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Title: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: Brymus on January 21, 2011, 04:46:39 AM
I breadboarded the Krankenstien from from Old Mike at GT labs (Russian forum)
Sounds killer,much like Dr Boogie,has hiss like DR Boogie too...
My only changes were to keep the voltages as posted on the schematic by adding 1k to each R8,R14, and a 500K volume pot vs 1M.
I also wired the 3rd lug of the drive pot to ground instead of Vref ,this reduced the hiss,anyone know why ?
After going through the GTlab schematics they are all meant to be build on the same PCB,by just changing component values.
Anyway I have verified the circiut,if anyone else wants to try.
Comments ?
I will try to get some sound clips tommorow...
(http://www.aronnelson.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=44326&g2_serialNumber=1)
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: deadastronaut on January 21, 2011, 05:07:16 AM
nice one bryan, look forward to the mean clips on this....... :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: euronymous0001 on January 21, 2011, 10:04:48 AM
kudos for the build!

i tried this one and did not succeed. there was sound but it was bad. i have a couple of question.

1. how many trimmers did you use and what resistors are those if aside from the 470k trim?
2. are you referring to the layout used on buzzefall?
3. does it really sound like the clips on the site?

thank you in advance
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: Brymus on January 21, 2011, 04:17:25 PM
Quote from: euronymous0001 on January 21, 2011, 10:04:48 AM
kudos for the build!

i tried this one and did not succeed. there was sound but it was bad. i have a couple of question.

1. how many trimmers did you use and what resistors are those if aside from the 470k trim?
2. are you referring to the layout used on buzzefall?
3. does it really sound like the clips on the site?

thank you in advance
1) There is only one two trimmers,the 470K (I used 500k pot),and I replaced R2 with a 50K pot so I could dial in 4V like on the schematic.
I changed R14 from 2K to 3K,and R8 from 1K to 2K,this was to keep the voltage drops like those posted on the schematic.

2) Yes the Buzzfall layout can be used for any of the designs on that page,you just have to build the tonestack off board(on the pots)

3)It's pretty close ,I think the ones they had posted sounded better,I will mess with it more today and try to get some clips recorded.

Sadly the links to the sound clips no longer work.
I can't remember which one I liked best, but there was one that really stood out to me as sounding better than any other pedal I had heard before.
I didn't build a pedal yet it's just on my breadboard,but it is a pretty large circuit,so its easy to make simple mistakes.
You should revisit it,it took me 2 hours to breadboard the whole thing and de-bug my mistakes.
I used J201s in place of the KP303 A and E JFETs.
I had read the MPF102 is a better replacement for the KP303A,but a J201 sounded better.
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: askwho69 on January 21, 2011, 05:17:07 PM
Nice another highgain stuff!
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: Brymus on January 21, 2011, 05:48:37 PM
Thanks to a suggestion from Alex (Earth tones Audio)
I replaced the 100uf (C16) with a much lower ESR 10uf cap,BIG hiss reduction,like almost none now !!!

Will update more this evening.
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: askwho69 on January 21, 2011, 09:32:16 PM
can you edit the schematics for the updates of the components too? im watching this thread :D
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: Brymus on January 21, 2011, 09:53:21 PM
Hopefully this will inspire more people to experiment with these schematics.
Here are my voltages as recorded in these two sound clips.
I noted all the changes on the schematic,as well as the voltages for all the FETs ,and MOSFETs,and the power rail.
Sorry for the messy test sheet,and sloppy playing  :icon_redface:
Here are the Q voltages:
  Drain,  Gate, Source
Q1 4v   ,  0v,  .46v        
Q2 6.1v,  3.7v, 1.8v        
Q3 5.7v,  4.5v, 2.6v
Q4 7.3v,  1.8v, 48mv
Q5 9.2v,  7.3v, 7.8v
Q6 9.2v,   0v,  6.7v
(http://www.aronnelson.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=44354&g2_serialNumber=1)
R13 is 180K not 180r

