the long standing tradition...  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: zachary vex on August 23, 2006, 02:18:53 PM
we've got the recording chain all set up now, and Erik will be available again tomorrow night.  it's amazing how long it takes to get everything wired up to do something like this.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/zacharyvex/setup.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/zacharyvex/amps.jpg)
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Mark Hammer on August 23, 2006, 02:28:47 PM
1) That's one right pretty-lookin amp.  That grill cloth looks spectacular, like it just came from the laundry all ironed and neatly folded.  Can you smell the jealousy from where you're sitting?

2) How will we know what is the sound of the amp and what is the sound of the pedal?  More importantly, how will we know what the pedal does to the amp that the amp can't do itself when pushed hard with its arm twisted behind its back?  That's not a snipe at the pedal.  In fact, even if it mimicked what the amp does on all knobs set to 11, that would be a good thing.  But given that the stated purpose of the pedal IS to sort of mimic such things, are you going to do any A/B-ing of the amp cranked vs the uncranked amp with pedal on?  I guess the question is "If you're going to be USING that amp with the pedal, in what ways will the demo video let the potential customer know what the amp does and differentiate it from what the pedal does?"

One final thing.  You've avoided it long enough, my friend.  Time to step up to the plate, bite the bullet, and do something with phasing. :icon_wink: :icon_eek:
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Dave_B on August 23, 2006, 02:35:53 PM
Quote from: Mark Hammer on August 23, 2006, 02:28:47 PM
One final thing.  You've avoided it long enough, my friend.  Time to step up to the plate, bite the bullet, and do something with phasing. :icon_wink: :icon_eek:
Indeed. It's not like he doesn't have the optos.   :)
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: zachary vex on August 23, 2006, 02:37:22 PM
1]  i loaned both those amps to my friend Dan Wilson when he played his last SemiSonic show here.  it was an outdoor show, about 7000 people, and they really sounded nice.  there's five of them in Minneapolis... i have two, my friend Ed has one, my friend Chris has one... and one is still for sale, in the box, at Twin Town Guitars: 612-822-3334.  pony up the dough, and it's yours.  8^)

2] we'll be recording the amp with everything on 10, as well as the clean setting we're using to demo the pedal.  you will easily be able to compare textures.  8^)

step up to the plate?  bite the bullet?  dude, i own the team, and... make love, not war.  8^D

here's my phaser:

(http://www.startrek.com/imageuploads/200312/pro-tos-phaser/320x240.jpg)
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: scaesic on August 23, 2006, 02:54:31 PM
i like how zvex refuses to make chorus and phaser pedals.

they sound cheesey!
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Mark Hammer on August 23, 2006, 03:59:07 PM
Wait.  You're suggesting that the cheesiness of everyone else's one and 2-knob phasers and choruses would override what the V-brain could imagine? :icon_rolleyes: I don't think so.

In grade 5, we used straight pens with nibs (yeah, I'm THAT old) and ink wells in the corner of our desks.  There was this....girl.....(I didn't know the B-word in grade 5) who sat behind me and would just poke her pen into my back through the slats in the chair all throuh class.  One day, I had enough.  She had jabbed me half a dozen times during French class, so I surreptitiously dipped my pen deeply into the ink well, making sure it got loaded up with as much ink as it could hold.  I held the base of the pen with one hand and pulled back on the nib as far as I could safely do, like Robin Hood pulling his bowstring, then turned around and let fly.  Shaeffer's pea%^&* blue never looked so good as it did all over her shocked face.  Revenge was never so sweet, nor so polka-dotted.

