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Title: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: The French connection on March 05, 2009, 09:35:23 PM
Hi! Here's my first attemp at vero layout. It's really fun, it's like doing Sudoku, or puzzle...Ok! I know i must get out and meet some people.  :P
Anyway, can someone verify it please? Did i forget to mention something?

Thanks!

Dan

(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z4/letournd/Vero%20Layout/NPN_Boost.jpg)
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: The French connection on March 06, 2009, 03:32:05 PM
I've found a couple of error and changed it. Is it ok now?

Thanks!

Dan
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: GREEN FUZ on March 06, 2009, 03:41:26 PM
Output wire needs to go to C9.
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: The French connection on March 06, 2009, 03:50:45 PM
Ok thanks! Changes done.

Dan
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: The French connection on March 20, 2009, 11:28:00 AM
Layout verified and working perfectly!

Dan
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: aron on April 26, 2009, 10:23:58 PM
BTW: Dan, thanks for the layout. I was going to make one for myself, then saw yours. It works fine. Yes, it's confirmed.
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: The French connection on April 27, 2009, 09:46:42 AM
Thanks Aron! I'm proud you've used it, you do so much for this forum that it's the least i can give.

Thanks for your time!

Bonne journée!
Dan
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: aron on April 27, 2009, 12:17:23 PM
Thank you! After it was finished, I used double-sided foam tape to mount it on the back of the pot. It fit into a really small enclosure. Very cool!
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: The French connection on April 27, 2009, 01:27:40 PM
Yeah i've done that too and mount it with AMZ Mosfet boost in the same 1290 box with a 4P3T rotary to select between Gus boost/Mosfet/Both in serie (Mosfet in Gus booster). Gus (beginner) booster is my fav overall.

Have a nice day!
Dan
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: aron on April 27, 2009, 04:50:40 PM
Your pedal you made sounds like a good idea!
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: rogsteels on May 01, 2009, 05:31:14 PM
I want to use this for my first attempt while I'm waiting for my perf board to arrive.

When reading these vero layouts how do I know which way round the capacitors are mounted?

As you have probably guessed I'm new to this
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: rousejeremy on May 01, 2009, 05:47:41 PM
The slightly darkened side of the Electro cap is negative.
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: rogsteels on May 01, 2009, 06:26:47 PM
Excellent!...cheers Jeremy...I didnt even notice the slightly darker bit till you mentioned it
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: jacobyjd on May 03, 2009, 11:26:54 PM
Well, I finally built the beginner project using this convenient vero layout (one year later and with so many more complicated projects under my belt...this is a new challenge, since it's going into a 1590A enclosure...).

I soldered it up this evening and connected all the wires on the breadboard to try it out. At first, I got no sound--you know that sinking feeling that comes when you know it's debugging time...

...well, I looked over the breadboard to make sure all my pre-bussed connections were set up, and I happened to glance at the battery snap, which has a hastily-soldered extension attached to it. Interestingly enough, the ground wire had broken after so many times of connecting and disconnecting the battery.

I fired up the iron again and made the connection to the battery, then fired it up with my Crate VC3113 30w class A amp. Talk about a nice tone! It was perfect for what I'm planning to use it for--a boost to allow me to switch freely between guitars w/ single coils and guitars with humbuckers with very little down time on stage--this keeps me from having to adjust the gain on my amp each time. Wow.

I think I'll build another one as a lead booster that'll go after my preamp--this thing sounds better than ANYTHING I've tried yet. It just goes to show you that this beginner project can blow just about any boooteeeek booster out of the water, and it's costing me...what...$25 for a complete build!? Tell me where you can buy something that sounds this good (and is this versatile) for 25 bucks.  :icon_cool: :icon_cool: :icon_cool:
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: sevenisthenumber on May 03, 2009, 11:41:33 PM
What would you compare this to? An lpb1?
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: jacobyjd on May 04, 2009, 09:39:11 AM
What would you compare this to? An lpb1?

Not at all--any lpb1 I've heard is really heavy-sounding--not a whole lot of treble going on.

However, it's not like a Rangemaster, either--in fact, I wouldn't even consider it to be a treble booster. There's just enough treble to keep your pick attack and definition, but it doesn't LOSE any body.

At higher volumes it seems to get fatter, so if you're boosting your preamp to distort more, your lows won't be metal-tight--bass gets a little rubbery when the gain is cranked--but that's not so much a characteristic of the booster so much as what any amp does when you boost the preamp section from the front end.
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: TheBishness on August 27, 2009, 07:15:39 PM
Sorry, I am completely new to this. The R5, is this 100k like it says in the caption box. If so what is the 5K boost?

Thanks,
Edward
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: TheBishness on August 27, 2009, 07:22:38 PM
I apologise for my incompetence. I have understood it. I knew there was a reason I should have paid attention in electronics class...
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: aron on August 27, 2009, 07:30:34 PM
R5 is a resistor, 5K boost is a potentiometer. Check out the FAQ to see more!

http://www.diystompboxes.com/cnews/FAQ.html
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: aron on August 27, 2009, 07:57:14 PM
Btw: welcome to the forum! :-)
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: cab42 on September 25, 2009, 03:36:42 PM

A few days ago my I finally had to let my NPN Boost go. It was inrepearable due to the original crappy soldering and continous modding. The board was a mess of solder, burns and lifted pads.

I felt quite strongly for it as it was my first build when I joined the forum five years ago.

But I was able to desolder all the parts and reuse them on Dans vero layout, so now its back in action and still containing all the mojo from the original build.

Thanks to Dan for an easy build compact layout and to Aron for running this great forum!

