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Ibanez Standard Fuzz No.59
« on: July 07, 2017, 12:00:22 PM »
Does anyone have a PCB transfer image of the original units? There's lots of clone boards around, but Google is coming up empty on the original board layout. I'm thinking of trying my hand at etching, and I'd like to start with this one.

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Re: Ibanez Standard Fuzz No.59
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2017, 12:32:02 PM »
#59 of what?

Personally, I like the Roland Double Beat more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6cQq3FTIiU
It uses several different filters of the basic fuzz to derive a few very different tones and characters.  On mine I opted for a 6-position rotary switch to add 3 more than the basic 3.  Even without the wah, it's  a whole heap of fun.

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Re: Ibanez Standard Fuzz No.59
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2017, 01:01:39 PM »


Maybe the 59th attempt to make a marketable fuzz? I dunno.  :icon_rolleyes:
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Re: Ibanez Standard Fuzz No.59
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2017, 02:55:58 PM »
Does it have to be an original board layout? If the schematic is available, could someone make a new layout of that? You said there are clones already, is something wrong with them?. Are you just trying to create something as close to the original as possible? Sorry, I'm just trying to see where you're going with this or if I am misunderstanding something.

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Re: Ibanez Standard Fuzz No.59
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2017, 04:08:37 PM »
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Re: Ibanez Standard Fuzz No.59
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2017, 04:38:57 PM »
Not to derail this thread, but Mark, never heard of the Double Beat and I am in love  :icon_twisted:. Found this for anyone else interested:

http://apocalypseaudio.blogspot.com/2008/12/double-beat-schematic.html
http://apocalypseaudio.blogspot.com/search?q=double+beat

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Re: Ibanez Standard Fuzz No.59
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2017, 04:54:19 PM »
Does it have to be an original board layout? If the schematic is available, could someone make a new layout of that? You said there are clones already, is something wrong with them?. Are you just trying to create something as close to the original as possible? Sorry, I'm just trying to see where you're going with this or if I am misunderstanding something.

No misunderstanding. I would like the original board layout. I'm keen on making a clone that mimics the original form. As for the components, I already have 2SK30's and 2SC828's from that era.

"Standard Fuzz" layout (is it the 59?)  http://tagboardeffects.blogspot.com/2013/12/ibanez-standard-fuzz.html

Schematic for 59 to compare to:  https://www.tonehome.de/ibanez/first-series/no-59-standard-fuzz/

Bingo! Now, if I could just find a picture of the backside of the board! :icon_evil:

Not to derail this thread, but Mark, never heard of the Double Beat and I am in love  :icon_twisted:. Found this for anyone else interested:

http://apocalypseaudio.blogspot.com/2008/12/double-beat-schematic.html
http://apocalypseaudio.blogspot.com/search?q=double+beat

I've been around here for a while. You and Dgi2t are legendary in my books. Thanks for all you guys contribute!

Yeah... you know, I can dig the Double Beat, but to date, I've always been able to combine a fuzz (or two) and a wah to get what a Double Beat can dish out. I can't see wasting a wah shell on a build like that.

And thanks! I do what I can, for a great cause, and a great forum. The only thing I'm more faithful to than this forum is my marriage. :icon_lol: Mark told me at a recent pedal show in Montreal that he will be retiring soon, so I think he should be hitting 40000 posts in short order in the near future.
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Re: Ibanez Standard Fuzz No.59
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2017, 08:23:59 PM »
When I hit 25k, Dino, I'll have to throw some kind of shindig.  But something on the down-low so my wife won't know.  Otherwise, she'll say "25 thousand posts?  That's what you were wasting all that time on, when the ceiling in the kitchen needs repairing and the patio stones are all wobbly?" :icon_redface:

I think the Double Beat fuzz section is great, with or without an accompanying wah.  I intend to "waste" a 1590B on one.  And, as noted, you don't have to restrict yourself to the three "personalities" shown.  For instance, midscoops, different "thick" settings, and so on. 

The 330k is full bandwidth.  The 150k/250pf is a thin reedy sound that lops off the bottom and adjusts level to compensate.  The 150k/6n8/6n8 network yields a smoother sound by lopping the top and some of the bottom.  Okay, what about 220k with 3300pf to ground? What about 220k and a diode pair to ground?  and so on.  The possibilities are endless.  Think of them like 6 favourite EQ presets.

I made one for this 12-distortions-in-one rack unit that still needs some finishing touches (or else I'd demo it), and quite like it.  If I hadn't packed in the mods on the perfed board so tightly, I'd reach over right now and read off what they are.  But suffice to say, I can see a Ge diode pair in there.

The only caution I would offer is that, since some of the suggested or implied filters could involve components tied to ground, it's probably best to use a double-pole rotary switch to select personalities, so that only the components from the personality selected are in circuit.

Now, if you want to plug that into your favourite Cry Baby, you're cooking with gas.

And J, you will always be jmascis in my books, and no wannabe.  :icon_biggrin:

My own apologies for derailing.  Just trying to put a bigger smile on your face, Dino.


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Re: Ibanez Standard Fuzz No.59
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2017, 06:49:48 PM »
Ive got a Marlboro fuzz that looks like a rebranded standard if thats any use I could take some photos?

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Re: Ibanez Standard Fuzz No.59
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2017, 08:33:24 PM »
Ive got a Marlboro fuzz that looks like a rebranded standard if thats any use I could take some photos?

YES!!!! As you state, it's just a rebranded enclosure, but the board and circuit are the same.

If you could take some pics of both sides of the board, it would be greatly appreciated. Also, if you could give me accurate dimensions of the board, that would be excellent as well. It will help me scale the board properly.

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Re: Ibanez Standard Fuzz No.59
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2017, 07:56:17 AM »
Best I can tell from the schematic, it's part for part the same as a Univox Super Fuzz, but in a different box/layout.
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Re: Ibanez Standard Fuzz No.59
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2017, 04:11:29 PM »
Best I can tell from the schematic, it's part for part the same as a Univox Super Fuzz, but in a different box/layout.

No, the first stage is different. I uses a JFET for the first stage instead of two transistors;

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Re: Ibanez Standard Fuzz No.59
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2017, 04:51:41 PM »
I've lost count of the number of pedals that are 95% of a Superfuzz with a front end that is eeeeeevvvvvvvver so slightly different.

For me, the big difference between the two units shown is going to lie in the tone shaping.  The midscoop filters are different, which, in the absence of variable controls, and use of tonal presets, is going to yield something different.  Note the 3300pf cap in the scoop filter, nstead of 1000pf and .022uf as the default (we should call it the "Trump filter", because it's TWO scoops! - sorry, couldn't resist).

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Re: Ibanez Standard Fuzz No.59
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2017, 04:59:39 PM »
(we should call it the "Trump filter", because it's TWO scoops! - sorry, couldn't resist).

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