I'm gonna continue to pester Mr. V about doing something with phasing, the same way that gal poked me in the back.  Why?  Because I know at some point, he will eventually respond in creatively explosive manner, the way I did, and its gonna be the Jackson Pollock of phasing. And we will all have sly grins on our faces, the same way the French teacher did that afternoon.  :icon_biggrin:
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Joe Kramer on August 23, 2006, 04:13:32 PM
Or, this being DIYstompboxes, you could make your own.   :icon_wink:
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: scaesic on August 23, 2006, 04:43:43 PM
i'd like an octave down/organ style effect over a phasor or chorus. I HATE both, even the most expensive units.

i think an octavedown/organ into a johnny octave  (or vice versa) would give pretty intresting results :)

although i may be shocked, i hated wahwahs till i heard the oohwah...
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: jonathan perez on August 23, 2006, 04:49:50 PM
how about a mellotron in a can...
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: zerohero on August 23, 2006, 05:12:19 PM
really random, but i love how you are using an Mbox, but recording into logic, being a music engineer myself i love that irony, also the fact that i love logic and am not a big fan of pro-tools
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: WGTP on August 23, 2006, 05:22:19 PM
Does anyone have the schematic for that phaser and does Small Bear have the parts?   I think the stun setting would be particularly useful for the cat and full on my come in handy next time I go to the mall.  Or, I guess you could just run it straight into the input jack.

On a more serious note, can you run the output to the input to sound like a JTM45 driven by a SHO.  :icon_cool: 



Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: phaeton on August 23, 2006, 06:06:48 PM
Quote from: RDV on August 22, 2006, 05:23:58 PM
Cool Vid.

RDV

Absolutely.  Zachary is good at presentation too.  I like the demos on his website, and from those you can tell he's actually a pretty funny guy, too. ;)  Nice to put a face to the name, too.

Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: KerryF on August 23, 2006, 06:49:27 PM


Absolutely.  Zachary is good at presentation too.  I like the demos on his website, and from those you can tell he's actually a pretty funny guy, too. ;)  Nice to put a face to the name, too.


[/quote]

Same.  Hes good at these demos.  I can watch them all day.  And I like some of the humor on them too.
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: zachary vex on August 23, 2006, 07:08:31 PM
well thanks, guys!

8^)

and when i was in 2nd grade i snapped a rubber band at Cheri Capron because i thought she was cute, and it hit her in the eye and she cried tons of crocodile tears and i had to go to the office and when i went home i was punished as well (no tv or something).  but in the end, when we had our 25 year reunion, she was really fat and a total lush.  so i'm glad that didn't work out.  8^)
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: phaeton on August 23, 2006, 08:34:03 PM
Quote from: zachary vex on August 23, 2006, 07:08:31 PM
well thanks, guys!

8^)

and when i was in 2nd grade i snapped a rubber band at Cheri Capron because i thought she was cute, and it hit her in the eye and she cried tons of crocodile tears and i had to go to the office and when i went home i was punished as well (no tv or something).  but in the end, when we had our 25 year reunion, she was really fat and a total lush.  so i'm glad that didn't work out.  8^)

Didja ever consider that maybe the rubber band impacting the her eye caused swelling and fluid deprivation in her frontal lobe, and in turn set off a minsiculely slow but steady chain reaction that would one day turn her into a fat, smelly lush?   :o
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: jonathan perez on August 23, 2006, 08:52:14 PM
Quote from: phaeton on August 23, 2006, 08:34:03 PM
Quote from: zachary vex on August 23, 2006, 07:08:31 PM
well thanks, guys!

8^)

and when i was in 2nd grade i snapped a rubber band at Cheri Capron because i thought she was cute, and it hit her in the eye and she cried tons of crocodile tears and i had to go to the office and when i went home i was punished as well (no tv or something).  but in the end, when we had our 25 year reunion, she was really fat and a total lush.  so i'm glad that didn't work out.  8^)

Didja ever consider that maybe the rubber band impacting the her eye caused swelling and fluid deprivation in her frontal lobe, and in turn set off a minsiculely slow but steady chain reaction that would one day turn her into a fat, smelly lush?   :o

