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Title: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: frequencycentral on August 21, 2008, 04:57:59 AM
OK you asked for it - well John Lyons did!

Quote from: John Lyons on August 19, 2008, 01:05:42 PM
Rick
Of course you know that there is no way you're going to get out of giving us some sound clips of that right?  :D
john

So here's a little soundclip, please make sure your dog is in the other room: http://www.aronnelson.com/DIYFiles/up/Dalek_s_Handbag.mp3

Recorded live - no overdubs/edits - or rehearsal for that matter.

Audio path:

Dalek's Handbag  >  WEM Copycat (just a touch)  >  Event Echo Gina 24 Soundcard  >  Wavelab

I am currently available for weddings, christening, corporate events and bar mitzvahs.

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb292/frequencycentral/moto_0378.jpg)

Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: GREEN FUZ on August 21, 2008, 05:23:54 AM
Sounds great. I was instantly transported back to my childhood watching the Clangers.
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: newfish on August 21, 2008, 06:21:08 AM
That's all kinds of crazy-mental.

Do you do ringtones? 

(adopts dalek-sec voice> "Oscillate!  Oscillate!"

<sorry>

:icon_redface:
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: darron on August 21, 2008, 06:58:24 AM
i'm digging that. hidden track on the next album?
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: Cardboard Tube Samurai on August 21, 2008, 07:05:54 AM
Holy crap! Are you going to be offering a schematic at all?
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: frequencycentral on August 21, 2008, 07:17:58 AM
Quote from: Cardboard Tube Samurai on August 21, 2008, 07:05:54 AM
Holy crap! Are you going to be offering a schematic at all?

No! You're a guitarist forchristsakes - go polish you're neck or something!

Well........maybe!
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: hday on August 21, 2008, 08:27:53 AM
That sounds fantastic. Did you pull your schematics from a pinball machine? :P
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: mnordbye on August 21, 2008, 09:32:35 AM
wicked sick!
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: petemoore on August 21, 2008, 09:55:48 AM
  So is that a whole new language or just a "Dalect" ?  [..spellcheck.. ::)
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: bent on August 21, 2008, 10:25:46 AM
some sound remind me the big CPU on the ship of "Albator"  :icon_biggrin:

bent
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: Mark Hammer on August 21, 2008, 11:16:38 AM
Quote from: frequencycentral on August 21, 2008, 04:57:59 AM
I am currently available for weddings, christening, corporate events and bar mitzvahs.
Do you do extraordinary renditions or cult deprogrammings or leasebreaking parties?  :icon_mrgreen:

And more importantly, do you have an owners permit and registration for that tweeter?
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: theundeadelvis on August 21, 2008, 11:47:19 AM
Doctor Who would be proud! And you could even do an episodes soundtrack with it. You should have a Doc Who party and play it while the shows play in the background.
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: frequencycentral on August 21, 2008, 12:21:51 PM
Quote from: Mark Hammer on August 21, 2008, 11:16:38 AM
Quote from: frequencycentral on August 21, 2008, 04:57:59 AM
I am currently available for weddings, christening, corporate events and bar mitzvahs.
Do you do extraordinary renditions or cult deprogrammings or leasebreaking parties?  :icon_mrgreen:

And more importantly, do you have an owners permit and registration for that tweeter?


The management take no responsibility for damage to your tweeters or your hearing as a result of listening to the "Dalek's Handbag" Soundclip. We have consulted with our lawyers, who are of the opinion that you may, if you wish to, exercise your freedom of choice as to weather or not you actualy play the "Dalek's Handbag" Soundclip. As such, any permanent and lasting damage should be referred to your insurers as gross negligence on your part and/or an act of God. Hey, at least we warned you about the dog!
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: Mark Hammer on August 21, 2008, 01:36:28 PM
 :icon_wink:
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: Jimmy-H on August 21, 2008, 02:32:50 PM
Quote from: theundeadelvis on August 21, 2008, 11:47:19 AM
Doctor Who would be proud! And you could even do an episodes soundtrack with it. You should have a Doc Who party and play it while the shows play in the background.

He's got you there, Rick!  :D
Maybe you could buy an old red phone booth, to complete the show!

But it is a very very nice build.
And with the thing all covered, nobody sees the inside...
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: Solidhex on August 21, 2008, 02:36:36 PM
Haha

  Awesome.

