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Title: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: Dragonfly on February 20, 2008, 11:08:39 PM
...from Radio Shack parts, would you be interested ?

Its a easy to build fuzz that sounds, IMO, really freakin' good.

(Everything except the footswitch comes from Radio Shack !)

Just one of those things where if I'm going to take the time to write up the tutorial, complete with schematic, parts list, layout, pictures, etc...I want some people to build it, you know ? :)

SOUND SAMPLE OF RADIO SHACK FUZZ (http://www.filefreak.com/pfiles/49560/RS%20FUZZ.mp3)


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Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: kjc on February 20, 2008, 11:28:40 PM
Sounds Cool...I'm in!  :icon_smile:
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: gutsofgold on February 20, 2008, 11:36:42 PM
For some reason when the fuzz kicked on I immediately thought of black sabbath  :icon_eek:. And because of that you can count me interested!
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: stumper1 on February 20, 2008, 11:45:51 PM
Guess I gotta start somewhere :icon_biggrin:  Every time I hear your Fuzz clips I want to build one.  Then I remember the 8 or 9 different fuzzes I built and tweaked and hated.....   Usually I just come to the conclusion that I'm just not a Fuzz guy - even though I hear clips of other players that sound fantastic.

Must be time to try again. 8)
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: zachomega on February 20, 2008, 11:48:27 PM
So when are you posting the schematic?  :D

-Zach
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: km-r on February 21, 2008, 12:04:34 AM
+1 black sabbath!

im interested! this aint gonna be a huge build, is it?
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: burnt fingers on February 21, 2008, 12:12:46 AM
I think it would be a great idea if nothing else because then anyone who wants to get into this could go get the parts from a local rat shack to at least build somehting.

I know it's a little frustrating if you want to try this but don't know if you'll be any good or like it to have to order parts online.

I think a lot of people would dig it if there was a tutorial like the beginner project that they could go right to radio shack, get the parts, and build the same day.

Scott
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: Alex C on February 21, 2008, 01:16:44 AM
Quote from: burnt fingers on February 21, 2008, 12:12:46 AMI think a lot of people would dig it if there was a tutorial like the beginner project that they could go right to radio shack, get the parts, and build the same day.

There is!  The Tweak-O (http://www.smallbearelec.com/Projects/TweakO/TweakO.htm) was my first build.
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: culturejam on February 21, 2008, 01:20:24 AM
Like a Texas Hold 'Em degenerate gambler, I'm *all in*.  ;D

Whether perf or one of those Radio Shack "pcb" prototype boards, I will definitely build one.

And assuming that the parts count is reasonably low, I'll take a stab at a PCB layout.

Once again, thanks for sharing.  :)
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: culturejam on February 21, 2008, 01:22:23 AM
Quote from: Dragonfly on February 20, 2008, 11:08:39 PM
(Everything except the footswitch comes from Radio Shack !)

If you provide a wiring diagram for a DPDT with no LED, then folks could use a Radio Shack-available toggle switch instead of a stomp switch to build it.
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: MasaRGR on February 21, 2008, 02:07:29 AM
Everytime I'm about ready to order parts for one of your fuzzes... you come out with another design that I like more than the previous one lol.

Oh, and yes, please  8)
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: Cardboard Tube Samurai on February 21, 2008, 03:25:07 AM
DO IT!!!
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: ambulancevoice on February 21, 2008, 03:30:12 AM
Quote from: Cardboard Tube Samurai on February 21, 2008, 03:25:07 AM
DO IT!!!

DO IT NOW!!!
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: ~arph on February 21, 2008, 04:25:41 AM
Quote from: Dragonfly on February 20, 2008, 11:08:39 PM
...from Radio Shack parts, would you be interested ?
???

Nah, no radioshack in europe  ;) plus I'm breeding on a PWM controlled phaser for a couple of days now, no time for fuzz  :icon_eek:
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: greigoroth on February 21, 2008, 06:36:29 AM
+1 for the poor Europeans without Radioshack... but I say do it anyway - love your work Andy!
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: Cardboard Tube Samurai on February 21, 2008, 07:01:51 AM
No Radioshack within 900km of my place either but you don't see me whinging... bloody poms  :icon_razz:

Now make with the schematic already Dragonfly!!!!
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: drewl on February 21, 2008, 08:04:30 AM
Nice work, sounds good.
Thick and fuzzy, not too bassy....good definition while playing chords.