MP3 -1 mids scooped and treble up (too much)
http://www.aronnelson.com/gallery/main.php/v/Brymus/Krankenstien/Krankentest.mp3.html

MP3 -2 mids up, sweep down,treble down
http://www.aronnelson.com/gallery/main.php/v/Brymus/Krankenstien/KrankenMIDS.mp3.html

EDIT OH yeah,recorded with an Epi LP into my EVJ half stack,into a large diaphram mic at 18" center,into Reaper DAW.
No EQ,or any thing else.
I did duplicate the track and pan left and right for stereo playback,but no FX or EQ of any kind.
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: Brymus on January 21, 2011, 09:55:31 PM
I think this one sounds seriously mean live.
And I think it could be improved as well.

If you look at my voltages they could be tweaked better,or maybe just swap Q2 and Q3
and add a 100r in front of the 9.2v supply.
I intend to try the other schematics out and report back too,so stay tuned...
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: euronymous0001 on January 21, 2011, 11:16:50 PM
i would revisit my failed krankenstein build! :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted:

the sound clips from the site AFAIK sounds HIFI compared to yours but i thinks that with the same setup they should not be part apart.

Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: Brymus on January 22, 2011, 12:35:21 AM
Quote from: euronymous0001 on January 21, 2011, 11:16:50 PM
the sound clips from the site AFAIK sounds HIFI compared to yours but i thinks that with the same setup they should not be part apart.



I agree the sound clips they had posted did sound better to me too but I remember they added a little reverb and maybe compression.
So I re-recorded ,this time straight into the PC,where I added a cab sim VST and a little compresion.
The lead track has a little delay as well.
I tried to play the same riff as the last MP3 but added a solo on another track.
I think it sounds a bit better,what about you guys?

http://www.aronnelson.com/gallery/main.php/v/Brymus/Krankenstien/KrankenstienCabSim.mp3.html
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: askwho69 on January 22, 2011, 01:48:27 AM
have you breadboard this or PCB?
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: slacker on January 22, 2011, 06:49:52 AM
High gain distortion's not really my thing, but that sounds great.
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: twabelljr on January 22, 2011, 09:46:39 AM
I think it sounds great, and your efforts are appreciated. That is a heavy metal monster. Lovin it!
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: deadastronaut on January 22, 2011, 09:54:18 AM
 :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted:

oh yes!..

\m/   \m/   

Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: askwho69 on January 22, 2011, 09:16:14 PM
It really sounds f*ck*ng awesome!
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: deadastronaut on January 22, 2011, 10:41:29 PM
hi bryan,

could you please do a clip without the tonestack...just curious!... :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: Brymus on January 22, 2011, 11:33:41 PM
Thank you very much for the kind words guys  8)
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: Brymus on January 22, 2011, 11:45:04 PM
Quote from: deadastronaut on January 22, 2011, 10:41:29 PM
hi bryan,

could you please do a clip without the tonestack...just curious!... :icon_twisted:
Uhmm it sounds REALLY bad with out the tonestack.

Here is the final version and a live clip into my 18 watt with Jensen Jets
And then one straight into my PC with cab sim.
I altered the power rail more and tweaked the EQ for better bass and mids,plus a couple other minor changes.
I think theres plenty of bass to be had by tweaking the EQ rather than messing with the pre amp itself.
(http://www.aronnelson.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=44376&g2_serialNumber=1)
Here live into 18 watt
http://www.aronnelson.com/gallery/main.php/v/Brymus/Krankenstien/Krankenstien18watt_jensenjets_BBE_compresion.mp3.html
And straight into the PC with cab sim,I added BBE and compression to both clips too.
http://www.aronnelson.com/gallery/main.php/v/Brymus/Krankenstien/Krankenstien_Cabsim_BBE_compresion.mp3.html