--Brad
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: brother numsi on August 21, 2008, 02:38:46 PM
Amazing build! Now, hand it over and go build yourself another will ya!  :icon_biggrin:
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: foxfire on August 21, 2008, 04:42:11 PM
Quote from: brother numsi on August 21, 2008, 02:38:46 PM
Amazing build! Now, hand it over and go build yourself another will ya!  :icon_biggrin:

excuse my hopefully brief side stepping of this topic but, is that brother numsi from Golden Child? if it is then you rule almost as much as the "Dalek's Handbag."
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: eleanor296 on August 21, 2008, 10:52:17 PM
holy.... wow.
That thing is AWESOME.  I want one!
If I get on my knees and beg, can we get a schematic?
I'll cook Wiener Schnitzel for you!

~Andy
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: AzzR on August 21, 2008, 11:46:37 PM
Awesome man, the effort definitly paid off.

-Azza
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: scanlory on August 21, 2008, 11:49:36 PM
At 2:20 or so, I think that it made the same exact sound as the Microsoft Pinball game makes!   :o

Awesome!
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: brother numsi on August 22, 2008, 04:28:04 AM
Quote from: foxfire on August 21, 2008, 04:42:11 PM
Quote from: brother numsi on August 21, 2008, 02:38:46 PM
Amazing build! Now, hand it over and go build yourself another will ya!  :icon_biggrin:

excuse my hopefully brief side stepping of this topic but, is that brother numsi from Golden Child? if it is then you rule almost as much as the "Dalek's Handbag."
Yes, it is I. Sardo Numspa. Glad to be compared to a "handbag"...uh  :icon_frown:


:icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: frequencycentral on August 22, 2008, 07:25:09 AM
Quote from: Cardboard Tube Samurai on August 21, 2008, 07:05:54 AM
Holy crap! Are you going to be offering a schematic at all?

Quote from: eleanor296 on August 21, 2008, 10:52:17 PM
holy.... wow.
That thing is AWESOME.  I want one!
If I get on my knees and beg, can we get a schematic?
I'll cook Wiener Schnitzel for you!

~Andy

If enough folks really want to build one I will do some work and get the schematics together. At the moment I have 'patchy' notes, as I was designing it and building it at the same time. You should be aware though that the electronics is probably the equivalent of six effects pedals:

LM13700 (Dual OTA)                          x 2
CA3080 (OTA)                                    x 1 (or half a LM13700, as CA3080 are hard to get - I still have a few metal can type - but not enough to share.
LM324 (quad opamp)                         x 3 or 4 (I forget)
HFC4024BE (7 stage ripple counter)  x 1
...and half a dozen transistors.

Also - there is no PCB - this was built on perf 100mm x 160mm. If I was doing it again I would mount small seperate module boards on the pot lugs to save on wiring. Some of the design principles I cribbed from modular synths, but from subsequent experiments I have learned that there as simpler ways to do it - so any 'build your own Dalek's Handbag' project would also include some experiments to make the whole design sleeker. I do also have the CorelDRAW files for having a front panel drillied and making the finished graphic.

Still up for it? If so, sign your name on the dotted line and i will start posting schematics in modular form.

The dotted line:.......................................................................

:)
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: McGhie on August 22, 2008, 09:06:26 AM
Quote from: frequencycentral on August 22, 2008, 07:25:09 AM
Also - there is no PCB - this was built on perf 100mm x 160mm. If I was doing it again I would mount small seperate module boards on the pot lugs to save on wiring. Some of the design principles I cribbed from modular synths, but from subsequent experiments I have learned that there as simpler ways to do it - so any 'build your own Dalek's Handbag' project would also include some experiments to make the whole design sleeker. I do also have the CorelDRAW files for having a front panel drillied and making the finished graphic.

Still up for it? If so, sign your name on the dotted line and i will start posting schematics in modular form.

The dotted line:....Thomas..McGhie.................................................

:)

Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: Valoosj on August 22, 2008, 11:26:26 AM
The dotted line:....Thomas..McGhie......Yorick L...........................................

Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: DougH on August 22, 2008, 11:54:17 AM
QuoteI am currently available for weddings, christening, corporate events and bar mitzvahs.

I thought I heard a little of the "Love Boat" theme in there...