Luckily the "RatShack" closest to me is one that carries alot of components and parts.
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: petemoore on February 21, 2008, 08:14:44 AM
  I tried to order what they're not stocking now, and they said we can recieve payment, and give you a reciept [for the high priced parts] and have them shipped to your door  ???.
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: ~arph on February 21, 2008, 08:38:23 AM
Yeah, I'm still interested of course!

I breadboarded the VMF in front of an inductorless wah and it was really nice.
But the one fuzz I liked the most in your gallery was lacking a schematic.. :(

It's the.. eehh {searches} ....Hotfoot fuzz (http://www.aronnelson.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=17265), only an mp3 on the mainpage, maybe you can enlighten us on that one too  ;D

Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: drewl on February 21, 2008, 08:45:26 AM
Quote from: petemoore on February 21, 2008, 08:14:44 AM
  I tried to order what they're not stocking now, and they said we can recieve payment, and give you a reciept [for the high priced parts] and have them shipped to your door  ???.

I've ordered from them online and recieved my order promptly.
They have ALOT of things online that don't offer in the stores.
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: DDD on February 21, 2008, 09:47:06 AM
The next step should be "How to build this fuzz from the nearest drugstore components". Waiting for the clips... ;-)
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: John Lyons on February 21, 2008, 09:52:01 AM
Andy sure like to build suspense huh?

Everything he builds turns to (fuzzy) gold.

john

Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: Marcos - Munky on February 21, 2008, 10:45:03 AM
I'm in too!!!
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: DBDbadreligion on February 21, 2008, 11:01:46 AM
im definately in.  it sounds great and it would be fun.
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: Austin73 on February 21, 2008, 12:28:00 PM
Well we might not have Rat Shack here in the UK but we do have the mighty MAPLIN!

Now make with the vero!

Cheers

Aus
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: soggybag on February 21, 2008, 12:48:00 PM
Post your stuff and I'll swing by the RS on my lunch break.
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: Dragonfly on February 21, 2008, 12:55:28 PM
Quote from: soggybag on February 21, 2008, 12:48:00 PM
Post your stuff and I'll swing by the RS on my lunch break.

its gonna take me a couple days to put together the schematic, parts list, layout, and instructions...

But if you want to pick up some stuff, I'll post the "preliminary" parts list for you....I think its all there, but I still need to double check everything. You'll also need a SHORT #6 machine screw and nut to attach the battery holder.

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-11/1226934/RSFUZZPARTSLIST.GIF)

Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: MikeH on February 21, 2008, 01:30:51 PM
Very cool idea!  When I first started building my biggest apprehension was the difficulty (at least I thought so then) of getting parts.  To know you could go somewhere and ACTUALLY SEE the component you're buying and make sure it's correct would make that first hump a lot easier to get over.
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: DBDbadreligion on February 21, 2008, 04:03:23 PM
great thanks for the list.
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: drewl on February 21, 2008, 05:27:34 PM
That's too much work.....
How about if I just stroll 10ft over to racks of parts in the lab at work and build instead? ;D
Sorry, I had to be jerk,
keep up the good work.
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: soggybag on February 21, 2008, 06:08:02 PM
You don't have a PCB of any type listed. Will this be a point to point project...
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: Dragonfly on February 21, 2008, 06:55:10 PM
Quote from: soggybag on February 21, 2008, 06:08:02 PM
You don't have a PCB of any type listed. Will this be a point to point project...

7th item on the list. ;)
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: brett on February 21, 2008, 07:04:53 PM
Mr Fly - What's with that second item? Fifteen transistors.  How many are in this thing?
Please, please show it soon. 
(Any chance of showing it at a link?  My work's web filtering system takes some of the images out of this forum's discussions. Arggh.)
Thanks for the great fuzzy work.
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: zeppelinchld on February 21, 2008, 07:33:11 PM
i doubt that there are 15 transistors in this fuzz
its just that RS sells packs of 15 2n2222 2n3904 and 2n4401
personally i think its not a bad deal especially for a beginner, i also support getting the packs of resistors
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: drewl on February 21, 2008, 08:49:11 PM
Agreed, I always buy a bunch of stuff, because sooner or later I'll need it, and you usually get price breaks when ordering 10 or more items.
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: Dragonfly on February 21, 2008, 09:06:30 PM
Quote from: zeppelinchld on February 21, 2008, 07:33:11 PM
i doubt that there are 15 transistors in this fuzz
its just that RS sells packs of 15 2n2222 2n3904 and 2n4401
personally i think its not a bad deal especially for a beginner, i also support getting the packs of resistors

Exactly.

