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JebemMajke

Re: which diy bass preamp?..
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2013, 12:13:55 PM »
Um, tonestack should be similar to the marshall one from duncan tone stack. Different values though. That should fix your mid pot issue.
You can add another stage to make it distort. Or you can use both preamps in one box and than run one into another. Also if you want more dirt use 2sk117's.

PCB layout would rock, especially both preamps on one pcb. I'm still learning how to use eagle's pcb part.
« Last Edit: March 18, 2013, 12:47:42 PM by JebemMajke »

deadastronaut

Re: which diy bass preamp?..
« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2013, 02:27:55 PM »
gotcha!..i'll try some other fets in there....experimenting time.. 8)

i only use diylc, but i'll be able to knock up a 1590b for this mutha no probs. ;)

man , i can't stop playing my bass now....its just so nice to hear my bass properly..even my tone controls on the bass are have come into fruition...wish i'd looked into bass preamps before...brilliant!.. 8)
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EATyourGuitar

Re: which diy bass preamp?..
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2013, 02:45:17 PM »
CMOS opamps can get really close to the rails no problem. there are lots of CMOS opamp products that are new with excellent specs. maybe now is a good time to design something around one of these new parts? as a bonus, it will probably be really good on low power/long life battery operation. has anyone thought about a small signal transformer to attenuate and balance the input?
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JebemMajke

Re: which diy bass preamp?..
« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2013, 07:27:36 PM »
gotcha!..i'll try some other fets in there....experimenting time.. 8)

i only use diylc, but i'll be able to knock up a 1590b for this mutha no probs. ;)

man , i can't stop playing my bass now....its just so nice to hear my bass properly..even my tone controls on the bass are have come into fruition...wish i'd looked into bass preamps before...brilliant!.. 8)
I know, i couldn;t make myself to turn it off when I;ve first built one. I've even sold my old yamaha tbx 170 with three years old strings thanks to this preamp. Guy loved the tone. And he didn't believe that tone came from this little preamp :).
You can add some silicon diodes sym and asym clipping. That would add some dirt. Even lowering values of R 5 and 4 would introduce some dirt.

J0K3RX

Re: which diy bass preamp?..
« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2013, 09:26:05 PM »
This is really cool!

Rob, did you get the tone stack sorted yet?

Edit: Hey Rob, I found this Alembic F2B schematic and layout... Looks a lot like the bassman, no? Maybe some subtle differences...

« Last Edit: March 19, 2013, 12:25:41 AM by J0K3RX »
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deadastronaut

Re: which diy bass preamp?..
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2013, 04:36:09 AM »
@jebem:  cliipping diodes of course....i'll slap myself now. :)...my bass strings are the same ones on it since i bought it years ago...ive boiled them a few times ;D, but they sound great on this for old strings. :icon_cool:

BASS:  I love how this preamp has  'compression' to it too, without it my bass is all over the place level wise and just feels 'flabby'...but when this is on it tightens it up and i can whack the hell out of it

with no massive peaks n troughs...superb.

heres a clip of my lame ass bass without preamp, then with...and my lame ass playing.. ::)

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7464107/bass.mp3

now.....

GUITAR: man, out of curiosity, i stuck my guitar in it, sounds really nice and full..

but get this....i stuck my distortion (spitfire v3) into it....DI then mixer...

and @#$%ING HELL FIRE it kicks some serious thrashy , chunky as hell butt..

its like an AMP and CAB SIM all in one...totally awesome.

here's  a rough as hell  clip up of the difference between bypass and on....you'll be shocked...i was,. :icon_twisted:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7464107/guitarbass%20preamp%201.mp3


jim: you gotta try this man...you'll love it!!!..\m/ :icon_twisted:\m/

(yep looks the same-ish to me, cool) 8)


anyway, i was thinking last night, due to the excellent sound of both guitar and bass...i fancy it'll be great , and ideal to have a nice ALL IN ONE bass/guitar preamp..

might just be a case of cap switching....might not, but definately worth investigating...., a very happy bunny....i'm on it today.


is there a guitar version of this?...so we can splice the 2..? :icon_idea:

or what values would make it ideal for guitar?....

« Last Edit: March 19, 2013, 05:01:41 AM by deadastronaut »
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deadastronaut

Re: which diy bass preamp?..
« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2013, 08:27:26 AM »
i just got my bat85's...didn't seem to make any noticable difference with or without..hmmm..
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JebemMajke

Re: which diy bass preamp?..
« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2013, 09:04:19 AM »
In my opinion definition is better with bat's but you know, it's up to you weather you use them or not.
I use it both for guitar and bass. And i love to stack them or to run my supercollider clone into them ... damn isntant doom/sludge sound.