If you can work up "Feelings" and "We've Only Just Begun" you'll be all set.

Sounds like you were having fun. :icon_cool:
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: returntable on August 22, 2008, 12:39:25 PM
Quote from: frequencycentral on August 22, 2008, 07:25:09 AM

Still up for it? If so, sign your name on the dotted line and i will start posting schematics in modular form.

The dotted line:.......................................................................

:)


you can count me in :)
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: earthtonesaudio on August 22, 2008, 01:10:31 PM
That was the most fun I've had listening to a soundclip in a long time.  That echo machine is awesome!  I want to build one of those, right after I finish my tractor beam...
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: frequencycentral on August 22, 2008, 01:59:55 PM
Quote from: earthtonesaudio on August 22, 2008, 01:10:31 PM
That was the most fun I've had listening to a soundclip in a long time.  That echo machine is awesome!  I want to build one of those, right after I finish my tractor beam...

You're working on a Tractor Beam???  :o Awesome - that's on my 'to do' list - maybe we could compare notes. My will be the submini tube version or course...........
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: earthtonesaudio on August 22, 2008, 02:41:43 PM
The prototype on the breadboard right now is made entirely of recycled soda cans and bottles and uses toxic sludge as fuel.  The exhaust is pure ginseng tea and marshmallows.   8)

But we can discuss that more in the DIYspaceships forum, don't want to hijack the thread here.
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: eleanor296 on August 22, 2008, 04:06:46 PM
dotted line:  ....... ANDY K!......
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: eleanor296 on August 22, 2008, 04:19:05 PM
Quote from: Valoosj on August 22, 2008, 11:26:26 AM
The dotted line:....Thomas..McGhie......Yorick L........................................... Andy K.....


Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: Paul Perry (Frostwave) on August 23, 2008, 10:30:39 AM
I'd rather have the functional block diagram, I'm not sure from the pic what the modulation routings are.
The real problem with this kind of thing is forcing yourself to leave things out - but you would know that, of course  :icon_wink:
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: frequencycentral on August 23, 2008, 12:32:50 PM
Quote from: Paul Perry (Frostwave) on August 23, 2008, 10:30:39 AM
I'd rather have the functional block diagram, I'm not sure from the pic what the modulation routings are.
The real problem with this kind of thing is forcing yourself to leave things out - but you would know that, of course  :icon_wink:

The only function not included in this diagram is a 4024 which is fed from the LFO and allows the ENV to be triggered at a division of the LFO rate.

VCO - square/triangle
VCLFO - sawtooth/inverted sawtooth
LFO - square/triangle/noise
ENV - normal/inverted

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb292/frequencycentral/Functional.jpg)
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: tranceracer on August 23, 2008, 01:16:37 PM
WOW!  That's a really nice sounding piece of kit!
Very analogish and the tape looper really sounds good!  I'll bet that would sound knarly with some distortion added and a good cab sim at the end of the chain!

Great work Rick!

-bK
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: sean k on August 23, 2008, 10:12:11 PM
dotted line........Sean K!
I've just been making similar sounds with Tim Escobedo's synth stick schematics and his Too Many Knobs but it's alot rawer and nowhere near as clean. I've also got a bunch of LM13600 and some CA3080's so all I'll need is 50 bucks worth of pots and an 324 or two. Maybe I should finish the Fatman first... :icon_biggrin:
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: Paul Perry (Frostwave) on August 24, 2008, 11:09:40 AM
Wow, thanks for the block diagram, Rick! That's a very radical move, not having a filter - but I expect running the output into a Boss SYB-3 would expand the sonic palette nicely.
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: frequencycentral on August 24, 2008, 11:53:31 AM
Quote from: Paul Perry (Frostwave) on August 24, 2008, 11:09:40 AM
Wow, thanks for the block diagram, Rick! That's a very radical move, not having a filter - but I expect running the output into a Boss SYB-3 would expand the sonic palette nicely.