This is an EASY build that also "sets up" the builder with parts to continue in the hobby.

I'm trying to make things as simple as possible, including making the perf layout "look like" the schematic so its easier for the beginner to follow. It would be easy to make a smaller layout, but my primary concern is having a new builder be able to "easily" complete the build and have a great sounding fuzz pedal. The "15 transistor pack" also allows people to "experiment" and check out what each combo sounds like.
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: brett on February 21, 2008, 09:13:28 PM
Guys and girls - I was just kidding around about the number of transistors. 

Given what Dragonfly can achieve with 2 transistors and maybe a diode, I expect this would contain about 2.5 transistors.

Maybe its a weird Australian humour thing.  Or maybe too much lead and solder fumes and tiny schematics.  :icon_wink:
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: Dragonfly on February 21, 2008, 10:43:16 PM
I knew what you were saying Brett... ;)

I just didnt want anyone to get scared off !  :P

Seriously though...this circuit is not far off from a FF...nothing groundbreaking at all...but has tremendous sustain, and pretty much is just a really great sounding fuzz.
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: gutsofgold on February 21, 2008, 10:47:57 PM
Hey Dragonfly, did you get a chance to check to your stock for the transistors for the swirly fuzz?

I think if I cant source the trans for that build I'll just give this one a try.
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: 12milluz on February 21, 2008, 10:48:24 PM
Sounds great! This will be the first build on my breadboard when it comes in a few days. :icon_lol:
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: 12milluz on February 23, 2008, 11:33:34 AM
Hey Andrew! I'm getting a little impatient here :D :P

Schematic?
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: Derringer on February 23, 2008, 01:46:56 PM
wow man ... prolific!

I love the idea too ... all RS parts so that anyone can easily obtain them !
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: Cardboard Tube Samurai on February 26, 2008, 04:27:28 AM
:icon_neutral:
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: petemoore on February 26, 2008, 05:14:48 AM
  'to the tune of 'If I Fell'
  ...
  If I gave my Fuzz to you...
  I must be sure
  From the very start
  that you would Fuzz it more than her
  Cause she coudn't stand the Gain
  And I...would be sad if our new Fuzz
  Was in vain....
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: jayp5150 on February 26, 2008, 03:53:16 PM
Quote from: petemoore on February 26, 2008, 05:14:48 AM
  'to the tune of 'If I Fell'
  ...
  If I gave my Fuzz to you...
  I must be sure
  From the very start
  that you would Fuzz it more than her
  Cause she coudn't stand the Gain
  And I...would be sad if our new Fuzz
  Was in vain....

If you give a man a fuzz, he will fuzz for a day; if you teach a man to fuzz, he will fuzz for his lifetime...
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: Dragonfly on February 26, 2008, 05:05:30 PM
layout, schematic, and part list are done...just gotta do the photo essay part ! :)
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: brett on February 26, 2008, 05:46:22 PM
Please post that schematic soon.

I feel caught between Rock and a Fuzzy place...

hehehe
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: Cardboard Tube Samurai on February 29, 2008, 09:54:47 PM
Aaaaawwwwww c'mon!!!! I've got a weekend free and nothing on my breadboard at the moment. This is getting frustrating. Talk about a dick-tease
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: Dragonfly on February 29, 2008, 10:08:52 PM
I'm gonna try to do a photo tutorial and a MUCH better looking (visually) layout, but heres the schemo and a VERY basic layout. The layout was designed to MATCH the schematic, so that beginners could easily see the similarities, and start to be able to work out their own layouts. As for the schematic, at first glance it looks like a standard Fuzz Face...but a closer look shows that the output comes from the Q2 emitter / 10k junction instead on the usual 470/8k2 junction...also, the feedback resistor is larger, which limits feedback just enough that, in conjunction with Q1's emitter resistor (1k) and the .022uf cap paralleling the 10k resistor, mellows out and cuts the gain of the silicon transistors, allowing a much sweeter sound. I used 2N2222 transistors in the "sound sample" build, but I would recommend socketing the transistors and experimenting. Obviously you could also sub a trim pot for the 10k resistor. IMO, this circuit kind of sounds like a very nice hybrid of a tonebender and a fuzz face, except it still has its own "character", if you know what I mean. Anyway, like I said, I'll try to post more "in depth" stuff soon, but for you guys who have been so patiently waiting....