MELLOTRON!  :D
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: zachary vex on August 24, 2006, 03:52:14 AM
Quote from: phaeton on August 23, 2006, 08:34:03 PM
Didja ever consider that maybe the rubber band impacting the her eye caused swelling and fluid deprivation in her frontal lobe, and in turn set off a minsiculely slow but steady chain reaction that would one day turn her into a fat, smelly lush?   :o

maybe i liked her mom.  her mom was the sexiest woman on our block.  8^)
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Cliff Schecht on August 24, 2006, 03:55:13 AM
Quote from: Mark Hammer on August 23, 2006, 03:59:07 PM
Wait.  You're suggesting that the cheesiness of everyone else's one and 2-knob phasers and choruses would override what the V-brain could imagine? :icon_rolleyes: I don't think so.

In grade 5, we used straight pens with nibs (yeah, I'm THAT old) and ink wells in the corner of our desks.  There was this....girl.....(I didn't know the B-word in grade 5) who sat behind me and would just poke her pen into my back through the slats in the chair all throuh class.  One day, I had enough.  She had jabbed me half a dozen times during French class, so I surreptitiously dipped my pen deeply into the ink well, making sure it got loaded up with as much ink as it could hold.  I held the base of the pen with one hand and pulled back on the nib as far as I could safely do, like Robin Hood pulling his bowstring, then turned around and let fly.  Shaeffer's pea%^&* blue never looked so good as it did all over her shocked face.  Revenge was never so sweet, nor so polka-dotted.

I'm gonna continue to pester Mr. V about doing something with phasing, the same way that gal poked me in the back.  Why?  Because I know at some point, he will eventually respond in creatively explosive manner, the way I did, and its gonna be the Jackson Pollock of phasing. And we will all have sly grins on our faces, the same way the French teacher did that afternoon.  :icon_biggrin:


Funny, today my dad gave me a Parker Big Red from the 20's that he used in college. I guess some sort of tradition is getting started here.
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Doug_H on August 24, 2006, 08:24:35 AM
Quote from: zachary vex on August 23, 2006, 02:37:22 PM
2] we'll be recording the amp with everything on 10, as well as the clean setting we're using to demo the pedal.  you will easily be able to compare textures.  8^)

Wow! Sounds like a helluva good test! I haven't heard anyone go to that extreme to demo their "amp pedal" before. This should be really interesting. Thanks for going to the trouble for the benefit of stompbox science. :icon_wink:

BTW, I remember squeezing a mustard pack which exploded and ruined a girl's dress when I was in 5th grade. I didn't  get sent the office that particular time...
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: WGTP on August 24, 2006, 09:19:01 AM
I did the same thing with a rubber band when I supposedly was grown up and had a job, but it slipped off my thumb and hit ME in the eye.  Wonder if workers comp would have covered that.   :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Mark Hammer on August 24, 2006, 10:09:30 AM
Quote from: zachary vex on August 24, 2006, 03:52:14 AM
Quote from: phaeton on August 23, 2006, 08:34:03 PM
Didja ever consider that maybe the rubber band impacting the her eye caused swelling and fluid deprivation in her frontal lobe, and in turn set off a minsiculely slow but steady chain reaction that would one day turn her into a fat, smelly lush?   :o

maybe i liked her mom.  her mom was the sexiest woman on our block.  8^)
Wait a sec.  I 've seen that music video.  Fountains of Wayne, right?  Cheri's mom has got it goin' on.
Quote from: Cliff Schecht on August 24, 2006, 03:55:13 AM
Funny, today my dad gave me a Parker Big Red from the 20's that he used in college. I guess some sort of tradition is getting started here.
Either the same, or previous year, I was sitting in class absent-mindedly gnawing on the end of a plastic ink cartridge of my own fountain pen.  It popped open in my mouth, and though I was waving my arm for teacher to see, she pretended not to notice.  When she finally responded and asked "What is it?", I opened my mouth and stuck out my tongue.  I was summarily dispatched to the washroom, where I spent the next 20 minutes tasting the delights of grade school washroom soap from the dispenser.  It smells better than it tastes, kids.  Take my word.  I had "some essplaining to do" when I got home.