Yeah - radical! The concept was to replace my Synthia A in a live situation - using a Synthia A is very much a 'desk job'. The filter never seems quite as important in the Synthia A as the intermodulation of the three oscillators. I also took inspiration from my ARP Odyssey (whiteface!), using osc 2 as a VCLFO with the filter self oscillating. So - it was more important to have three oscillators than just two and a filter. The range of sounds I was aiming for didn't need a VCF. Having said that, the VCO could easily be a VCF - making the design a guitar processor too - but I have another idea on the drawing board for something more suited to VCF guitar processing role. Also, as you said earlier:
Quote
The real problem with this kind of thing is forcing yourself to leave things out
I just couldn't justify the 5 or 6 extra knobs that a VCF in addition to the three oscillators would have added. The idea was complex noises with as few knobs as was reasonably possible.
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: Valoosj on August 24, 2008, 05:15:09 PM
When is the schematic due?  ;D I'd make a pcb layout for it. This handbag is exactly the thing one of my bandmembers is in need of.
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: Boogdish on August 24, 2008, 08:12:05 PM
dotted line .......Michael "The Exploding Dolphin" Barton
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: frequencycentral on August 25, 2008, 08:46:50 AM
Ok ladies - let's build some handbags.

I'm going to add the various bits of the schematic over the coming week, as I have to 'retrace my steps' on some of it!

Chapter One - Bipolar Power Supply

The Dalek's Handbag is powered from 12 volts DC. Here's the schematic for creating the 'Vref', which is 6 volts:

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb292/frequencycentral/BipolarPower.jpg)

Chapter Two - LFO

The LFO is 'stolen' from the Roland System 100m 172 module. I changed the timing cap to make it run faster (the original is 0.22). The Roland original doesn't have a square wave output - I discovered where to tap off a square wave output.

Issues with this circuit: The square wave is a lot 'hotter' than the triangle wave. This is common with LFOs. I just went with it - but it would be nice if the triangle was brought up to the level of the square (as opposed to bringing the square down - that wouldn't be good!) - anyone know how to do this?

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb292/frequencycentral/RolandLFO-1.jpg)

Chapter Three - Envelope Generator

My own design. I used the ARP Osyssey AR generator (transistor) and the Octave Cat AR generator (CMOS) as inspiration. All diodes are 1N4148. The 'Gate In' is 12 volts.

It occurs to me that it might work fine without the two 1N4148s and two 33K resistors to Vref - this would need to be verified. The two 1N4148 after the Attack/Release pots are essential though.

The 3.3uf cap is the timing cap. Smaller values will reduce the attack and release times. I think 3.3uf is just right though.

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb292/frequencycentral/RickyEnvelope.jpg)
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: frequencycentral on August 25, 2008, 09:46:14 AM
Chapter Four - Noise Source

Jeez, I really can't remember what noise schematic I used - but noise is noise is noise is noise, so here's the one from the Maestro FSH, should work fine - maybe someone would like to breadboard it first? I guess the 0.047 filters the noise (?) - a few cap values could be tried. The base of the tranny is left with no connection.

I suggest one quad opamp is used for the Bipolar Power/LFO/Noise Source.

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb292/frequencycentral/NoiseSource.jpg)

This is worth downloading and saving: http://eshop.engineering.uiowa.edu/NI/pdfs/00/79/DS007981.pdf

It's the datasheet for the LM13700, we'll be making the VCO, VCLFO and the VCA using this later. My VCA is a CA3080, now discontinued - so let's make one using half a LM13700.
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: McGhie on August 25, 2008, 12:33:15 PM
AWESOME! Thanks! Pictures are already on my harddisc. ;D
This rests for sometime in the future though.. Maybe when you're done and have all your notes settled, you could make this explanatory walkthough in the layouts gallery? But that's quite a project in it self, I reckon. ;)
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: slacker on August 25, 2008, 12:55:30 PM
Quote from: frequencycentral on August 25, 2008, 09:46:14 AM
This is worth downloading and saving: http://eshop.engineering.uiowa.edu/NI/pdfs/00/79/DS007981.pdf

Probably the best datasheet in the world  ;D one day I'm going to build a synth using nothing but the stuff in there.

It's looking good so far Rick can't wait to see the rest of it.

