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Title: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: dano12 on November 18, 2008, 08:25:31 PM
In a recent quest to make the loudest rudest distortion as simply as possible I came back to my favorite chip ever: the 386.

Here are two of them cascaded. No silly tone knob because Nigel would have just sneered at that. Two gain controls, on volume knob, and loads of sustain.

(http://www.beavisaudio.com/Projects/tufnel/tufnelV1_Schematic.gif)

And yes, it does go to 11.

:)

Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: John Lyons on November 18, 2008, 09:53:32 PM
Nigel would be proud.
Can you describe the sound (other than loud  :icon_biggrin:)

john

Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: dschwartz on November 18, 2008, 10:20:38 PM
hahaha this is sooo cool!!

Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: tcobretti on November 18, 2008, 10:21:09 PM
Dude, the two gain controls is total Spinal Tap, cause that way it can get even louder.
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: Zben3129 on November 18, 2008, 10:31:32 PM
I'd imagine this one could induce some good eardrum distortion aswell  ;)


Zach
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: John Lyons on November 18, 2008, 10:37:13 PM
...when you need the extra push over the cliff.

Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: FiveseveN on November 18, 2008, 11:49:28 PM
I love 386 distortions but I must ask...
1. can the chips take it (i.e. won't burn out)?
2. what does it sound like? Do you get anything other than noise?
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: dano12 on November 19, 2008, 08:10:06 AM
The 386 chips are fine as long as you run them at their rated voltage. Of course the output is quite loud so I'll have to measure it before I actually turn it up to 11. :)

It sounds really really good. Great distortion with loads of sustain. Both U1 and U2 are stabilized using standard datasheet tricks. R4 and C7 tame the output of U1 a bit to keep it from oscillating.

Even on the breadboard it is *fairly* quiet, so I would expect that a clean build in an enclosure would yield a very workable pedal.

Tonight I'll add a switch to go between the existing C9 part and a 220uf electro. The idea being that with that switch I can go from distortion pedal to double ruby amp ...
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: Mark Hammer on November 19, 2008, 09:13:31 AM
I hasten to remind you that the zone where the gain is applied in the 386 can be determined simply by sticking a cap in series with the 1k gain pot.  Normally, we are used to the pin 1-8 path being bridged by either a pot, or a fixed resistor, or a pot and large value cap (10uf).  replace that cap with a smaller value (e.g., .047uf or .01uf) and the gain is applied only in the mids or upper frequencies.  It works a bit like emitter caps.
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: dano12 on November 19, 2008, 09:22:10 AM
Quote from: Mark Hammer on November 19, 2008, 09:13:31 AM
I hasten to remind you that the zone where the gain is applied in the 386 can be determined simply by sticking a cap in series with the 1k gain pot.  Normally, we are used to the pin 1-8 path being bridged by either a pot, or a fixed resistor, or a pot and large value cap (10uf).  replace that cap with a smaller value (e.g., .047uf or .01uf) and the gain is applied only in the mids or upper frequencies.  It works a bit like emitter caps.

In previous builds, I added tone stacks after the 386, such as in Aron's 'super' version of the Smash Drive. I also breadboarded the krank distortion pedal that uses a similar tone stack at the end, albeit a poor one.  There is also the trick of inserting a filter between the output of the chip and feedback pin 1 (ala the Bass Boost idea in the datasheet example).

In the end, tone shaping seemed to be so not part of the Tufnel philosophy.

Good point nonetheless!
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: BDuguay on November 19, 2008, 09:26:46 AM
Once one has built this, are they allowed to let anyone look at, or even touch it? :icon_smile:
B.
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: dano12 on November 19, 2008, 09:29:05 AM
Quote from: BDuguay on November 19, 2008, 09:26:46 AM
Once one has built this, are they allowed to let anyone look at, or even touch it? :icon_smile:
B.

none more black
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: alex frias on November 19, 2008, 09:33:32 AM
Do I need a special pot that goes to "11" ?
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: hoopshot on November 19, 2008, 09:37:23 AM
I think you need to change the pots to 1K1, so that they can go to 11.  ::)
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: dschwartz on November 19, 2008, 10:11:57 AM
if you want a tonestack i strongly recommend a baxandall type..they just rock!!
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: John Lyons on November 19, 2008, 11:07:29 AM
...wos rong wif sexy?

Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: Filament on November 19, 2008, 11:08:26 AM
I often find myself wanting to play a bit, set my guitar down and go for a bite but still have my guitar sustain while I'm away.  Is that possible with this pedal?  If so, I'll take two and run them in series.  That way, it'll go to 22  ;D
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: newfish on November 19, 2008, 11:34:35 AM
Will there be a VU meter on the box?  I think one might be needed to show just how loud '11' is.

Maybe you could play 'Stonehenge' on it with the dancing people.  That way it would also go to 'Elven'.   :icon_eek:

...sorry, really really sorry...
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: Mark Hammer on November 19, 2008, 12:08:10 PM
Well if there are only two knobs, one should be labelled Love, and the other should be labelled Pump.  The player has to supply the licks.
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: BDuguay on November 19, 2008, 12:34:17 PM
I can see this thread going in a different direction really quick....
You could build a special Artie Fufkin model and label the controls 'Kick' and 'My A$$'.
B.
"There's a fine line between clever and stupid"
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: Electron Tornado on November 19, 2008, 01:13:14 PM
That looks cool!

I just finished an overdrive with a 386, based on the smash drive. It's kind of a cross between a Mozart and a Bach. Sort of a...."moch".

(Yeah, it comes off much better spoken than written.)

Maybe if it was done in "doubley"....
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: jayp5150 on November 19, 2008, 01:59:28 PM
Quote from: Electron Tornado on November 19, 2008, 01:13:14 PM
That looks cool!

I just finished an overdrive with a 386, based on the smash drive. It's kind of a cross between a Mozart and a Bach. Sort of a...."moch".

(Yeah, it comes off much better spoken than written.)

Maybe if it was done in "doubley"....

So, the official name is "Lick My Love Pump: right? lol  :D

Man, I need to watch that one again soon.
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: Mark Hammer on November 19, 2008, 02:04:05 PM
And of course, there needs to be one unlabelled knob that you can't touch.  In fact don't even look at it.

BTW did anyone here ever manage to buy some of those Tufnel volume knobs that I think DiMarzio sold in the 80's that really DID go up to 11?  I wonder if they still make those.
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: dano12 on November 19, 2008, 02:12:13 PM
Quote from: Mark Hammer on November 19, 2008, 02:04:05 PM
And of course, there needs to be one unlabelled knob that you can't touch.  In fact don't even look at it.

BTW did anyone here ever manage to buy some of those Tufnel volume knobs that I think DiMarzio sold in the 80's that really DID go up to 11?  I wonder if they still make those.

LOL, that is a brilliant idea

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/regular/8/7/8/464878.jpg)

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/DiMarzio-Speed-Knob-Replacement-111?sku=424662 (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/DiMarzio-Speed-Knob-Replacement-111?sku=424662)

Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: anti-idiot on November 19, 2008, 02:23:15 PM
Quote from: Mark Hammer on November 19, 2008, 02:04:05 PM
BTW did anyone here ever manage to buy some of those Tufnel volume knobs that I think DiMarzio sold in the 80's that really DID go up to 11?  I wonder if they still make those.

[Imitating Nigel's accent]

Exactly.
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: Mark Hammer on November 19, 2008, 03:05:21 PM
Ya gotta love the first customer review there: "I was looking for a knob that made my guitar louder, and I found it with this Dimarzio knob. When I need that little kick over the edge, I can just turn my guitar up to 11, one louder than 10. I love this knob. I also put it as my tone knobs to make the tone a little brighter. It changed my tone so much. It's 1 louder, and 1 brighter." :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:

Incidentally, as near as I can tell, the whole "11 thing" was a result of the first gliimerings of the vintage craze.  Tweed and similar amps used legending that went from 1-12, continuing the old tradition of referring to positions in terms of "o'clock" positions.  As interest in pre-1960 amps started to grow, there was a mystique developing about amps that "went to 12", in complete disregard of the fact that the 1-12 was simply paint on the chassis.  And of course, with 11 being in between 10 (the newer legending on the Fender knobs) and 12, you know it just HAD to be better somehow.
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: bassmasta17 on November 19, 2008, 03:12:35 PM
makes you wonder...
do you think some one has made some kind of "extended range pot"?

Quote from: Mark Hammer on November 19, 2008, 03:05:21 PM
Ya gotta love the first customer review there: "I was looking for a knob that made my guitar louder, and I found it with this Dimarzio knob. When I need that little kick over the edge, I can just turn my guitar up to 11, one louder than 10. I love this knob. I also put it as my tone knobs to make the tone a little brighter. It changed my tone so much. It's 1 louder, and 1 brighter." :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:


:icon_lol: time to make knobs that go to 11!  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: Simon Owen on November 19, 2008, 03:20:17 PM
Why not just make 10 louder?
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: foxfire on November 19, 2008, 03:27:11 PM
i've got an old Earth head that goes to 12... i really do but, i'm not allowed to look at it so i'm not sure where it is.
rylan
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: Mark Hammer on November 19, 2008, 04:08:31 PM
Quote from: foxfire on November 19, 2008, 03:27:11 PM
i've got an old Earth head that goes to 12... i really do but, i'm not allowed to look at it so i'm not sure where it is.
rylan
I've got that problem licked on my two tweed amps; after 49 years, the numbers are pretty much rubbed off now.  For all I know, they might go to 13.
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: DougH on November 19, 2008, 04:11:27 PM
The big question is how does this Tufnel distortion sound if you use a violin bow, or kick the guitar?
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: DougH on November 19, 2008, 04:15:21 PM
Quote from: dano12 on November 19, 2008, 09:22:10 AM
In the end, tone shaping seemed to be so not part of the Tufnel philosophy.

Another variation on this you could try would be the "Rip Glitter mod"- turn all the knobs all the way up and then break them off!
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: Sir H C on November 19, 2008, 04:56:27 PM
Just remember to make the 10 ohm resistors 2 watts or so, or you could have a smoking good time.   :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: Electron Tornado on November 19, 2008, 05:59:02 PM
When you paint the pedal are you going to use the original cover art from Smell the Glove, or the just black cover?  :icon_wink:
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: snap on November 20, 2008, 02:26:01 AM
Quote from: Sir H C on November 19, 2008, 04:56:27 PM
Just remember to make the 10 ohm resistors 2 watts or so, or you could have a smoking good time.   :icon_mrgreen:

check out the reactance of the seriescaps with those 10 ohmers! (3.4k at 10kHz).
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: Sir H C on November 20, 2008, 09:22:49 AM
I was thinking about that in the shower this morning, forgot that it was small cap in series.   :icon_redface:
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: foxfire on November 20, 2008, 09:49:53 AM
Quote from: Mark Hammer on November 19, 2008, 04:08:31 PM
Quote from: foxfire on November 19, 2008, 03:27:11 PM
i've got an old Earth head that goes to 12... i really do but, i'm not allowed to look at it so i'm not sure where it is.
rylan
I've got that problem licked on my two tweed amps; after 49 years, the numbers are pretty much rubbed off now.  For all I know, they might go to 13.

NO WAY MAN! no amp can go to 13! that's like, IMPOSSIBLE!
rylan
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: bipedal on November 20, 2008, 11:24:09 AM
Too many 'Tap' quotes running through my mind right now.

Awesome looking project.

I'm afraid I already have a "Love Pump" in my pedal arsenal.  It was too perfect not to use as the name for my Tremulus Lune...  I'll leave it at that.   :icon_wink:

- Jay

Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: Mark Hammer on November 20, 2008, 11:28:27 AM
Quote from: foxfire on November 20, 2008, 09:49:53 AM
NO WAY MAN! no amp can go to 13! that's like, IMPOSSIBLE!
rylan
It's all in the biasing, baby! :icon_wink:  But just to be safe, I rubbed some thermal compound on the underside of my tubes, where they touch the sockets.  Just to make sure that when the amp actually hits 13, the heat doesn't destroy the tubes.  I figure I can use the chassis like a heat sink. :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: foxfire on November 20, 2008, 11:36:44 AM
Quote from: Mark Hammer on November 20, 2008, 11:28:27 AM
Quote from: foxfire on November 20, 2008, 09:49:53 AM
NO WAY MAN! no amp can go to 13! that's like, IMPOSSIBLE!
rylan
It's all in the biasing, baby! :icon_wink:  But just to be safe, I rubbed some thermal compound on the underside of my tubes, where they touch the sockets.  Just to make sure that when the amp actually hits 13, the heat doesn't destroy the tubes.  I figure I can use the chassis like a heat sink. :icon_mrgreen:

forget playing bars and whatnot, only play meat lockers...
rylan
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: newfish on November 21, 2008, 04:19:41 AM
...What? No umlauts?

You know it'll need at least one...
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: DougH on November 21, 2008, 07:38:57 AM
Something else you might consider is adding a few extra LEDs on it to help you find the stage.
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: BDuguay on November 21, 2008, 07:54:08 AM
Quote from: DougH on November 21, 2008, 07:38:57 AM
Something else you might consider is adding a few extra LEDs on it to help you find the stage.


Especially for those Cleveland gigs.
'Rock'n'Roll!!!
B.
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: 1878 on November 21, 2008, 01:06:29 PM
Quote from: DougH on November 21, 2008, 07:38:57 AM
Something else you might consider is adding a few extra LEDs on it to help you find the stage.


That's just nit-picking innit...

On a serious note, I've been asked about an over the top distortion type-thing, so I'm quite interested in building this. Any chance of a soundclip ??
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: raulgrell on November 22, 2008, 09:06:52 AM
I'd also be interested in hearing some sound samples, I've been getting really into insane distortions  ;D
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: bassmasta17 on November 22, 2008, 02:15:32 PM
Quote from: BDuguay on November 21, 2008, 07:54:08 AM
Quote from: DougH on November 21, 2008, 07:38:57 AM
Something else you might consider is adding a few extra LEDs on it to help you find the stage.


Especially for those Cleveland gigs.
'Rock'n'Roll!!!
B.

did someone say Cleveland gigs??
haha. i have had a cupple of those. but i think you are using somekind of slang i havent heard of yet.
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: CodeMonk on November 23, 2008, 02:29:13 AM
Quote from: Mark Hammer on November 19, 2008, 09:13:31 AM
I hasten to remind you that the zone where the gain is applied in the 386 can be determined simply by sticking a cap in series with the 1k gain pot.  Normally, we are used to the pin 1-8 path being bridged by either a pot, or a fixed resistor, or a pot and large value cap (10uf).  replace that cap with a smaller value (e.g., .047uf or .01uf) and the gain is applied only in the mids or upper frequencies.  It works a bit like emitter caps.

Another thought here...
How about the .01uf on one of the gain sections and say a .2uf on the other gain section?

And hey, I've got 4 386 chips with nothing to use them for, how about using all 4 ? :) (my nearest neighbor is about a 1/4 mile away). Then I could go up to 22 instead of just 11 :)
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: ilponiz on November 23, 2008, 01:09:27 PM
Quote from: dano12 on November 18, 2008, 08:25:31 PM
In a recent quest to make the loudest rudest distortion as simply as possible I came back to my favorite chip ever: the 386.

Here are two of them cascaded. No silly tone knob because Nigel would have just sneered at that. Two gain controls, on volume knob, and loads of sustain.

(http://www.beavisaudio.com/Projects/tufnel/tufnelV1_Schematic.gif)

And yes, it does go to 11.

:)




you're the man, mate!
i'll build one and use it with an amp like this:

(http://www.amoeba.com/dynamic-images/blog/Nor%20Cal%20Bloggers/April%2025/SpinalTap_Eleven.jpg)

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

have a glorious day, dano

poniz
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: dano12 on November 23, 2008, 06:11:11 PM
For the last few nights I've been meaning to take the tufnel off the breadboard to move onto other more pressing projects. But I just kept thinking about it and the few remaining tweaks that would make it really nice.

The first problem is that the V1 circuit really is overly bright. I tweaked C4 from 47n to 4n7 and it seem to tame a bit of the shrillness. Second was a lack of a filter control. Even thought the spirit of the design was for unadulterated raunchy distortion, it seemed a lot less useful on the pedalboard without a filter. So I added a simple filter at the end--these are the new VR3 and C11 parts. It is an effective, if crude, tone control.

So here is v1.1 of the tufnel, a bit more useful and still tons of fun.

(http://www.beavisaudio.com/Projects/tufnel/Tufnel_Schematic_V1_1.gif)
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: Paul Marossy on November 24, 2008, 10:50:38 AM
Huh, very interesting circuit. I thought that the Smash Drive was intense enough, I can't imagine this one. Do any soundclips exist for this thing yet?
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: dano12 on November 24, 2008, 07:21:26 PM
Quote from: 1878 on November 21, 2008, 01:06:29 PM
On a serious note, I've been asked about an over the top distortion type-thing, so I'm quite interested in building this. Any chance of a soundclip ??

On the breadboard, the high-gain nature of the circuit (doh) causes real extreme noise and oscillation.

I'm committing it to protoboard tonight, so hopefully that will solve some of the noise issues and I'll do a vid soon.

(http://www.beavisaudio.com/Projects/tufnel/protoboard2.jpg)
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: raulgrell on November 24, 2008, 08:32:06 PM
Ummmm... slightly nooby question... but what's that thing on your board wrapped in copper wire?
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: dano12 on November 24, 2008, 09:51:59 PM
Quote from: raulgrell on November 24, 2008, 08:32:06 PM
Ummmm... slightly nooby question... but what's that thing on your board wrapped in copper wire?

ninja part. first person who guesses its function wins. Prize = adulation.
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: Nitefly182 on November 25, 2008, 12:05:45 AM
Quote from: dano12 on November 24, 2008, 09:51:59 PM
Quote from: raulgrell on November 24, 2008, 08:32:06 PM
Ummmm... slightly nooby question... but what's that thing on your board wrapped in copper wire?

ninja part. first person who guesses its function wins. Prize = adulation.

Ninja parts are the new mojo parts.
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: John Lyons on November 25, 2008, 12:12:55 AM
Inductor/Choke I would guess.
Although there was talk of a resistor with a lot of current so maybe a homespun wire wound 10ohm?

John

Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: DougH on November 25, 2008, 07:31:40 AM
It's an antenna.
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: Paul Marossy on November 25, 2008, 09:48:49 AM
I also thought it was an antenna. I've seen antennas like that in transistor radios when I was a kid in the 70s...
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: doug deeper on November 25, 2008, 09:53:18 AM
its an antenna, to simulate the scene at the military base when tufnels wireless picks up radio signals!
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: dano12 on November 25, 2008, 10:00:01 AM
Quote from: doug deeper on November 25, 2008, 09:53:18 AM
its an antenna, to simulate the scene at the military base when tufnels wireless picks up radio signals!

Lol! The great Band Breakup Scene!

it is not an antenna.

Here's a clue: what is 12 minus 12?

Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: frequencycentral on November 25, 2008, 12:26:13 PM
Quote from: dano12 on November 25, 2008, 10:00:01 AM
Quote from: doug deeper on November 25, 2008, 09:53:18 AM
its an antenna, to simulate the scene at the military base when tufnels wireless picks up radio signals!

Lol! The great Band Breakup Scene!

it is not an antenna.

Here's a clue: what is 12 minus 12?



It's a very cool ninja/mojo jumper/0 ohm resistor?
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: dano12 on November 25, 2008, 12:40:03 PM
Quote from: frequencycentral on November 25, 2008, 12:26:13 PM
Quote from: dano12 on November 25, 2008, 10:00:01 AM
Quote from: doug deeper on November 25, 2008, 09:53:18 AM
its an antenna, to simulate the scene at the military base when tufnels wireless picks up radio signals!

Lol! The great Band Breakup Scene!

it is not an antenna.

Here's a clue: what is 12 minus 12?



Winnar! I.e. it serves no function.
It's a very cool ninja/mojo jumper/0 ohm resistor?
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: frequencycentral on November 25, 2008, 12:46:29 PM
Quote from: dano12 on November 25, 2008, 12:40:03 PM
Quote from: frequencycentral on November 25, 2008, 12:26:13 PM
Quote from: dano12 on November 25, 2008, 10:00:01 AM
Quote from: doug deeper on November 25, 2008, 09:53:18 AM
its an antenna, to simulate the scene at the military base when tufnels wireless picks up radio signals!

Lol! The great Band Breakup Scene!

it is not an antenna.

Here's a clue: what is 12 minus 12?



Winnar! I.e. it serves no function.
It's a very cool ninja/mojo jumper/0 ohm resistor?

Cool! You can just PM me the adulation. Lousy prize though Dano.  :'(
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: DougH on November 25, 2008, 12:57:38 PM
Quotet is not an antenna.

Darn. (finger snap)

I thought if it was I could suggest that was the source of your noise problem... :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: dano12 on November 25, 2008, 05:38:08 PM
Ok, so the protoboard build solved all the noise and oscillation problems. Woot!

Now that I've sorted the logo out, I need figure out the knobs:

(http://www.beavisaudio.com/Projects/tufnel/boxDrille.jpg)
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: andrew_k on November 25, 2008, 05:43:11 PM
Quote from: dano12 on November 25, 2008, 05:38:08 PM
Ok, so the protoboard build solved all the noise and oscillation problems. Woot!

Now that I've sorted the logo out, I need figure out the knobs:

(http://www.beavisaudio.com/Projects/tufnel/boxDrille.jpg)

AHahahaaa. Excellent box overkill Dano. You going with the DiMarzio "11" speed knobs?
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: Nitefly182 on November 25, 2008, 06:08:06 PM
Quote from: dano12 on November 25, 2008, 05:38:08 PM
Ok, so the protoboard build solved all the noise and oscillation problems. Woot!

Now that I've sorted the logo out, I need figure out the knobs:

(http://www.beavisaudio.com/Projects/tufnel/boxDrille.jpg)

The awesomeness, it is total. Are those metal letters?
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: 1878 on November 25, 2008, 06:22:32 PM
Every time I think, 'I don't need any more distortion/fuzz/overdrive pedals.' something like this comes along and makes a mockery of my newly-found free will.
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: dano12 on November 25, 2008, 06:48:12 PM
Yes on the metal letters, not sure on the dimarzios....
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: Sir H C on November 26, 2008, 04:18:25 PM
High gain circuits are a b**ch to stabilize.  Might have to slash grounds and make them meet far away, decouple with RC networks, good luck.
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: DWBH on November 26, 2008, 06:10:23 PM
Go with these knobs
(http://www.beavisaudio.com/projects/FKR/images/fkrproto2.jpg)
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: dano12 on November 26, 2008, 06:14:14 PM
Quote from: DWBH on November 26, 2008, 06:10:23 PM
Go with these knobs
(http://www.beavisaudio.com/projects/FKR/images/fkrproto2.jpg)

Lol, I'd forgotten about those.

They were like 20 bucks a knob...

I ordered the dimarzio 11 knobs, we'll see how they look.

Thanks for the memory!
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: runmikeyrun on November 26, 2008, 06:19:43 PM
I love this thread, and the idea for the pedal is amazing.  I have two 386's at home, i'm going to build it!

I think you guys need to see the new shirts I did for my band a couple months back...

(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d88/smellymonkeybutt/spinal_tap_shirt_lo.jpg)
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: MKULTRA on November 26, 2008, 06:34:17 PM
Quote from: DWBH on November 26, 2008, 06:10:23 PM
Go with these knobs
(http://www.beavisaudio.com/projects/FKR/images/fkrproto2.jpg)

What is this beast ?
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: bassmasta17 on November 26, 2008, 11:44:33 PM
i have heard of something the model railroad makers call either a grain of rice or grain of wheat lights. they would look sweet in those knobs.
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: bassmasta17 on November 26, 2008, 11:48:16 PM
yep they even come in red...
http://www.loystoys.com/loystoys/bulbs-and-leds.html
(http://www.loystoys.com/images/loystoys/ledrlc3.jpg)
Low-Current 3mm Red LED

    * 3mm (0.12-inch) diameter
    * Use on BDL162 output without resistor
    * For decoder applications, use 1K resistor
    * 1.8V, 2mA, 50-degree viewing angle
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: bassmasta17 on November 26, 2008, 11:49:37 PM
might be too big but they might come smaller
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: zeppelinchld on November 27, 2008, 01:49:57 AM
i wouldnt have bought the 11 knobs even though they are really cool cuz incase u guys didnt know yet... nigel now goes to infiniti
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgFEzk2VRXM&feature=related
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: Filament on November 27, 2008, 10:43:53 AM
Too bad no one makes wee tiny eight ball knobs.  As I recall, Nigel has a guitar with an eight ball on the end of the whammy bar...gear shift style.  Those would make cool knobs and still be a nod to Mr. Tufnel. 
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: gigimarga on November 27, 2008, 12:33:22 PM
A soundclip, please... ::)
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: runmikeyrun on November 27, 2008, 07:33:37 PM
I just made a sound sample at www.myspace.com/dissoluteideas1.  Turn your speakers down some, this thing really does go to 11.

The clip begins w/ both gains at min, then the 1st gain only at max, then the second gain only at max, then both gains at max.  Watch out, it gets VERY loud at the end because there is some sort of oscillation/hum going on when i'm not playing.  If anyone has any ideas on that i'd appreciate some help!  I wonder if it's because put both chips right next to each other... it's the worst when both gains are all the way up.

It also sounds like i have a ground issue, there's a constant hum that gets louder as the gains are turned up.  I've checked all my grounds 3 times and even changed the filter cap because it motorboats when on full gain and there's only a small amount of signal coming in.  That also might be due to my chip placement.  Any ideas on getting rid of motorboating?

If i can get this oscillation issue figured out i might put in a clean boost section so i can use a blend pot for bass guitar.  Some clipping diodes might be an option too, it would definitely help contain the output which as previously stated is REALLY LOUD!
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: gigimarga on November 28, 2008, 12:39:40 AM
Sound very nice...thx a lot!
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: MKULTRA on November 28, 2008, 08:27:16 AM
Quote from: MKULTRA on November 26, 2008, 06:34:17 PM
Quote from: DWBH on November 26, 2008, 06:10:23 PM
Go with these knobs
(http://www.beavisaudio.com/projects/FKR/images/fkrproto2.jpg)

What is this beast ?
I hate to bump this but.....
What is it ???
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: FiveseveN on November 28, 2008, 08:43:30 AM
What it says on the tin: Four Knob Rat prototype number 2.
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: MKULTRA on November 28, 2008, 08:50:38 AM
Quote from: FiveseveN on November 28, 2008, 08:43:30 AM
What it says on the tin: Four Knob Rat prototype number 2.
Oh, how completely stupid of me. If  knew that FKR was an abreviation for Four Knob Rat I would not have asked. Show a little courtesy and answer an innocent question in a less condescending manner.

Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: bassmasta17 on November 28, 2008, 11:21:27 PM
hey hey hey now lets not start anything. lets keep it clean.
(http://homelessmanspeaks.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/mr-clean-sept-28-2007.jpg)
and proper
(http://www.phawker.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/mr-clean.jpg)
something i found today i thought was funny. delete this if you thinks a waste of space.
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: dano12 on November 29, 2008, 08:22:22 AM
Quote from: MKULTRA on November 26, 2008, 06:34:17 PM
Quote from: DWBH on November 26, 2008, 06:10:23 PM
Go with these knobs
(http://www.beavisaudio.com/projects/FKR/images/fkrproto2.jpg)

What is this beast ?

Hey MK, it was one of the FKR (Four Knob Rat) prototypes I built. There is more info here:
http://www.beavisaudio.com/projects/FKR/


Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: dano12 on November 29, 2008, 08:23:36 AM
Quote from: runmikeyrun on November 27, 2008, 07:33:37 PM
I just made a sound sample at www.myspace.com/dissoluteideas1.  Turn your speakers down some, this thing really does go to 11.

The clip begins w/ both gains at min, then the 1st gain only at max, then the second gain only at max, then both gains at max.  Watch out, it gets VERY loud at the end because there is some sort of oscillation/hum going on when i'm not playing.  If anyone has any ideas on that i'd appreciate some help!  I wonder if it's because put both chips right next to each other... it's the worst when both gains are all the way up.

It also sounds like i have a ground issue, there's a constant hum that gets louder as the gains are turned up.  I've checked all my grounds 3 times and even changed the filter cap because it motorboats when on full gain and there's only a small amount of signal coming in.  That also might be due to my chip placement.  Any ideas on getting rid of motorboating?

If i can get this oscillation issue figured out i might put in a clean boost section so i can use a blend pot for bass guitar.  Some clipping diodes might be an option too, it would definitely help contain the output which as previously stated is REALLY LOUD!

Thanks for the clip! It sounds *way* different then mine. I'll post a clip of what mine sounds like as soon as get back to the beavis labs. Been on the road forever.....


Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: B Tremblay on November 29, 2008, 08:59:00 AM
Quote from: dano12 on November 29, 2008, 08:22:22 AM
Hey MK, it was one of the FKR (Four Knob Rat) prototypes I built. There is more info here:
http://www.beavisaudio.com/projects/FKR/

I was on the phone with Mark at OLCircuits.com and he mentioned the circuit, simply calling it "the f*cker."  I said "Wha?!?" and then he explained it was Dan's FKR.  As low-brow as I can be, I had never read it as anything other than "eff kay arr."
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: Paul Marossy on November 29, 2008, 10:37:03 AM
Very interesting sounding circuit. Definitely has a unique flavor to it.
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: Nitefly182 on November 29, 2008, 01:08:44 PM
Quote from: B Tremblay on November 29, 2008, 08:59:00 AM
Quote from: dano12 on November 29, 2008, 08:22:22 AM
Hey MK, it was one of the FKR (Four Knob Rat) prototypes I built. There is more info here:
http://www.beavisaudio.com/projects/FKR/

I was on the phone with Mark at OLCircuits.com and he mentioned the circuit, simply calling it "the f*cker."  I said "Wha?!?" and then he explained it was Dan's FKR.  As low-brow as I can be, I had never read it as anything other than "eff kay arr."

n00b.
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: B Tremblay on November 29, 2008, 03:17:27 PM
Guilty as charged.
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: dano12 on November 29, 2008, 05:20:33 PM
Quote from: B Tremblay on November 29, 2008, 08:59:00 AM
Quote from: dano12 on November 29, 2008, 08:22:22 AM
Hey MK, it was one of the FKR (Four Knob Rat) prototypes I built. There is more info here:
http://www.beavisaudio.com/projects/FKR/

I was on the phone with Mark at OLCircuits.com and he mentioned the circuit, simply calling it "the f*cker."  I said "Wha?!?" and then he explained it was Dan's FKR.  As low-brow as I can be, I had never read it as anything other than "eff kay arr."

LOL. I finally gave up on the pretense of the eff kay arr and simply call it the f*ker now. So much easier.
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: dano12 on December 03, 2008, 07:21:09 PM
Done!

(http://www.beavisaudio.com/Projects/tufnel/BoxDone.jpg)

What I learned:

1. Slamming one 386 into another is certainly over the top, and the two gain controls are fun, but it is still to raw. I think that a buffer at the input leading to a volume control before the first 386 would yield a more useful effect.
2. The output is just too hot for practical use. Drive any other pedal and it will clip the signal. I tried various voltage divider arrangements at the output but no real luck.
3. The output signal overpowers the "tone" control. Need to rethink that.
4. Epoxying metal letters on a box requires more patience than I have :)
5. This circuit really needs some type of high-pass filter at the front. Amplifying the full range of bass makes it muddy.
6. Having the "World's Loudest Stompbox" is certainly cool, until you realize that you can never turn it up past three.

Here's a vid so you can hear what it sounds like.

http://vimeo.com/2421886 (http://vimeo.com/2421886)
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: bassmasta17 on December 03, 2008, 08:04:04 PM
just got an idea dano...
devolt wah pedal.
would let you control the sound coming out of that analog delay pedal.
just mount the guts in a old crybaby and replace the 1/4 jacks with the power cable.

call it the Volt Masta  :icon_lol:  :P :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: DWBH on December 04, 2008, 09:20:26 AM
Cool pedal, but the sounds didn't really do it for me.
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: DougH on December 04, 2008, 09:33:34 AM
It would benefit from some low pass filtering.
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: dano12 on December 04, 2008, 09:41:58 AM
Quote from: DougH on December 04, 2008, 09:33:34 AM
It would benefit from some low pass filtering.

That's the least of its troubles.

:)

Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: DougH on December 04, 2008, 09:49:47 AM
 :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:

Btw, I like your noize video. Sounds like you were having fun. :icon_wink:
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: Paul Marossy on December 04, 2008, 04:58:23 PM
Whoa, those are some cool knobs (referring to your completed Tufnel). Where did you get those?
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: dano12 on December 04, 2008, 05:11:15 PM
Quote from: Paul Marossy on December 04, 2008, 04:58:23 PM
Whoa, those are some cool knobs (referring to your completed Tufnel). Where did you get those?

don't recall for sure but they should be on my knobapalooza page:

http://www.beavisaudio.com/techpages/Knobs/knobs.htm (http://www.beavisaudio.com/techpages/Knobs/knobs.htm)
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: Paul Marossy on December 04, 2008, 08:16:27 PM
Quote from: dano12 on December 04, 2008, 05:11:15 PM
Quote from: Paul Marossy on December 04, 2008, 04:58:23 PM
Whoa, those are some cool knobs (referring to your completed Tufnel). Where did you get those?

don't recall for sure but they should be on my knobapalooza page:

http://www.beavisaudio.com/techpages/Knobs/knobs.htm (http://www.beavisaudio.com/techpages/Knobs/knobs.htm)

Whoa! That's some awesome knob-age you have there.  :icon_eek: :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: dano12 on December 04, 2008, 08:21:56 PM
Quote from: Paul Marossy on December 04, 2008, 08:16:27 PM
Quote from: dano12 on December 04, 2008, 05:11:15 PM
Quote from: Paul Marossy on December 04, 2008, 04:58:23 PM
Whoa, those are some cool knobs (referring to your completed Tufnel). Where did you get those?

don't recall for sure but they should be on my knobapalooza page:

http://www.beavisaudio.com/techpages/Knobs/knobs.htm (http://www.beavisaudio.com/techpages/Knobs/knobs.htm)

Whoa! That's some awesome knob-age you have there.  :icon_eek: :icon_lol:

That's what she said.

Seriously though, I am a knob freak. I have boxes and boxes of them. My favorite part of building a pedal is when the enclosure is done and I can spend hours auditioning different knobs for that perfect aesthetic appeal.
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: Paul Marossy on December 04, 2008, 08:50:59 PM
I must say, you have the biggest selection of knobs I have ever seen. Pretty cool.  :icon_cool:
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: askwho69 on April 02, 2011, 06:52:29 AM
386 sounds like TUBES
Title: Re: Tufnel Distortion
Post by: vendettav on April 02, 2011, 06:53:38 AM
Quote from: askwho69 on April 02, 2011, 06:52:29 AM
386 sounds like TUBES
haha yeah at some point it really does!