JebemMajke

Re: which diy bass preamp?..
« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2013, 09:08:56 AM »
This is really cool!

Rob, did you get the tone stack sorted yet?

Edit: Hey Rob, I found this Alembic F2B schematic and layout... Looks a lot like the bassman, no? Maybe some subtle differences...


Ofc it looks a lot like bassman. Alembic f2b is based on fender bassman preamp. I just like to use that extra deep switch on it. And tonestack is scaled on mine.

deadastronaut

Re: which diy bass preamp?..
« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2013, 10:20:37 AM »
look ok?....not sure of that switch though?..
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JebemMajke

Re: which diy bass preamp?..
« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2013, 12:01:44 PM »
Ps i my suggestion is to use log for bass and maybe even for treble. SW is fine.

deadastronaut

Re: which diy bass preamp?..
« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2013, 01:10:51 PM »
cool, cheers jebem..

one thing i can't get to work on breadboard is that switch...

the C5 coming off C4...Has a 100k to ground, when i lift the 100k from ground , its no different....hmmm

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JebemMajke

Re: which diy bass preamp?..
« Reply #32 on: March 19, 2013, 01:40:39 PM »
I should change my username. I would like to use my real name. I can't get used to you calling me Jebem :).

That tonestack was nicked from bassman 135. Especially the deep/fat switch.


deadastronaut

Re: which diy bass preamp?..
« Reply #33 on: March 19, 2013, 01:49:39 PM »
misa then?. ;D

so the switch is the same as this...


btw i stuck a 680k after the 1M pot (which is now 100k pot) , as it was way too loud...just didn't want to blow my jbl's.. :D
« Last Edit: March 19, 2013, 02:04:11 PM by deadastronaut »
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JebemMajke

Re: which diy bass preamp?..
« Reply #34 on: March 19, 2013, 02:08:07 PM »
misa then?. ;D

so the switch is the same as this...


btw i stuck a 680k after the 1M pot (which is now 100k pot) , as it was way too loud...just didn't want to blow my jbl's.. :D
Yes, Misa :)
It is loud as @#$%. I loved that about it.
yes that's the way to wire sw. Like i said i'm new to eagle and I make mistakes. Sorry for the confusing schem :)

J0K3RX

Re: which diy bass preamp?..
« Reply #35 on: March 19, 2013, 06:15:31 PM »
So Rob, what would make this a good guitar clean channel? How is the tone stack?
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deadastronaut

Re: which diy bass preamp?..
« Reply #36 on: March 20, 2013, 05:45:13 AM »
@misa,   so what does jebem mean?...i'm curious now ;D

@jim:  the bass and treble are fine,plenty of bass,  the mid is a little weak but is there, ...still can't get that switch to do anything as yet though. ::).,

i have my family coming up for a few days, then my anniversary at weekend, so i'm gona be too busy to crack on with this till sunday probably... ::)

my old bass player is also going to try this out on breadboard  too...be interesting to see what he comes up with, he knows his shit much more than i do...and plays bass for real. :icon_twisted:

as for being a guitar channel, i'll swap caps in the tonestack to be more 'marshall' 'fender' values and see how i get on....thats the general idea anyway...
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JebemMajke

Re: which diy bass preamp?..
« Reply #37 on: March 20, 2013, 07:04:40 AM »
Well my whole nickname means motherf***er, and it wasn't supposed to be offending as it sounds. I am a big Frank Zappa fan :D. But Jebem on it's own is a verb, when translated to English it means "I f**k". For it to be just "F**k", one must say "Jebati" instead of Jebem. :) There you go a short class in Serbian dirty words :)
If you want more mids ( which I didn't want ) you should use marshallesque type of tonestack and/or bandaxall one. Because fenders tonestacks are deprived of mids. This tonestack is scaled. Hence those big and low values.

I don't understand how the sw isn't doing anything. You should have massive bass boost with it. You are sure that you've wired it to ground, and that mid pot is wired to ground as well?

deadastronaut

Re: which diy bass preamp?..
« Reply #38 on: March 20, 2013, 07:14:53 AM »
ha ha ha...no wonder you was getting p....ed off  with me...  that's funny... ;D

that'll teach ya for using naughty usernames... ;D :D ;)

anyway..

yeah the stack as it is is great for bass anyway..does me fine, i'll have a poke around if i get time , and sort that sw out...i like the idea of a bass boost, even though its nice as it is for bass...just a good option to have too eh. 8)

then i'll have a tnker with the stack to see if i can come up with a guitar/bass stack-ish.. 8)

cheers jebem...erm.... misa.    rob. ;)

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JebemMajke

Re: which diy bass preamp?..
« Reply #39 on: March 20, 2013, 10:28:26 AM »
 ;D
Cheers
How about that Sunn emulation? The first one? Which one do you like better?