About your LFO question, AFAIK there's anything you can do to the circuit to increase the size of the triangle output, it's just the nature of the beast with those sort of circuits. The square wave will swing between the supply rails or as close to them as the opamp can get and the triangle will swing between about 1/3 and 2/3 of the supply voltage, in this case about 4 to 8 volts.
You could use a voltage divider to drop the square wave to a similar level or boost the triangle to better match the square. You'd just need a single opamp to do this, feed the triangle out into the + input and connect a 100k resistor  between the out and - input and a 68k between the - input and vref, that will bring the triangle up a similar level to the square. You might need to tweak the resistor values a bit if you find the top and bottom are getting chopped off, maybe use a 100k trim in place of the 68k.
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: Dragonfly on August 25, 2008, 12:59:41 PM
I hate you.





















ok...not really...I love you. :D

GREAT work !
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: frequencycentral on August 25, 2008, 01:06:57 PM
Quote from: McGhie on August 25, 2008, 12:33:15 PM
AWESOME! Thanks! Pictures are already on my harddisc. ;D
This rests for sometime in the future though.. Maybe when you're done and have all your notes settled, you could make this explanatory walkthough in the layouts gallery? But that's quite a project in it self, I reckon. ;)

Ok, no problem! Maybe it will be even easier to make once Valoosj does a PCB.

Quote from: slacker on August 25, 2008, 12:55:30 PM
Quote from: frequencycentral on August 25, 2008, 09:46:14 AM
This is worth downloading and saving: http://eshop.engineering.uiowa.edu/NI/pdfs/00/79/DS007981.pdf

Probably the best datasheet in the world  ;D one day I'm going to build a synth using nothing but the stuff in there.

It's looking good so far Rick can't wait to see the rest of it.

About your LFO question, AFAIK there's anything you can do to the circuit to increase the size of the triangle output, it's just the nature of the beast with those sort of circuits. The square wave will swing between the supply rails or as close to them as the opamp can get and the triangle will swing between about 1/3 and 2/3 of the supply voltage, in this case about 4 to 8 volts.
You could use a voltage divider to drop the square wave to a similar level or boost the triangle to better match the square. You'd just need a single opamp to do this, feed the triangle out into the + input and connect a 100k resistor  between the out and - input and a 68k between the - input and vref, that will bring the triangle up a similar level to the square. You might need to tweak the resistor values a bit if you find the top and bottom are getting chopped off, maybe use a 100k trim in place of the 68k.

Thanks slacker, others who dare to build it should add your ideas. I doubt I will make another myself - too many synths here already - and too many other ideas to imagineer!

I didn't really want to drop to square wave level - it's great, and a big part of the sound - so boosting the triangle would be the way to go - hell, I should even make a little daughter board to incorporate your mod into my Handbag!

Quote from: Dragonfly on August 25, 2008, 12:59:41 PM
I hate you.

ok...not really...I love you. :D

GREAT work !

Hehehe - should we expect a 'swirl' Dalek's Handbag?

I really can't believe all these guitarist want to build a synth - what are they on drugs or something???

Still to come:

Chapter 5 - VCO

Chapter 6 - VCLFO

Chapter 7 - VCA

Chapter 8 - 4024 LFO Divider

Chapter 9 - Putting it all together!
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: Valoosj on August 25, 2008, 02:15:07 PM
I want to build it for the pianist/voilin-man/semi-singer/... in my band. We play postrock and this thing would be an amazing attribute to our sound.

BTW: about that CA3080, I can still get my hands on it. Any other takers that want some? I'm going to order a shitload of parts tonight...
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: eleanor296 on August 25, 2008, 05:28:02 PM
Quote from: Valoosj on August 25, 2008, 02:15:07 PM
I want to build it for the pianist/voilin-man/semi-singer/... in my band. We play postrock and this thing would be an amazing attribute to our sound.

BTW: about that CA3080, I can still get my hands on it. Any other takers that want some? I'm going to order a sh*tload of parts tonight...

me! me!
hehe... yeah, if you could spare one I'm in
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: pud3000 on September 28, 2008, 04:44:01 PM
So really want to know all the "chapters" of that little Synth-Tutorial. who else?
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: mth5044 on September 28, 2008, 05:15:09 PM
That was great. Where did you get the case for it at?

Now.. the challenge... do it all with TUBES!
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: frequencycentral on September 28, 2008, 05:30:57 PM
Ok, I'll post some more schematics soon....

The case was from Jessops, a camera shop in the UK.

As for doing it all with tubes - don't think I haven't already thought of it!

Tube VCAs are easy, the AR generator should work with tubes too. I can make tubes oscillate at low voltage, but I haven't yet worked on a voltage controlled tube oscillator. Hmm..! Maybe....
Title: Re: "Dalek's Handbag" (The synth in the 'Pictures!' thread) Soundclip
Post by: sean k on September 28, 2008, 07:21:45 PM
http://www.musicfromouterspace.com/analogsynth/rayspinknoise.html (http://www.musicfromouterspace.com/analogsynth/rayspinknoise.html)
I haven't built this yet but I found it because my Dad has a white and pink noise generator for his ears, that tinitus stuff, and the generator has a slider pot on it that goes between pink and white and when one shifts it back and forth is sounds really neat. I was going to use it to build a rhythm machine that feeds the outputs of the pink and white noise to two switches in a 4066 then have the controls operated from a 555 through two outs of a 4017... though a simple flip flop would work but I haven't worked those out yet.

As well the outputs from the 4066 will go into a transistor at unity with an inductor accross the collector resistor to build the salvo's of pink and white.

Anyways, if your using white why not add some pink? 
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Post by: gaddargaddar on September 28, 2008, 07:59:11 PM
one word ... INCREDIBLE!!! ... Sound of the gear is amazing and at last somedy who loves squarewaves :D:D:D
Also I'd like to thank you for the schematics :D:D:D
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Post by: pud3000 on October 16, 2008, 04:18:09 PM
Schematics?

Where did you find them actually? Is there some kind of tutorial?
maybe i could put them all together by myself.


tino.
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Post by: frequencycentral on October 16, 2008, 04:30:49 PM
I have a week off in a weeks time  - I'll finish putting the schematics together then. The VCO and VCLFO are based on the LM13700 data sheet, but with linear to exponential convertors added to the CV inputs. I promise to post the rest of the schematics by mid November!
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Post by: pud3000 on November 26, 2008, 02:58:04 PM
well....its a pitty....
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Post by: Valoosj on November 29, 2008, 04:38:47 PM
Hey Rick, don't mind the noobss comment. We are all still patiently awaiting the schematics ;)
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Post by: Jaicen_solo on November 29, 2008, 04:41:36 PM
DOn't know about schems, I was looking for a G-707.... ::)
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Post by: JFX09 on November 29, 2008, 04:44:00 PM
and I'd like to reassess my complete admiration for this .

Don't rush on anything, I would'nt be able to build something like that for a few years  :)

ok ok , hurry up for those who can  :icon_razz:
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Post by: frequencycentral on November 29, 2008, 04:56:15 PM
Shame on me - I do feel so guilty about not getting this one together yet.

I have to partly reverse enginner the circuit, as I built it on the fly and didn't keep extensive notes. It's a bit of a 'mare really - I only ever planned to build one and didn't imagine there would be any interest. So, the full schemo........................t'll come....................one day.................soon...............
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Post by: salocin on November 29, 2008, 06:06:47 PM
Wanna post some pics of the boards and maybe we can reverse some of it for you?
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Post by: Ben N on November 29, 2008, 08:45:04 PM
Quote from: frequencycentral on August 25, 2008, 01:06:57 PMI really can't believe all these guitarist want to build a synth - what are they on drugs or something???

Well, DUH!  :icon_mrgreen:

The final touch for guitarists would be to turn some of those knobs into proximity controllers.
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Post by: moritz on November 30, 2008, 11:51:28 PM
 :icon_eek:  It's..... it's.... it's...    beautiful!  :icon_surprised:



EXTERMINATE!! EX-TER-MIN-ATE!!!
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Post by: Ben N on December 02, 2008, 01:12:41 AM
Quote from: Ben N on November 29, 2008, 08:45:04 PMThe final touch for guitarists would be to turn some of those knobs into proximity controllers.

Looks like I may have been on to something: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gic4BCBfR5c&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gic4BCBfR5c&feature=related)
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Post by: oldschoolanalog on December 02, 2008, 01:32:01 AM
Quote from: Ben N on December 02, 2008, 01:12:41 AM
Quote from: Ben N on November 29, 2008, 08:45:04 PMThe final touch for guitarists would be to turn some of those knobs into proximity controllers.
Looks like I may have been on to something: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gic4BCBfR5c&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gic4BCBfR5c&feature=related)
Kitty on Acid. Hmm... Interesting  :icon_twisted:.
Dave
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Post by: dellamorte on February 15, 2009, 07:12:05 AM
any forecast on the rest of the schematics?
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Post by: Ronsonic on February 15, 2009, 02:56:53 PM

y'know, when I first saw the name of this project I considered it borderline blasphemy. Then you convinced me, it is indeed worthy.
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Post by: dellamorte on February 15, 2009, 07:06:38 PM
i breadboarded the lfo , power supply and noise generator successfully last night and have been fiending for more :)
im quite happy to do up pcb's when i have all the schematics!
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Post by: frequencycentral on February 15, 2009, 07:16:52 PM
Quote from: dellamorte on February 15, 2009, 07:06:38 PM
i breadboarded the lfo , power supply and noise generator successfully last night and have been fiending for more :)
im quite happy to do up pcb's when i have all the schematics!

OK - someone happy to breadboard this thing! That's great - makes getting the project together easier, as you can test what my memory/my reverse engineering says I did.

Chapter 5 - VCO

This is how I did the VCO - the LM13700 bit is from the data sheet basically. I think the transistor exponential convertor is the one I used. You can experiment with the value of the 0.47uf cap. The four 100K resistors are for the CV inputs. You can apply a control voltage through one of those resistors from a 100K Lin pot, hook up pin 1 to +12v, pin 3 to ground, and the wiper to the 100K resistor.

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb292/frequencycentral/DalekVCO.jpg)

EDIT: Pin 11 appears three times on this schematic for some bizarre reason! Oops......
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Post by: dellamorte on February 15, 2009, 10:36:39 PM
is it possible to use the vco section of a 4046 to replace this?
i cant find the lm13700 locally and while i wait for my futurlec order id like to have something to play with :)
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Post by: Cliff Schecht on February 15, 2009, 11:14:39 PM
Quote from: dellamorte on February 15, 2009, 10:36:39 PM
is it possible to use the vco section of a 4046 to replace this?
i cant find the lm13700 locally and while i wait for my futurlec order id like to have something to play with :)

You can make a functionally similar device using just two transistors ;).
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Post by: dellamorte on February 16, 2009, 12:29:22 AM
could you shed bit of light on that?
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Post by: Cliff Schecht on February 16, 2009, 01:57:36 AM
I meant that an OTA is a a current programmable amplifier. A similar device can be made from a differential amplifier where the connected emitters can act as a programmable gain pin. Doing this method works, but it can't compete very well with an IC such the 13700's (IC-based transistors can be easily matched, discrete parts aren't).
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Post by: frequencycentral on February 16, 2009, 07:18:18 AM
Quote from: dellamorte on February 15, 2009, 10:36:39 PM
is it possible to use the vco section of a 4046 to replace this?
i cant find the lm13700 locally and while i wait for my futurlec order id like to have something to play with :)

You could try it! Post your results. I found this VCO while looking at the LM324 datasheet (http://cache.national.com/ds/LM/LM124.pdf), you could try this too:

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb292/frequencycentral/324vco.jpg)

I can't vouch for it though. It should work with any dual opamp. I think the V+/2 node is just a vref.


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Post by: orangetones on February 16, 2009, 09:24:02 AM
Looking good there Rick.  Can't wait for the rest of your schematics! 

Maybe I will breadboard up that Funky MMF later today and see if I can get that to work too!
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Post by: frequencycentral on February 18, 2009, 09:54:14 AM
Chapter 7 - VCA (I know we've skipped a chapter I know)

The CA3080 can be subbed with one half of a LM13600/LM13700 if you can't get one.

The 'Initial Gain' control can set the VCA to be 'always on' by whatever amount you dial in.

The CV input is fed by the inverted output of the Envelope Generator.

The 100K trimpot needs to be tweaked so that you hear no sound when the envelope is resting and the 'Initial Gain' is at minimum.

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb292/frequencycentral/DalekVCA.jpg)
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Post by: orangetones on February 28, 2009, 12:59:42 PM
Coming along Rick!  Can't wait for the rest of thes eschemo's.  I am looking forward to trying this one out myself.
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Post by: frequencycentral on February 28, 2009, 01:01:16 PM
Quote from: orangetones on February 28, 2009, 12:59:42 PM
Coming along Rick!  Can't wait for the rest of thes eschemo's.  I am looking forward to trying this one out myself.

Oh yeah - well I did do some work on it last week! Just the VCLFO and 4024 to go I think.......I'll get onto it!
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Post by: AudioMime on December 26, 2009, 01:23:10 AM
NOOOOO!

Has there been any progress Rick!
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Post by: sean k on December 27, 2009, 04:44:33 PM
I was quite pleased to see this one pop up again as I've got on the cards to do this as well.
http://casperelectronics.com/drone-lab-schematic/ (http://casperelectronics.com/drone-lab-schematic/)

I'm thinking there'd be quite a cross fertilization between the two. Take your time Rick. It'll be worth waitinng for all of us who are interested in this kind of stuff.
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Post by: danielwarner on May 16, 2010, 06:42:19 PM
BUMP

I'm definitely interested in seeing the rest of the schematics for this project!
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Post by: deadastronaut on May 16, 2010, 07:20:28 PM
Hawkwind......oh yes....like levitation etc...excellent ....

thats a cool build...........
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Post by: frequencycentral on May 16, 2010, 07:27:32 PM
Quote from: deadastronaut on May 16, 2010, 07:20:28 PM
Hawkwind......oh yes....like levitation etc...excellent ....

thats a cool build...........

Are my influences so transparent? It's unlikely I'll ever come up with a full schematic, I didn't take decent notes when I built it (on the fly), there was no layout - just built it! And a couple of years have gone by......

I'm unlikely to build or breadboard it again - too much else going on. Though if I sold it, I might miss it, which might persuade me to build another, this time with decent documentation. Any offers?  :icon_biggrin:
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Post by: AudioMime on May 17, 2010, 03:36:59 PM
Rick, we're almost there just three more chapters!
You can do it!
(http://www.topnews.in/files/David-Hasselhoff101.jpg)
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Post by: yoho on September 02, 2017, 09:58:07 AM
Perhaps a necrobump: i'm still interested in the schematics, there's none visible anymore in this topic  :( last time i checked there were at least the published ones
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Post by: Hatredman on September 02, 2017, 12:23:26 PM
Quote from: yoho on September 02, 2017, 09:58:07 AM
Perhaps a necrobump: i'm still interested in the schematics, there's none visible anymore in this topic  :( last time i checked there were at least the published ones

Another photophucked topic!
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Post by: Ben N on December 26, 2017, 03:42:38 PM
Search the Chrome Web Store for photobucket--you'll find extensions that bring your photobucket links back to life.
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Post by: reddesert on December 26, 2017, 05:51:01 PM
You can find frequencycentral's gallery of pictures on photobucket at http://s210.photobucket.com/user/frequencycentral/library/?sort=2&page=1 (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/frequencycentral/library/?sort=2&page=1).  Visit there and page through until you find what you want.  There are a lot.

Photobucket didn't delete all the pictures. They just broke all the links, in such a way that the metadata of what picture went in what thread is garbaged. It's destructive and stupid, but it would be mitigated a little if other people helped by posting the gallery link above to these frequencycentral threads.
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Post by: Ben N on December 27, 2017, 04:29:40 AM
Unfortunately, the items in Rick's rather large photobucket gallery are neither labeled nor organized by any rational scheme--as they shouldn't need to be, since they were all originally linked to threads in a perfectly accessible and comprehensible way--so the only way really to know what a particular image is is to open it. That, plus the constant bombardment with obnoxious ads makes trying to find anything there incredibly frustrating. That's why I suggest one of the link-fixing extensions. I installed "Photobucket Hotlink Fix" yesterday, and it seems to work exactly as  described on the tin, but there are a couple of others, as well.
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Post by: reddesert on December 27, 2017, 01:14:11 PM
I agree - Photobucket did nothing but screw things up, and is unpleasant to browse. That said, if the images had been tagged in a useful manner, it would be a lot easier to find them or reconstruct the links.

I have one of those link-fixing extensions installed for Chrome, but it only seems to work on some of the images. For ex, I can see the schematic for the LFO, but not the other parts. Copying the image address for the LFO gets me a readable link for it.  The LFO schematic is at http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb292/frequencycentral/RolandLFO-1.jpg (http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb292/frequencycentral/RolandLFO-1.jpg).  Since this is a link to it rather than an embedded image, it should work unless/until photobucket completely reorganizes/renames everything. It would be helpful if people who can see the images would post the updated addresses as links (not embedded). That's doing something concrete about the problem, beyond venting about photobucket.