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-11/1226934/RSFUZZ.GIF)

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-11/1226934/RADIOSHACKFUZZLAYOUT.GIF)
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: BINGEWOOD on February 29, 2008, 10:28:03 PM
Thanks DF!  I'm gunna throw it on the breadboard ASAP.

I think you meant to say the output is from Q2's collector.
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: danielzink on March 01, 2008, 12:18:53 AM
Okay - go easy on me here - I'm still learning.

Couple of questions.

#1. Can I use (or would the be any validity in using) - this rotary switch with these caps on it (.002,.005,.01,.02,.033) as a "tone" control ? This thing has been rattling around my parts box forever - and I'd like to use it somewhere.
(http://pws.cablespeed.com/~danielzink/rotary.jpg)

#2. Socketing is mentioned - if I have a couple of germanium NPN's hanging around - would they work as well ?

Thanks, Dan
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: burnt fingers on March 01, 2008, 12:22:14 AM
Nice work.

I think this should be stickied so beginners can jump right into this after the Gus Boost.  It's a good stepping stone.

Scott
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: Cardboard Tube Samurai on March 01, 2008, 02:04:10 AM
Good God that's an awesome sounding fuzz! Just breadboarded it using 2 x 2N3904s and it's gotta be the nicest sounding fuzz I have breadboarded. I made a few substitutes due to not having suggested components... used a 100k instead of 120k and subbed .027uf instead of .022's. I tried subbing input caps (.47, .1, .01) but really didn't get the same kind of buzz... might try higher values. I also experimented with a clipping section at the end of the circuit and found that some germaniums gave it a fairly nice tone, though I think I preferred the fat boost of LEDs.

Now to work on a tone stack!
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: LMJS on March 01, 2008, 09:37:02 AM
If you are breadboarding try this:

474K in place of .22uf
.1uf in place of .022uf
and maybe a switch to bring in two IN4148 diodes wired for asymmetrical clipping on the output pot.

Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: danielzink on March 01, 2008, 07:03:26 PM
I hope it was okay to do this. If not please tell me - I don't want to cross any lines here. I had some spare time today and put this together.

Please feel free to critique etc.

(http://pws.cablespeed.com/~danielzink/rsfuzz.gif)
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: pott on March 01, 2008, 08:15:26 PM
It uses a 3PDT but it doesn't have a LED..?

For the UK people, this should be doable from Maplin parts as they have the 2N3904s. The other parts are pretty common. They also stock proper cases and perboard.
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: Dragonfly on March 01, 2008, 08:44:10 PM
Quote from: pott on March 01, 2008, 08:15:26 PM
It uses a 3PDT but it doesn't have a LED..?

It's a build thats specifically geared toward "beginners"....therefore, no LED and power jack. It's important that beginners have "easy to build" projects to help them gain confidence and enjoy the hobby.

3PDT's are basically the same price as DPDT's, and pretty much just as easy to find.
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: pott on March 01, 2008, 08:49:08 PM
Oh cool. In the UK you can't get them except on some online stores, mostly guitar related. DPDTs you can get anywhere though.

And I can't believe I didn't see the missing power jackplug. Doh!
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: drewl on March 01, 2008, 10:29:23 PM
ooh I can't wait to try it!
I've got it built but didn't know what to use for transistors, but if it sounds good with 2222's awesome....we have thousands of those, 3904's, and A06's at work.
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: chindog on March 07, 2008, 06:20:56 PM
placemarker...   so I can find this thread again.
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: danielzink on March 11, 2008, 11:45:34 AM
Anyone have a suggestion for a basic tone control for this (and how to impliment it).

The build went well. This was my first "from scratch" build in many years as well as my first attempt at etching (took 2 trys w/photresist board - but that's another story). It's just a little "bassy" for me - I'd like a little more -adjustable- treble - not just replacing a resistor.

I've looked at thw SWTC - but not sure if this would be the best application.

Thanks for any help, Dan
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: Dragonfly on March 11, 2008, 01:44:15 PM
Quote from: danielzink on March 11, 2008, 11:45:34 AM

The build went well. This was my first "from scratch" build in many years as well as my first attempt at etching (took 2 trys w/photresist board - but that's another story). It's just a little "bassy" for me - I'd like a little more -adjustable- treble - not just replacing a resistor.


changing the output cap and the cap that parallels the collector resistor of q2 will brighten it up.

then you could tack on a swtc if necessary
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: gutsofgold on March 11, 2008, 04:20:20 PM
Just got done breadboarding this with all recycled and left over free parts. Sounds exactly like the recording when I play it thought my 18 watt clone. Really excited on this one! Thanks Andrew.