I think thats all I am gonna do with this preamp emulation,Its serious hard core gain,but thats all it does.
If your a hard core, high gain player you should see if its your thing especially if you like the Krankenstien head.
I am sure the EQ could be tweaked even better but I am anxious to try the Soldano and Mesa Boogie designs from GT labs too.
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: askwho69 on January 23, 2011, 06:25:06 AM
Nice gonna try this :D
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: twabelljr on January 23, 2011, 09:42:30 AM
I love crunchy, gritty palm muting and pinch harmonics. Awesome job! Gonna start gathering parts now.  :icon_biggrin:
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: euronymous0001 on January 23, 2011, 01:34:21 PM
brymus

where is the gain pot on your final version?  :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: Brymus on January 23, 2011, 01:56:10 PM
Quote from: euronymous0001 on January 23, 2011, 01:34:21 PM
brymus

where is the gain pot on your final version?  :icon_mrgreen:
It doesnt have one.
The way the MOSFETs are biased it doesnt work the way its drawn on the schematics.
So the circuit works/sounds alot better with out it.
You can use the volume on your guitar,or
You could probably add a JFET voltage follower(buffer) after Q1 and stick it in between Q1 and the JFET voltage follower.

Also I would experiment with the EQ values,I think it could be alot better.
I just wanted to verify the schematics ,and see how close they sound to the sound clips that were posted at GT labs forum.

Also :If you try this, check all your volatges then strum your guitar and turn the trimmer between Q3 and Q4 as you will only get sound in one small part of the travel.
Only the Krankenstien version has this issue,due to the way Q4 is set up,to sound like the actual Krankenstien tube version.

Also:
I have had a couple of PM's wanting to know my PCB layout  - I didn't make a PCB or pedal I simply breadboarded the circuit
and recorded it that way.
The buzzfall layout will work for any of the schematics on that page at GT labs.
http://www.guitarjfet.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30&Itemid=34

Just keep in mind there is also a clean channel on that layout,which is why there are two extra FETS on the PCB.
Also the 4th leg on the Russian FETs is a ground connection,so dont let that throw you off.
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: euronymous0001 on January 23, 2011, 03:26:03 PM
Quote from: Brymus on January 23, 2011, 01:56:10 PM
Quote from: euronymous0001 on January 23, 2011, 01:34:21 PM
brymus

where is the gain pot on your final version?  :icon_mrgreen:
It doesnt have one.
The way the MOSFETs are biased it doesnt work the way its drawn on the schematics.
So the circuit works/sounds alot better with out it.
You can use the volume on your guitar,or
You could probably add a JFET voltage follower(buffer) after Q1 and stick it in between Q1 and the JFET voltage follower.

how is "a lot better" sounds compared to the one with gain?

i tried to create a layout following the buzzefall and i was aware of the 4-legged fets and also with the clean channelof the layout.
thanks for the replies!
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: Brymus on January 23, 2011, 10:38:31 PM
I recorded it the way it is on the schematic.
BUT
:icon_redface:
I discovered I had a bad treble pot,while working on the SLO 100 fet pedal.(same pots I used for the Krankenstien)
Now the EQ works way better, so I am going to have to re-bread board this again.
thats OK I want to try with a voltage follower after Q1 so it can have a proper gain pot.

Listen to how tight the SLO 100 fet pedal sounds,
I KNOW the Krankenstien can sound better with a proper treble pot...DOH stupid ,stupid, Bry
http://www.aronnelson.com/gallery/main.php/v/Brymus/Modern+SLO+100+FET+version/MoP+SLO+100+pedal+_GX20M_JensenJets.mp3.html
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: joegagan on January 23, 2011, 11:16:05 PM
great clips. cool sounding pedal for sure.

i like the way you posted your lab notes. good example for the rest of us lazy bastards 8) :icon_cool: :icon_idea:
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: twabelljr on January 23, 2011, 11:16:47 PM
Bryan, I like your work. Soundclips kick *ss!! Keep it up.
+1 on the lab notes. Thanks.
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: audioguy on January 26, 2011, 09:03:52 AM
Has anyone knocked out any layouts for the GTlabs stuff? Looks amazing... and being a gain freeeek I look forward to building this bad boy.

OOPS... I just re-read the post stating that the GT emus can be built on the Buzzefall layout. I'll give that a stab.

