Do you normally use Vero or Perf, or do you order Pedal specific PCBs

Started by GreySuits, June 10, 2019, 02:59:13 AM

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amptramp

The prototyping board Derringer uses has side traces with five holes rather than the three holes in the one I showed.  You can get anything from three to five holes on each side trace and the more, the better usually.  You can always jumper to another set of holes and this is what I often do.  The one I showed was from Sayal but they have a number of different designs as do other vendors.

Ben N

Quote from: Mark Hammer on June 10, 2019, 10:18:12 AM
Sidenote, Tayda has recently started carrying a proto-board designed to provide all the relevant pads for an effect built into a 1590B enclosure.  It's a little pricey, and makes a number of assumptions about your layout, but provides a number of conveniences.  https://www.taydaelectronics.com/new-arrivals/protoboard-for-1590b-diy-pcb-guitar-effect.html
Pricey indeed! Tayda's double sided prototyping board (i.e. perf) in similar sizes (on which you can do pretty much the exact same thing, albeit with a bit of cutting) is under $1.50 a piece.
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strungout

Me, after the breadboard to see if I like it, it's on to perfboard. Cheapest/less complicated way for me. I make my own layouts 95% of the time. Sometimes I'll adapt one to perf. I've bought pcbs for more complex stuff I thought were out of my skill range, or if the circuit is highly succeptible to noise. I used to draw my layout by hand, now I use DIY Layout Creator: http://diy-fever.com/software/diylc/

Perfboard is where all those years playing Tetris come in handy. Except now, every piece is attached to at least one other... fun! Generally, you can get perf down to a compact size. The connections are easy to follow. You use the leads of components as traces, so you'll have leads that won't go far enough and have to use lead cut-offs to bridge two connection points. The main concern, though, would be how your layout is going to affect noise, as I've learned. Keep the noisy stuff (like LFOs) away from the in and out.

But they all have strong points and drawbacks. Try em. See for yourself.
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anotherjim

Perf is my favourite. Everytime I've built from a pcb I've had frustration if I wanted to do mods, especially the fancy ones with multilayers or big ground pours. Designing a one-off pcb isn't going to happen because it's so much extra work and has to be pretty much right first time.
Perf has to be my favourite. I don't even ever draw the layout, just go by experience. I used to use component leads for traces, but that gets messy if you need to change things. Instead, I strip Kynar wire-wrap for the traces, it's thin enough to go along the pads leaving the hole clear for the component legs and it doesn't need pre-tinning.

cloudscapes

I design my own completely from scratch. Used to etch them myself too, but I need solder masks and double sided boards so I just send them off to oshpark and wait a couple weeks. Plus I dont want to play with chemicals anymore.
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MrStab

for one-offs, vero. tried perf a few times lately and kinda liked it for layout, though. just no need to go to the effort of making a PCB for that, imo, unless you wanna do a few of them.
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amptramp

There is one board structure that no one has mentioned so far: X-Y board.  This is a version of perfboard that has straight copper traces on both sides, one side in the X direction and the other orthogonal to it in the Y direction.  We used to have one designer who prototyped with it exclusively and never needed to add jumpers of any sort.  I don't know if anyone makes it anymore but if they do, some brave soul should step up and use it.  I don't know if anyone still makes it, but it was interesting while it lasted.

Rixen

I went looking for X-Y board, found this:
https://the-perf-shop.myshopify.com/collections/frontpage/products/perf-board

which was the product of a successful kickstarter campaign.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/658903329/perf-the-perfboard-reinvented/description

It has rows of tracks, x on one layer, y on the other with rows of pads seperated from the tracks by a small solder-bridgable gap

MaxPower

Always used perf. Being a cheapskate I'm not too interested in learning to make pcbs especially since I'm not in the habit of making multiple copies of the same circuit (except variations on the BMP). Never liked vero but I've ordered some to see if it makes working with multi-IC circuits easier.
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garcho

QuoteI went looking for X-Y board, found this:
https://the-perf-shop.myshopify.com/collections/frontpage/products/perf-board

which was the product of a successful kickstarter campaign.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/658903329/perf-the-perfboard-reinvented/description

It has rows of tracks, x on one layer, y on the other with rows of pads seperated from the tracks by a small solder-bridgable gap

nice
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Ben N

I use RTS pcbs and perf. Never got my head around vero, and now that most RTS boards are plated through, I can't see the point of etching my own, at least for things for which RTS is available, which is a lot and growing.
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