Regards

Carsten
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: aron on September 25, 2009, 04:47:38 PM
Cool! I still have my first beginner project! I put it in a Radio Shack plastic box.
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: Hupla on September 25, 2009, 05:40:57 PM
Cool! I still have my first beginner project! I put it in a Radio Shack plastic box.

Cool. what was it?
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: aron on September 25, 2009, 06:21:54 PM
It was the Electra Distortion from Justin Philpott's site. It was quite a rush to get it working.
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: rousejeremy on September 26, 2009, 12:26:21 AM
Do you mind if I ask what year that was?
It was the Electra Distortion from Justin Philpott's site. It was quite a rush to get it working.
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: aron on September 26, 2009, 05:52:14 AM
I think it was around 1997???? or 98????
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: cab42 on September 26, 2009, 02:56:19 PM
I think it was around 1997???? or 98????

It was about the same time I made my first attempt on guitar electronics. However, living in Greenland at that time, I didn't have much access to the internet (Greenland got its first internet connection in 1996 and the whole of Greenland only had a 250k highly unstable satellite link), so I really did'nt get anywhere except for a headphone amp from an old danish electronics magazine. I remember finding R.G.s and Jamie Heilmans sites, when i finally got internet in 97, but it wasn't until 2004, back in Denmark when I found this  forum via GGG that I started building.

Regards

Carsten
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: aron on September 27, 2009, 02:50:21 AM
Sounds like we started around the same time. :-)
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: 1tczx on November 23, 2009, 09:27:26 PM
hey guys noob here, trying this out as my first project.
however, i was wondering how does the currrent knows where to flow next in my PCB?left to right? if its guided thru wire like in a schematic i understand but in a pcb?
allittle help here thx
im using this pcb
(http://www.e-gizmo.com/PRODUCT/proto/pcbs2.gif)
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: Hupla on November 24, 2009, 08:15:37 AM
hey guys noob here, trying this out as my first project.
however, i was wondering how does the currrent knows where to flow next in my PCB?left to right? if its guided thru wire like in a schematic i understand but in a pcb?
allittle help here thx
im using this pcb
(http://www.e-gizmo.com/PRODUCT/proto/pcbs2.gif)

This isnt a PCB its a vero layout. And Just like in bouth a Vero and a PCB the current follows the copper tracks that are down and the wires you use.

On vero all the copper tracks go in the same direction so you have to use wires and cut the tracks to get the layout you want. IMO its the most user friendly.
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: 1tczx on December 02, 2009, 10:21:37 PM
sry i do not get wad u mean. care to explain in simpler terms? does that mean the board is used just to hold the components thats all? wires can be used to complete circuit too?
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: Hupla on December 03, 2009, 03:27:43 PM
sry i do not get wad u mean. care to explain in simpler terms? does that mean the board is used just to hold the components thats all? wires can be used to complete circuit too?

sorry. On a vero board it has copper tracks running all the one way. You can then use this to make a circuit by using the copper tracks to connect the components you want and using wires to connect each track to another track or usin components ie. resistors. Do you understand? :)

A PCB is designed on a computer or just by using a pen. and then copper tracks of that design are etched on to a board and then all you have to do is solder the components in.
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: 1tczx on December 03, 2009, 08:32:59 PM
then can i use this??(http://www.e-gizmo.com/PRODUCT/proto/pcbs2.gif)
is this a pcb or vero?
how do i etch my circuit lines onto this if its a pcb?
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: aron on December 03, 2009, 09:40:59 PM
Order this board:

http://diystompboxes.com/zencart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=5&products_id=17
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: aftguitar94 on December 04, 2009, 08:44:28 PM
Hey guys, I'm building this pedal this weekend and I was wondering what the red dots in the little squares were in the layout. Sorry if thats a dumb question, but I wanna do this right.  :icon_lol: Thanks
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: pazuzu on December 04, 2009, 08:46:34 PM
those are trace cuts. cut the copper so there is a break in the conductivity.
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: aftguitar94 on December 04, 2009, 08:54:50 PM
what should I use to cut it?
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: pazuzu on December 04, 2009, 09:01:36 PM
i have never used vero board, but i would imagine an xacto knife would be suitable.
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: aftguitar94 on December 04, 2009, 09:08:57 PM
Ok great, thanks!
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: The French connection on December 05, 2009, 10:27:53 AM
what should I use to cut it?

A small drill bit!
(http://www.aronnelson.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=11150&g2_serialNumber=2)
http://www.aronnelson.com/gallery/main.php/v/DRAGONFLY-LAYOUTS_0/TUTORIALS/album21/

Dan
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: aftguitar94 on December 08, 2009, 04:41:49 PM
My drill is up in New York and I'm in South Carolina right now but I really wanna build today, so could I use an Xacto knife like suggested before?
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: aftguitar94 on December 08, 2009, 08:35:59 PM
Nevermind, I did it with a screwdriver  :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: The French connection on December 08, 2009, 10:51:39 PM
You mixed it all: Xacto knife is for NY and Drill is for South Carolina... :P

Dan
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: j.d.roost on July 09, 2012, 01:41:32 PM
Sorry about bringing an old thread back from the dead...but my question applies to this vero layout.

I built it this weekend and was surprised on how much boost/fuzz I had at the max gain setting.
I have so much cream it could actually be passed of as a decent fuzz box.

I went over the board again today and found out I have my c2 in backwards (polarity is in the wrong direction).
Would this be the cause of my boost turning into a fuzz or does it have zero effect on the pedals voice?

Thanks
Title: Re: NPN Boost Vero layout
Post by: aron on July 09, 2012, 09:01:49 PM
It does have a lot of fuzz at the max settings. I never put C2 backwards... I'm not sure how the capacitance is affected by this.