Since this has only a few vital parts to it, an explanation of the circuit would be immensely helpful. Well for me atleast  :icon_redface: . Such as what each parts function is.

Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: deaconque on March 11, 2008, 11:15:54 PM
I'd like to build this, but could someone tell me how the layout earlier in the thread worked.
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: trotskyismyniece on March 11, 2008, 11:33:40 PM
I got so excited about this, I wrote down all the parts and got out to radioshack.....only to find that the two RS's around me don't stock DPDT footswitches of any kind :icon_eek:.  I looked on the website and couldn't even find DPDT footswitches there, so I can't get a DPDT at all.  I was hoping to try this and the beginner boost project to get into this, and then buy a bunch of parts in bulk, including 3PDT footswitches, if I enjoyed myself so that I could build away.  Looks like I have to take the plunge and get at least the switches online.
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: deaconque on March 12, 2008, 12:06:57 AM
I had the same problem with RS.  all they had were DPDT toggles.
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: Dragonfly on March 12, 2008, 12:46:03 AM
Quote from: deaconque on March 12, 2008, 12:06:57 AM
I had the same problem with RS.  all they had were DPDT toggles.

Quote from: Dragonfly on February 20, 2008, 11:08:39 PM
...from Radio Shack parts, would you be interested ?

Its a easy to build fuzz that sounds, IMO, really freakin' good.

(Everything except the footswitch comes from Radio Shack !)

Just one of those things where if I'm going to take the time to write up the tutorial, complete with schematic, parts list, layout, pictures, etc...I want some people to build it, you know ? :)

SOUND SAMPLE OF RADIO SHACK FUZZ (http://www.filefreak.com/pfiles/49560/RS%20FUZZ.mp3)


???

;)
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: deaconque on March 12, 2008, 01:16:54 AM
Oh.... :icon_redface:
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: trotskyismyniece on March 12, 2008, 01:30:24 AM
(http://www.akri.org/research/images/doh.jpg)

Is there any place I could go, other than online, to get switches?  I dunno why, but I don't like going online for stuff.  I like picking it up and starting to make everything the same day.  I'm going to go to my local small town guitar stores, and see if any of the owners will let me have any broken pedals that they have laying around in boxes that I can use for parts.
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: MasaRGR on March 12, 2008, 04:01:26 AM
Built this the other night. It seems to be working fine, but with this being my first fuzz - I can't be entirely sure  :icon_redface: I built it mostly from the layout that Andy first posted with a few slight turns to fit the perfboard that I had. It was also the first layout that I used Bancika's Java version DIY Creator software and it worked great. I printed out the layout on my inkjet printer, sprayed a light adhesive on the back and stuck it to the perfboard. Poked all the components through the holes and soldered all the traces.

I used a socket on the perfboard, so I could try different combinations of transistors to see what I liked. I didn't have any 2N2222 transistors on hand, so I pooled together all the NPN transistors I had, pulled up all the data sheets and twisted and tweaked them to match the layout.

I had a pair of 2N5088 in there at first and it was kinda fuzzy, but more like a distortion effect. C945's went in next... really light fuzziness, but not nowhere near the grind that Andy's sample had. I only had one 2N3904, so I tried pairing it with other transistors and it actually worked kinda well with the 2N5088, but still no dice. The last ones I tried were some 2SC1815... and wow... fuzziness... lots of it  :icon_cool:

I'm still going to order some 2N2222's and try them before I box it up, but just wanted to say to those that were asking - that the layout seems to works just fine. Sorry for being a fuzz noob... but am I supposed to be getting this much of a volume boost?

A big thanks to Andy for another great design!

Here's some pics of my build (the back is pretty unsightly... so do not attempt to view immediately after eating).  :icon_redface:

(http://fmhclub.com/news/rsfuzz.jpg)

(http://fmhclub.com/news/rsfuzzback.jpg)


Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: jayp5150 on March 12, 2008, 07:15:55 AM
Quote from: gutsofgold on March 11, 2008, 04:20:20 PM
Just got done breadboarding this with all recycled and left over free parts. Sounds exactly like the recording when I play it thought my 18 watt clone. Really excited on this one! Thanks Andrew.