I dunno.   Maybe they shouldn't let you take your Parker on an airplane for good reason.  Ink is more dangerous than you'd think. :icon_lol:
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: phaeton on August 24, 2006, 10:50:54 AM
I guess if we're talking about ruining girls dresses and lives in gradeschool......

I hated school circa 2nd grade or so.  Absolutely hated it.  I think we've discussed the reasons before.  Anyways...  So semi-frequently I'd get up in the morning and do the "mom, can I stay home, I don't feel well" thing.  So she'd plop a thermometer into my mouth and walk away for a few minutes (maybe to go wake up my sister).  As soon as she was gone I'd pull the thermometer out and either hold it over the wood stove or flip on the toaster and hold it down inside the 'one slice' slot, and stick it back into my mouth when I heard her coming (got burnt a few times, mind you).

Well, there were plenty of mornings where I was apparently running a fever of about 178F.  Enough so that one time I really was sick, I got the 'boy who cried wolf' story and was packed off to school.  And so that was the day that I huffed Wheat Chex all over the back of Cynthia Pinkerton.  Did quite a job, too- got it in her pretty blonde hair, all over her dress, even some onto the books in front of her.

She was cute too, but maybe this has something to do with why I never got any Cynthia Luvvins.
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: WGTP on August 24, 2006, 11:01:47 AM
OK back to business.  Z any pre/post EQ emphasis/de-emphasis comments you'd like to share with us???    :icon_cool:
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Doug_H on August 24, 2006, 11:09:11 AM
Quote from: WGTP on August 24, 2006, 11:01:47 AM
OK back to business.  Z any pre/post EQ emphasis/de-emphasis comments you'd like to share with us???    :icon_cool:

Come on man... With all the pedal designs, "amp pedals", history and etc in this place for the last 6 yrs you can't find any ideas for EQ'ing in a MOSFET pedal here or in the archives?? :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:

Back to the vomit stories:

When I was in 1st grade I upchucked a bowl of Cap'n Crunch all over the hallway while we were waiting for school to start. No girls or other students/teachers in my path but wow, what an impressive puddle I made!

Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Mark Hammer on August 24, 2006, 11:11:46 AM
Did anybody remark "My, that's shrill!" ? :icon_wink:
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: WGTP on August 24, 2006, 11:54:27 AM
OK, when I was in the 4th grade, I let it go in the hallway at school, but only hit a kid with a flat top on his white sweatshirt, nothing too spectacular.   :icon_rolleyes:

Sure all kinds of EQ stuff, but I wanted to see what Z had to say about it.   :icon_cool:
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: newbie builder on August 24, 2006, 12:04:01 PM
When I was in 6th they were taking the class up to the snow on little windy roads......lets just say it didn't end well for the kid and his ski boots sitting next to me.
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: MartyMart on August 24, 2006, 12:14:33 PM
I was at a party ( school disco ! ) when I was about 14 and had managed to "pull" the
"school blonde" ( well she was obviously drunk ) who was very attractive, in a "Swedish"
sort of way .......

During a "snogging session" ( french kisses ) outside , she pulled to one side and almost "threw up" on me !!

NICE  :icon_eek:

..... that was the end of that little petting session :D  :icon_rolleyes:


I could never quite look at her the same way after that ......
MM
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Mark Hammer on August 24, 2006, 12:26:46 PM
Buddy of mine had saved his shekels to take a young woman out to a fancy place in town for a holiday-time dinner aimed squarely as pre-snogging foreplay.

He attended the Xmas party in the university library where he was working part-time and had a little too much of the "budget" wine.  He then went to meet the young lass at the fancy restaurant, and promptly showed her all the wine he had drunk and hors d'oeuvres he had eaten by laying them all out, liquid style, on the restaurant table.  Apparently she declined to respond to his phone calls after that.