Quick question- what layout software opens the .lay file?
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: euronymous0001 on January 26, 2011, 10:20:32 AM
Quote from: audioguy on January 26, 2011, 09:03:52 AM
Quick question- what layout software opens the .lay file?

Sprint Layout  ;D
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: audioguy on January 26, 2011, 10:54:44 AM
Found Sprint... now the 4 legged V's have me confused.. and I don't see where the tone stack would go on that layout. I'm really hoping to get this figured out, because all of those schemes sounded fun!!
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: euronymous0001 on January 26, 2011, 11:27:17 AM
Quote from: audioguy on January 26, 2011, 10:54:44 AM
Found Sprint... now the 4 legged V's have me confused.. and I don't see where the tone stack would go on that layout. I'm really hoping to get this figured out, because all of those schemes sounded fun!!

tonestack is not on the layout, look for the "3" to the left of R23, that goes to the TS (R26 R27 C22)
lug 2 of your treble would go to "6"  to the left of R24 (atop VOL pot).

as for the 4 legged trannies, i think brymus also stated this earlier that one would go to ground (the pad below the "1" of V1 of the first tranny)
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: audioguy on January 26, 2011, 12:11:15 PM
Now I've got to FIND those trannies! hahaha Thanks for the help.
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: audioguy on January 26, 2011, 12:34:24 PM
Also, what would the 5 pad be above C25. you can see 3 pads there... hmm

NOW I'M CONFUSED...
I just looked at the SLO100 from GTLabs... and it looks like those 4 legged trannies are subbed with J201s- how in the world do I make that work.
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: euronymous0001 on January 26, 2011, 12:58:47 PM
Quote from: audioguy on January 26, 2011, 12:34:24 PM
Also, what would the 5 pad be above C25. you can see 3 pads there... hmm


5 pad is the OUT, going to the switch or output jack. this has a buffer so OUT is not directly from lug 2 of the VOL pot.

Quote from: audioguy on January 26, 2011, 12:34:24 PM
NOW I'M CONFUSED...
I just looked at the SLO100 from GTLabs... and it looks like those 4 legged trannies are subbed with J201s- how in the world do I make that work.

just ignore the ground pad on those trannies  ;D
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: Maik on January 27, 2011, 05:24:11 AM
Could someone build it and post the correct layout/pcb?
It´s too dificult for me but I wanna have... ;D
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: Brymus on January 27, 2011, 04:11:54 PM
Quote from: joegagan on January 23, 2011, 11:16:05 PM
great clips. cool sounding pedal for sure.

i like the way you posted your lab notes. good example for the rest of us lazy bastards 8) :icon_cool: :icon_idea:
Thank you that means alot coming from you Joe !
Quote from: twabelljr on January 23, 2011, 11:16:47 PM
Bryan, I like your work. Soundclips kick *ss!! Keep it up.
+1 on the lab notes. Thanks.
Thank you !
Quote from: euronymous0001 on January 26, 2011, 10:20:32 AM
Quote from: audioguy on January 26, 2011, 09:03:52 AM
Quick question- what layout software opens the .lay file?

Sprint Layout  ;D
Download Sprint layout here http://www.abacom-online.de/uk/html/demoversionen.html
Thanks for the tip,after downloading Sprint Viewer and printing the trace layer it will definetly fit in a 1590BB enclosure.

NOTES:
I have re-breadboarded this and the EQ from the original schematic works fine - I did use a 1M5 Bass pot for more low end though,and I also kept the "presence" from the SLO 100 (on a switch with a 100K pot for fine tuning)

The gain pot,man oh man this is giving me a headache....
I did verify that adding a follower after Q1 and inserting a pot between Q1 and the follower works,
As does using a 100K as a variable resistor to ground like on my re-touched schematic.

Right now I am using a 470uf cap on leg 3 of the gain pot to ground.
This bleeds off the AC signal, without altering the DC levels in the circuit.

I made a regulated power supply and dialed my voltages in even closer to the ones on the schematic,right now my voltages are with in .02V of those posted on the original version.