Since this has only a few vital parts to it, an explanation of the circuit would be immensely helpful. Well for me atleast  :icon_redface: . Such as what each parts function is.



This is basically an off-shoot of the fuzz face, so reading up on the technology of the fuzz face at geofex will give you more insight. It really is a super-tweakable design. I

've been so busy lately, I haven't had a chance to mess with fuzzin'... hopefully in the next week or so, I'll bang this one out and tweak like a madman lol.
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: cheeb on March 12, 2008, 10:24:09 AM
Quote from: MasaRGR on March 12, 2008, 04:01:26 AM

Here's some pics of my build (the back is pretty unsightly... so do not attempt to view immediately after eating).  :icon_redface:

(http://fmhclub.com/news/rsfuzzback.jpg)


Jeez, that's unsightly? I wish my perf builds looked like that.  :icon_redface:
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: Used666 on March 13, 2008, 09:05:38 PM
Just got back from radioshack. They had all the parts aside from the 120k resistors. Im using obviously my own switch as well as my own jacks. The total came to $17 with a 4x2x1 enclosure. Pix of the completed pedal in a bit  :)
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: Used666 on March 13, 2008, 09:32:15 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a400/Used666_/Effects%20and%20amp/131_6436.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a400/Used666_/Effects%20and%20amp/131_6437.jpg)

It all fits in the radioshack plastic enclosure. Im powering it with a jack though not an onboard battery.... Top of the pot will be dremeled down
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: sixstringphil on March 14, 2008, 01:09:14 AM
Quote from: trotskyismyniece on March 12, 2008, 01:30:24 AM
Is there any place I could go, other than online, to get switches?  I dunno why, but I don't like going online for stuff.  I like picking it up and starting to make everything the same day.  I'm going to go to my local small town guitar stores, and see if any of the owners will let me have any broken pedals that they have laying around in boxes that I can use for parts.

I'm pretty impatient when it comes to waiting on orders to come in, but I get switches and parts from Aron quicker than any other supplier I've used. Plus, as much time as I spend reading this site, I'm glad to support it!
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: ECRfx on March 14, 2008, 02:17:09 PM
+1, order from aron!
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: deaconque on March 15, 2008, 07:30:55 PM
Okay, so I built this one up today but for some reason when I plugged it in, it was very shrill and treblely and EXTREMELY loud.  I tried changing the pot size to 100K and 10K but that didn't seem to make a difference.  I'm using 2N5088's in it since they're the only NPN's I have right now.  I know they're pretty high gain but would that cause it to sound so much different?
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: Dragonfly on March 15, 2008, 08:07:36 PM
Quote.... but would that cause it to sound so much different?

The fact that there's an error in your build.

Refer to the "debugging" thread at the top of this forum, post the voltages, and we'll see if we can help you sort it out.  :)
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: deaconque on March 16, 2008, 03:05:35 AM
I just got finished reading the debugging article as well as the one on GEOFEX.  After reading it I decided to rebuild the entire thing to make sure it was done right.  I redid everything double checking as I went and I still have the same problem, very loud and very shrill.  I'm pretty sure either my trannies are no good or they're not biased properly.  my voltage readings are:
Q1 E- .05 B- .56 C- 1.34
Q2 E- .84 B- 1.34 C- 1.38
somebody please help.  this simple project has taken entirely too long.
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: gutsofgold on March 16, 2008, 03:28:10 AM
I can't be of much technical help deaconque, but I can affirm that the transistors combination really needs to have some 'magic'. Try a bunch!

Dragonfly, was the fuzz in the recording built entirely with the radio shack parts? Or did it just happen to be that the same values could be had from there?
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: deaconque on March 16, 2008, 03:34:24 AM
I've tried quite a few:
2N5088
2N5089
BC109B
K30A
C2458
some old transistor from my Russian BMP (sounded horrible)
Nothing seemed to work.  I don't even know if some of those are suitable substitutes.  I just checked the datasheets to make sure they had the same pinout and figured I'd give them a shot.
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: Dragonfly on March 16, 2008, 12:53:20 PM
Quote from: deaconque on March 16, 2008, 03:05:35 AM
I just got finished reading the debugging article as well as the one on GEOFEX.  After reading it I decided to rebuild the entire thing to make sure it was done right.  I redid everything double checking as I went and I still have the same problem, very loud and very shrill.  I'm pretty sure either my trannies are no good or they're not biased properly.  my voltage readings are:
Q1 E- .05 B- .56 C- 1.34
Q2 E- .84 B- 1.34 C- 1.38
somebody please help.  this simple project has taken entirely too long.

Q2's collector voltage is way too low. Try changing transistors, or the 10k resistor to a smaller size. Also, use your multimeter to measure the values of the resistors to make sure that they're accurate.

Ive had so many project where I said to myself "Ive done everything right, why isnt it working ?"....only to find out after a while of debugging that i'd made a mistake or used a wrong value somewhere...
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: Dragonfly on March 16, 2008, 12:54:12 PM
Quote from: gutsofgold on March 16, 2008, 03:28:10 AM

Dragonfly, was the fuzz in the recording built entirely with the radio shack parts? Or did it just happen to be that the same values could be had from there?

As stated, everything except the switch was purchased at Radio Shack.
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: deaconque on March 16, 2008, 05:40:30 PM
I was finally able to get some 2N2222's today, so I replaced the 2N5088's I had in there and it helped a lot.  It's still pretty loud and pretty shrill but much less extreme than before.  Thanks for your help Dragonfly.
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: Dragonfly on March 16, 2008, 06:03:09 PM
Quote from: deaconque on March 16, 2008, 05:40:30 PM
I was finally able to get some 2N2222's today, so I replaced the 2N5088's I had in there and it helped a lot.  It's still pretty loud and pretty shrill but much less extreme than before.  Thanks for your help Dragonfly.

Check Q2's collector voltage and adjust accordingly. :)
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: gutsofgold on March 16, 2008, 06:23:40 PM
Dragonfly ... if you get a chance I sent you a PM!
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: forsakenrider on March 17, 2008, 11:05:21 PM
Im heading to canadas radio shack (the source) tomorrow to get the parts! excitedddddd!!!
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: gutsofgold on March 17, 2008, 11:49:29 PM
godspeed to you!  ;D
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: dod6 on May 18, 2008, 07:48:38 PM
Quote from: Dragonfly on February 21, 2008, 12:55:28 PM
Quote from: soggybag on February 21, 2008, 12:48:00 PM
Post your stuff and I'll swing by the RS on my lunch break.

its gonna take me a couple days to put together the schematic, parts list, layout, and instructions...

But if you want to pick up some stuff, I'll post the "preliminary" parts list for you....I think its all there, but I still need to double check everything. You'll also need a SHORT #6 machine screw and nut to attach the battery holder.

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-11/1226934/RSFUZZPARTSLIST.GIF)

It may just be me, but I can't see or find the parts list...


Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: Uma Floresta on May 26, 2009, 05:49:55 PM
Quote from: Dragonfly on February 20, 2008, 11:08:39 PM
...from Radio Shack parts, would you be interested ?

Its a easy to build fuzz that sounds, IMO, really freakin' good.

(Everything except the footswitch comes from Radio Shack !)

Just one of those things where if I'm going to take the time to write up the tutorial, complete with schematic, parts list, layout, pictures, etc...I want some people to build it, you know ? :)

SOUND SAMPLE OF RADIO SHACK FUZZ (http://www.filefreak.com/pfiles/49560/RS%20FUZZ.mp3)


???

I'm thinking of building one of these - any chance you could upload that clip again? :D
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: biggy boy on May 26, 2009, 08:51:45 PM
 [/quote]

I'm thinking of building one of these - any chance you could upload that clip again? :D
[/quote]

+1 on reposting the sound clip please :icon_smile:
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: Joe Hart on May 29, 2009, 10:02:11 AM
Yes, please post the clip again!
-Joe Hart
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: axemurderforhire on May 29, 2009, 04:41:00 PM
Hi im trying to build this as well would it work with a three know tone?

http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=35951.0
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: Uma Floresta on May 29, 2009, 04:45:16 PM
Quote from: axemurderforhire on May 29, 2009, 04:41:00 PM
Hi im trying to build this as well would it work with a three know tone?

http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=35951.0

I'm just guessing, but I'd imagine you'd need to add an other gain stage using one of those - the cut volume a fair bit.
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: mr.adambeck on May 29, 2009, 05:37:23 PM
are there any tutorials on how to do a build on perfboard?  I seem to do fine with any circuit that I have a PCB for, but every time I try to use perfboard, I seem to fail.  Also, can anyone post another clip of this fuzz?  Thanks.
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: Joe Hart on June 08, 2009, 11:28:51 AM
To build on perfboard, I print out a sheet of "periods" with spaces between them so that it looks like perfboard holes. Then I "measure" how many holes I need for a resistor, capacitor (different ones can be different sizes), transistor, etc. I then start drawing a layout. I can use the completed drawing to double check my connections against the schematic and against my actual build. The easiest way to do a layout (especially for a simple build like this fuzz) it to lay it out just like the schematic.