My goodness this is turning into a pathetic little thread, ain't it.  Zack is standing to one side sratching his head muttering "Hey, how did *I* get dragged into all of this?  How'd we go from 'Box of Rock' to 'Bag of Barf'? " :icon_lol:
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: phaeton on August 24, 2006, 01:09:01 PM
Quote from: Mark Hammer on August 24, 2006, 12:26:46 PM
My goodness this is turning into a pathetic little thread, ain't it.  Zack is standing to one side sratching his head muttering "Hey, how did *I* get dragged into all of this?  How'd we go from 'Box of Rock' to 'Bag of Barf'? " :icon_lol:

I was wondering about that too....  Zach saying "uhh... I think I need to take a break from that place for awhile"...


Thenagain, perhaps we'll inspire a "Zvex Puke-o-tron", or come up with some ideas for the September FX-X...  :o
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: AL on August 24, 2006, 01:27:20 PM
QuoteWait a sec.  I 've seen that music video.  Fountains of Wayne, right?  Cheri's mom has got it goin' on.

Uhhh, Mark I think you've been hangin' out at the wrong house. Stacy's Mom has got it goin' on. Don't know about Cheri's mom but Cheri (and her comic book) was a little cutie so I would imagine her mom has got it goin' on too.

Now get back to work or I'll bring out.... the comfy chair !!!   :icon_eek:

AL
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Doug_H on August 24, 2006, 01:32:27 PM
Quote from: AL on August 24, 2006, 01:27:20 PM
QuoteWait a sec.  I 've seen that music video.  Fountains of Wayne, right?  Cheri's mom has got it goin' on.

Uhhh, Mark I think you've been hangin' out at the wrong house. Stacy's Mom has got it goin' on.

Hey "Welcome, Interstate Managers" is really a good album! My daughter burned a copy of it for my wife and I listen to it whenever I drive her car. Those guys are/were one of the most inventive and fun pop/rock bands to come out in a long time. 8)

Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: zachary vex on August 24, 2006, 04:42:15 PM
Cheri's mom really did have it goin' on.  and what's with all the puke stories?  i have a rubber band wallet to this day.  perhaps i'm still seeking closure.  8^)

Erik will be here in 19 minutes to continue work on the video.  8^D
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Mark Hammer on August 24, 2006, 04:50:27 PM
I assume you've seen the GP review of BOR?
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: zachary vex on August 24, 2006, 05:34:55 PM
heard about it.  any good?
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: phaeton on August 24, 2006, 05:35:21 PM
Quote from: zachary vex on August 24, 2006, 04:42:15 PM


Erik will be here in 19 minutes to continue work on the puke documentary video.  8^D

fix't

;D
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: WGTP on August 24, 2006, 05:40:15 PM
http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?sectioncode=6&storycode=15504

Good article, nice comments about BOR and also the FullDrive.   :icon_cool:

The first honest-to-God distortion box to spring from the bench of effects maker Zachary Vex, the Box of Rock ($299 retail/$199 street) melds elements of the Super Hard On overdriver with a new grind circuit to deliver kick-ass distortion tones that are squarely in the old Marshall camp. In fact, this pedal sounded particularly dynamite though a mid-'70s Marshall 50-watt, where it showcased complex grind and excellent dynamic response and touch sensitivity. Activating the Boost footswitch lets you increase the output dramatically, and this function (which includes a Boost control) can also be used independently of the distortion channel for delivering maximum clean output. Needless to say, used in tandem with a high setting on the distortion channel, the output is almost scary. The B of R's only quirks were scratchy sounding Boost and Drive pots (note the "Crackle Okay" labels on these controls), but in all other regards, this long-awaited Vex pedal offers everything needed to handle a wide range of distortion and overdrive applications.Z. Vex Effects, (952) 285-9545; zvexeffects.com
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: cakeworks on August 24, 2006, 06:09:59 PM
About 10 years ago, I was at daycare (yes I am well and truly still a kid). Some girl was convinced we were gonna get married one day (and hey, I wasn't gonna complain, I was the skinny short red-head kid with just-too-many freckles). I was on the upper level of some play equiptment and she was climbing up the ladder to get up there too (she didnt know I was up there) and I hid behind a panel in the railing. As she reached the top but was still on the ladder, I jumped out and went 'Raah!' in some attempt to scare her...