I added the buffered bypass section,you will notice it is tied gate to gate with Q1 (Q1 and Q7 are connected at the gates)
This effects the voltages too...

It is sounding really good at this point,so I am going to break out my O-scope and signal generator and see whats going on.
I am going to try and match what Old Mike did in his blog here.
http://gtlab.net/gtlab4/archives/216
He states that the best way  (from the Windows Live translation) is to set the bias of each stage with the scope,although the designs we are all familiar with, are supposed more forgiving,but less acurate.(meaning you dont need the scope to set them up)
Anyone interested in these FET emulations should translate and read that page !!!

I am working on a new/revised layout ,I have traced the buzzfall layout (prior to finding out about Sprint)
And am going to make it so the gain pot works right,and hopefully add all the EQ and pots to the PCB to simplify wiring and reduce noise.
When it's done I will post it for everyone to use.
I plan to etch and build this ,as it Freakin rocks !
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: euronymous0001 on January 27, 2011, 04:48:20 PM
did you try to have the gain pot go to ground instead of the vref?
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: askwho69 on January 27, 2011, 08:28:44 PM
:D
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: audioguy on January 29, 2011, 06:50:35 PM
Quote from: Brymus on January 27, 2011, 04:11:54 PM
I am working on a new/revised layout ,I have traced the buzzfall layout (prior to finding out about Sprint)
And am going to make it so the gain pot works right,and hopefully add all the EQ and pots to the PCB to simplify wiring and reduce noise.
When it's done I will post it for everyone to use.
I plan to etch and build this ,as it Freakin rocks !

This would kick ass... would love a full layout. will yours be able to accommodate the other circuits at GTLabs?
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: Brymus on January 29, 2011, 07:54:25 PM
Uhm yeah, running the gain pot to ground instead of Vref was the first thing I tried. ;D
But I think it sounds better using a cap to bleed the AC and keep the DC Vref stabilized at the same time.
I honestly thought (still think its possible) that the voltage bleed (when goingto ground or Vref) could be part of the voltage scaling design.
But out of running it to Vref ,or straight to ground, or via a cap to ground.
I think that latter the best sounding.

Quote from: audioguy on January 29, 2011, 06:50:35 PM
Quote from: Brymus on January 27, 2011, 04:11:54 PM
I am working on a new/revised layout ,I have traced the buzzfall layout (prior to finding out about Sprint)
And am going to make it so the gain pot works right,and hopefully add all the EQ and pots to the PCB to simplify wiring and reduce noise.
When it's done I will post it for everyone to use.
I plan to etch and build this ,as it Freakin rocks !

This would kick ass... would love a full layout. will yours be able to accommodate the other circuits at GTLabs?

In as much as the buzzfall layout does,yes. I decided revised is going to take less time than new.  :)
I am just modifying it to include a few changes and the EQ section,trying to get as many pots as possible pcb mounted.
I dont think mine will allow for a 9V battery in the 1590BB enclosure though.
There are 7 pots if you include sweep,and presence.
I would rather lose the battery and have a regulated power supply and board mounted pots.

After finishing (last month) my Dr Boogie I started for the 666 competition, I would much,much rather have as much as possible board mounted.
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: audioguy on January 30, 2011, 10:46:12 AM
I dont use batteries anyway... so board mounted pots are good for me... man you're work is really appreciated by us high-gain freaks.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: audioguy on February 02, 2011, 03:01:02 PM
hate to be a pest... but any progress on this PCB project? I've got a free bench this weekend.  :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: audioguy on February 16, 2011, 07:23:49 AM
bump
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: deadastronaut on February 16, 2011, 07:49:55 AM
i think he may have been abducted by aliens in the desert....they heard how awesomely thrashy the pedal sounds and took him ,and his breadboard!.. :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: Maik on February 16, 2011, 08:52:00 AM
@#$%ing aliens ;D
Now he will get a chip in his head and they do sexual things with him. Life can be bad ;D
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: deadastronaut on February 16, 2011, 08:59:53 AM
 :icon_mrgreen:, you never know though!..he might come back with an even better pedal if they do that... :icon_mrgreen:... :icon_cool:
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: Maik on February 16, 2011, 09:02:10 AM
OK, :icon_mrgreen: than - we hope so  ;D

Aliens: DO IT!!! :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: audioguy on February 16, 2011, 11:43:27 AM
I was just hoping for an update... hahaha
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: deadastronaut on February 16, 2011, 12:03:32 PM
here he is at 0:30. thinking about biasing j201's...till he gets disturbed by a kid....i think he's definately been taken over... :icon_mrgreen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ury5b-qtI1Y&feature=related


Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: Brymus on February 16, 2011, 09:17:41 PM
Sorry guys things keep interfering with free time,lack of really.
Still on breadboard,still sounds super.
It will get done, but when I get the time to do it right.
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: audioguy on February 17, 2011, 08:12:07 AM
Thanks for the update Bryan! I was getting worried we might not see this project completed.
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: audioguy on March 02, 2011, 07:40:23 AM
bump
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: Maik on March 02, 2011, 09:38:30 AM
bump!

please, Bryan

wanna have   :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: Brymus on March 03, 2011, 01:18:39 AM
Its coming...
The new baby and the band are taking ,err the new baby is taking most my free time. :icon_mrgreen:
Its still on my breadboard and I have an enclosure waiting to be drilled,
I am thinking of building a LM3886 amp with this as the high gain channel.
Really I would recomend breadboarding this first anyway.
Its a high gain beast and isnt as versatile as my Dr Boogie which took almost year to finish too...
But man the Krankenstien's high gain is sweet.
And IMO has better bass response,I wonder if thats because the Boogie tone stack is scaled and the Krankenstien tonestack is not scaled.
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: deadastronaut on March 03, 2011, 05:46:22 AM
Quote from: Brymus on March 03, 2011, 01:18:39 AM
I wonder if thats because the Boogie tone stack is scaled and the Krankenstien tonestack is not scaled.


congrats on the new baby bryan... :icon_wink:


yes it probably is, i would say...hmmm..get the breadboard out then.. :icon_cool:

Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: audioguy on March 04, 2011, 07:25:05 AM
Yeah sounds like you've got your hands full!
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: audioguy on March 18, 2011, 07:58:27 AM
quick bump
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: audioguy on April 04, 2011, 12:07:34 PM
Any news?
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: audioguy on May 16, 2011, 08:38:31 AM
Guess this one is dead... perhaps we'll be able to resurrect it this summer.
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: deadastronaut on May 16, 2011, 09:06:31 AM
hmmmm.......the schemo is on page 1....if anyone fancies doind a layout for it?... :icon_wink: :icon_mrgreen:

i would love to do a layout, but i'm really too busy at the mo.... :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: audioguy on May 17, 2011, 06:35:36 AM
Wish I could do my own pcb... I just dont have the layout chops for a job this big.
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: euronymous0001 on May 17, 2011, 12:47:29 PM
Quote from: audioguy on May 17, 2011, 06:35:36 AM
Wish I could do my own pcb... I just dont have the layout chops for a job this big.

have you tried doing a layout for this one? ;D
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: deadastronaut on May 17, 2011, 12:53:20 PM
nope!... :D
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: euronymous0001 on May 17, 2011, 01:04:06 PM
Quote from: deadastronaut on May 17, 2011, 12:53:20 PM
nope!... :D

in that case: ;)

(http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac348/euronymous0001/krank/layoutgndpour.png)

(http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac348/euronymous0001/krank/pcbgndpour.png)

and for those who opt not to use ground fill:

(http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac348/euronymous0001/krank/layoutnofill.png)

(http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac348/euronymous0001/krank/pcbnofill.png)

just resize the pnp to proper size

btw, this are from the stock schem, i've added a pad for the lug 3 of the gain pot incase you opt to have it on ground rather than on Vb

now etch some boards and do some solderin'   :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: deadastronaut on May 17, 2011, 01:05:43 PM
@euro: DUDE!.... :icon_eek: nice one!...youve made a lot of people happy today...have a beer!.. :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: euronymous0001 on May 17, 2011, 01:10:48 PM
i've tried this once and failed (using the original schem). im on my second attempt using board version #16 IIRC ;D

just that i can't seem to have the time to start solderin' those damn components  :icon_mrgreen:

so etch some boards and report back so we could verify this one :icon_twisted:

btw, thanks for the beer!  ;D

Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: euronymous0001 on May 17, 2011, 01:20:21 PM
this thread would be inactive for sometime since all those who are following this would be busy solderin'  ;D
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: audioguy on May 17, 2011, 01:25:20 PM
awesome!!!! I'll take a shot at it this week!
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: Maik on May 17, 2011, 02:12:58 PM
2 beers from me. Thanks a lot dude  :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: euronymous0001 on May 17, 2011, 02:27:45 PM
i forgot, i used BS170 for the MOSFETS on the layout, so they need to be oriented as BS170 and not as 2N7000 :icon_mrgreen:
crosscheck with the datasheet of your BS170 and the schem to avoid misorientation of your MOSFETS ;)
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: Maik on May 17, 2011, 02:30:56 PM
witch layout did you use? The first one or the "final"?
sorry dude, sometimes I´m just too excited...stock version... ;D
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: euronymous0001 on May 17, 2011, 07:28:01 PM
Quote from: Maik on May 17, 2011, 02:30:56 PM
witch layout did you use? The first one or the "final"?
sorry dude, sometimes I´m just too excited...stock version... ;D

the two layouts above are the same except one has ground pour. i think you meant to ask if the schem i used was the stock or the brymus version.

the layouts are based from the stock version. these are the deviations from the stock scheme:

Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: askwho69 on May 18, 2011, 10:55:10 AM
WOW!!! if your done you will have a bottle of Tanduay Rhum! :D with this chick!
(http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/9444/halilical20072ie8.jpg) :icon_lol:



Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: deadastronaut on May 18, 2011, 11:01:01 AM
Oi!...thats my wife!.. :icon_eek:....


i wish..;D
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: Maik on May 18, 2011, 03:44:26 PM
mom??....mom?.....MOM! what are you doing here? ;D
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: askwho69 on May 19, 2011, 12:30:55 AM
hahahahaha  :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: euronymous0001 on May 19, 2011, 10:49:37 AM
bump  ???
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: euronymous0001 on May 23, 2011, 05:52:47 AM
 ???
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: deadastronaut on May 23, 2011, 05:58:50 AM
 ??? ???
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: audioguy on May 23, 2011, 07:06:45 AM
You gotta give us some time to build it! hahaha
My printer ran out of toner- so I couldn't etch this weekend... sad for me. 
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: euronymous0001 on May 23, 2011, 09:41:50 AM
Quote from: audioguy on May 23, 2011, 07:06:45 AM
You gotta give us some time to build it! hahaha
My printer ran out of toner- so I couldn't etch this weekend... sad for me.  

come on, askwho69 asked the chick to drink with the first person to complete the project  :icon_lol:

better buy some toner  

;)
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: deadastronaut on May 23, 2011, 09:46:28 AM
yeah come on...i want to watch!... :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: euronymous0001 on May 23, 2011, 09:51:53 AM
ok i confess, i made my second attempt on this beast and finished it 2 days ago
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: deadastronaut on May 23, 2011, 09:53:56 AM
Quote from: euronymous0001 on May 23, 2011, 09:51:53 AM
ok i confess, i made my second attempt on this beast and finished it 2 days ago

soundclips man!...soundclips!....and then you can have a beer with her!... :icon_mrgreen:

and i can watch... :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: euronymous0001 on May 23, 2011, 10:04:51 AM
Quote from: deadastronaut on May 23, 2011, 09:53:56 AM
Quote from: euronymous0001 on May 23, 2011, 09:51:53 AM
ok i confess, i made my second attempt on this beast and finished it 2 days ago

soundclips man!...soundclips!....and then you can have a beer with her!... :icon_mrgreen:

and i can watch... :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:

its a complete utter failure  :icon_evil:
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: deadastronaut on May 23, 2011, 10:06:51 AM
Quote from: euronymous0001 on May 23, 2011, 10:04:51 AM
Quote from: deadastronaut on May 23, 2011, 09:53:56 AM
Quote from: euronymous0001 on May 23, 2011, 09:51:53 AM
ok i confess, i made my second attempt on this beast and finished it 2 days ago

soundclips man!...soundclips!....and then you can have a beer with her!... :icon_mrgreen:

and i can watch... :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:

its a complete utter failure  :icon_evil:

wtf? happened?..
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: euronymous0001 on May 23, 2011, 10:19:25 AM
Quote from: deadastronaut on May 23, 2011, 10:06:51 AM
Quote from: euronymous0001 on May 23, 2011, 10:04:51 AM
Quote from: deadastronaut on May 23, 2011, 09:53:56 AM
Quote from: euronymous0001 on May 23, 2011, 09:51:53 AM
ok i confess, i made my second attempt on this beast and finished it 2 days ago

soundclips man!...soundclips!....and then you can have a beer with her!... :icon_mrgreen:

and i can watch... :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:

its a complete utter failure  :icon_evil:

wtf? happened?..

i really have idea, debugged it till today and decided to junk the whole project  :icon_evil:

me thinks that my next project with your 2 knobber dist with 386  :icon_wink:
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: deadastronaut on May 23, 2011, 10:22:48 AM
thats a shame man....... :-\

oh well, no beer with the hot chick then!... :P
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: askwho69 on May 23, 2011, 10:32:47 AM
Quote from: deadastronaut on May 23, 2011, 10:22:48 AM
thats a shame man....... :-\

oh well, no beer with the hot chick then!... :P

+1 :(
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: euronymous0001 on May 23, 2011, 10:34:51 AM
 :icon_evil: :icon_evil: :icon_evil:
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: audioguy on May 23, 2011, 10:42:49 AM
So the layouts are no good, huh? Bummer... but glad I didnt etch any.
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: deadastronaut on May 23, 2011, 10:55:45 AM
+ :'(
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: euronymous0001 on May 23, 2011, 02:37:56 PM
Quote from: audioguy on May 23, 2011, 10:42:49 AM
So the layouts are no good, huh? Bummer... but glad I didnt etch any.


the layouts are from the schem posted at the original site. the layout match the original schem 100%
might be my soldering skill need more improvement, i might have burnt some of the fets  :icon_mrgreen:

i'll find the schem and post it also, the original eagle files were lost, but i  manage to export the schem together with the layout
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: euronymous0001 on May 23, 2011, 03:16:26 PM
(http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac348/euronymous0001/krank/schem.png)
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: Maik on May 23, 2011, 03:19:09 PM
ups, I echt it 5 min ago. Glad I didn´t solder the parts in...

Don´t stop it now man!!! Wanna have  ;D
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: audioguy on May 24, 2011, 11:23:21 AM
Quote from: Maik on May 23, 2011, 03:19:09 PM
ups, I echt it 5 min ago. Glad I didn´t solder the parts in...

Don´t stop it now man!!! Wanna have  ;D
Maybe you should populate it to verify the findings so far...
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: caspercody on May 24, 2011, 11:36:59 AM
I created some layouts in Eagle for the earlier Russian designs, and looks like with some modifications to the Eagle layouts you might be able to get a layout for the Krank. If anyone wants to try this, please send me a PM with your email address and I will send the Eagle files to you.
Title: Re: Krankenstien FET version from GT labs
Post by: audioguy on May 24, 2011, 12:15:29 PM
Quote from: caspercody on May 24, 2011, 11:36:59 AM
I created some layouts in Eagle for the earlier Russian designs, and looks like with some modifications to the Eagle layouts you might be able to get a layout for the Krank. If anyone wants to try this, please send me a PM with your email address and I will send the Eagle files to you.
If those designs are verified I can give it a shot... see what happens. I'll PM you.