Of course, you can "squash" components to make the build a little more compact. I'll try to explain this...

Instead of laying something out like this (resistor, capacitor, transistor):

--R--  --C--  --T--

You could do this:

|  | |
R C T
|  | |

I hope this makes sense. And I hope this helps.
-Joe Hart
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: mr.adambeck on June 22, 2009, 12:34:51 PM
Joe-

It's not the layouts that I have trouble with...  I think somehow my soldering skills still need work in order to use perf.  Every time I try perf things don't work.   :icon_redface:
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: petemoore on June 22, 2009, 01:10:31 PM
  That burst box again eh ?
  Ya never know when an explosion of threadnesses will occur, certainly not what the thread is related to.
  What circuit was it...the one...go dig through three pages to find and not actually find.
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: Joe Hart on June 22, 2009, 01:35:01 PM
Okay. I misunderstood the problem with perfboard! Then I would recommend giving the leads a quick twist "under" the board, so that they pretty much stay together without any solder, then solder the twisted connection. Am I being clear and does that help you any? I see perfboard as a grid just to keep components in place in space (it rhymes, but does it also make sense?). With a PCB, you are actually soldering each component to the board, with perf each component is just soldered to the next component. Let me know if this is still unclear.
-Joe Hart
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: mr.adambeck on June 22, 2009, 03:50:33 PM
Joe - yeah that makes sense.

Apparently I'm reminding Pete of the Burst Box thread so I'm going to keep to myself  :icon_eek:
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: TheHarakiriEnd on February 01, 2010, 02:41:31 AM
Can someone please post a pic of their finished board. I have just found this site and there seems to be a wealth of knowledge here. Whenever I searched for a fuzz project I could make entirely from Radioshack parts it lead me to this site. I have tried this twice and it hasn't worked either time. I tried to use a switch other than the 3dpt. Do you think this could be my issue?  Like I said if anyone could post some pics I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks,
Shea
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: hallenj on March 12, 2010, 02:21:36 AM
I'm proud to say that this was my very first pedal project.  I've wanted to try making a pedal for a long time.  Finally I saw this project and decided to give it a shot.  My friend and I worked on it for 4 hours one night.  When the moment of truth came, it didn't work!  The whole time we were building it I suspected something would have to go wrong and we'd never get it to work.  After staring at the non-working pedal for 30 minutes, I realized we forgot to put in the grounding resistor on the first transistor.  We soldered that on, and voila!  It works.

Thanks so much for the design!  My friend and I have the pedal bug now.  We're next going to try our hand at etching our own circuit boards and building some more advanced projects.

Jason
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: blooze_man on May 07, 2010, 01:10:16 AM
Wow this really sounds great. I had tried it months ago as one of my first attempts at a pedal and failed miserably. I sortof felt a tinge of guilt for never bothering to fix it (didn't help too much that I had no breadboard at the time) I hope to box it up soon.
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: clamup1 on May 15, 2010, 02:30:23 PM
love the fuzz thanks for the build. used 3904's first go round and then put in germs. like those better.

i believe someone said something about stacking transistors. how do you set this up. (pics would be best)

how do you get less overdrive. i have .1 uf in place of the 22uf and the .022 uf (dont have the right ones yet). the resistors are the same as the schem except for r1 which is a 270k. any help here would be appreciated.
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-11/1226934/RADIOSHACKFUZZLAYOUT.GIF
great fuzz and easy to build

thanks
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: TK on December 02, 2011, 08:33:54 PM
Hi,
I realize this thread is old, but it looks fun. Any ideas where the layout is?

Or am I just being daft?

TK
Title: Re: If I told you how to build this fuzz....
Post by: Tacoboy on December 03, 2011, 03:37:23 AM
http://aronnelson.com/gallery/main.php/v/Renegadrian/Radio+Shack+Fuzz.gif.html (http://aronnelson.com/gallery/main.php/v/Renegadrian/Radio+Shack+Fuzz.gif.html)
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