Well she fell 2.5 metres and broke her collar bone... well needless to say, I havnt spoken to here in about ... 10 years hehe

why does all the bad stuff happen to girls
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: markm on August 24, 2006, 06:17:04 PM
Interesting thread......
Dr. Phil will probably show up here any minute now  :icon_biggrin:
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Dave_B on August 24, 2006, 06:30:41 PM
Quote from: WGTP on August 24, 2006, 05:40:15 PMThe B of R's only quirks were scratchy sounding Boost and Drive pots (note the "Crackle Okay" labels on these controls),
Don't reviewers normally contact a pedal maker for explanations on things like this?  I can see a person mistaking the crackling for an issue if it's not explained. 
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: zachary vex on August 24, 2006, 06:40:51 PM
the reviewer did mention the "crackle okay" labels on those two controls.  i think he just didn't like the crackling sound anyway... it is pretty annoying.  but i'm never going to stop making products with those controls... the straightforwardness of that type of gain control is just too elegant.
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: R.G. on August 24, 2006, 08:00:20 PM
Quote... it is pretty annoying.  but i'm never going to stop making products with those controls... the straightforwardness of that type of gain control is just too elegant.
...chuckle...
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: KerryF on August 24, 2006, 09:23:42 PM
Mr. Vex, any updates on the video for the BOR?  I am really looking forward to it!  Erik ever come and record with you yet?  Awsome, cant wait to see it.  :icon_biggrin:
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: Cliff Schecht on August 24, 2006, 09:27:22 PM
I got shot in the eye with an airsoft pistol in the midst of a war in my dorms hallways last year. That hurt.
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: markm on August 24, 2006, 09:40:47 PM
Quote from: Cliff Schecht on August 24, 2006, 09:27:22 PM
I got shot in the eye with an airsoft pistol in the midst of a war in my dorms hallways last year. That hurt.

who won?
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: phaeton on August 24, 2006, 11:17:12 PM
Quote from: R.G. on August 24, 2006, 08:00:20 PM
Quote... it is pretty annoying.  but i'm never going to stop making products with those controls... the straightforwardness of that type of gain control is just too elegant.
...chuckle...

???
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: zachary vex on August 25, 2006, 03:37:51 AM
Quote from: phaeton on August 24, 2006, 11:17:12 PM
Quote from: R.G. on August 24, 2006, 08:00:20 PM
Quote... it is pretty annoying.  but i'm never going to stop making products with those controls... the straightforwardness of that type of gain control is just too elegant.
...chuckle...

???

it's just rg insulting me again.  it was good enough for Neve when he designed the Philips recording consoles in the late 60's with mic pre gain controls that switched between various emitter resistors, so it's certainly good enough for me.  8^)  you had to mute the channel every time you switched that gain control or it sounded like the console was exploding.
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: petemoore on August 25, 2006, 08:03:07 AM
   "Laugh out Lounge"
  I don't know why it's so funny  ;D...
  Need one now that's "Chuckle Okay" !!
Title: Re: New Zvex Distortion
Post by: WGTP on August 25, 2006, 09:32:48 AM
If we were talking about a new distortion by anyones else, would this thread have gone like this?  Is this a tribute to Z's uniqueness???

I was pre-mature (pre-mature, I've been thinking about this all week - joke, different type of pre-mature) in initiating a Fuzz Factory type post.  Probably need to wait until the BOR is more famous.

Why is it that Jfets seem to get all the press rather than Mosfets.  Surely having a greater tendency to blow up isn't it. 

I still think the 2N7000 has the sexiest part number of all, like some new appliance from the Jetsons.   :icon_cool: