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Eb7+9

jFET DOUBLER (redux) ... with full set of training wheels
« on: October 22, 2020, 11:59:06 PM »
Was curious to see why his thing wasn't kicking over for some folks ... in reading the comments, many of the right observations were present

I think that (i) the (output) gain block is in the wrong place, (ii) a one-sided training wheel won't fix things if the stronger device is on the wrong side ... it needed a very large input (or a booster pedal preceding it) depending on devices used ...

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the following arrangement should solve these issues, making it easier to build ... while also make it work better as a stand-alone guitar FX ...



https://viva-analog.com/jfet-doubler-redux-jcmc2020/

should generate a not-too-fizzy up-Octave sound ...
« Last Edit: October 29, 2020, 11:19:25 PM by R.G. »

Steben

Re: jFET DOUBLER (redux) ... with full set of training wheels
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2020, 05:27:11 AM »
The idea of using a misbiased class a stage made me think of bjts as well, but this did not lead to any satisfying results.
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iainpunk

Re: jFET DOUBLER (redux) ... with full set of training wheels
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2020, 08:26:43 AM »
i have tried Keen's jfet doubler and after a lot of tweaking to get the octave i threw it off my breadboard to do something else with my time, it was a good fuzz but i couldn't get the octave working right back then i think it also was because i had unmatched jfets. ill try this one out when i have another available breadboard (all 3 are filled up at the moment).

a misbiased class a stage
i believe that's called class C

cheers, Iain
why use drugs when you can just hold your breath for like a minute and then stand up from your seat really quickly.

Steben

Re: jFET DOUBLER (redux) ... with full set of training wheels
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2020, 10:16:21 AM »
i believe that's called class C

cheers, Iain

True that 😂
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daeg

Re: jFET DOUBLER (redux) ... with full set of training wheels
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2020, 12:34:10 PM »
Very exciting. Is it so sensitive that we'll need multi-turn trim-pots?

iainpunk

Re: jFET DOUBLER (redux) ... with full set of training wheels
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2020, 05:28:47 PM »
Very exciting. Is it so sensitive that we'll need multi-turn trim-pots?
no, the volume of the signal gets balanced, not the bias point, there is no DC on the pots. and the rest is all self biasing
why use drugs when you can just hold your breath for like a minute and then stand up from your seat really quickly.

R.G.

Re: jFET DOUBLER (redux) ... with full set of training wheels
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2020, 11:10:22 PM »
Good to see you're actually tinkering, not only casting aspersions. I notice you can't quite stop criticizing, though. You need to work on that.

There are several ways to run this thing. The point is, however, to bring up the native nonlinearities of the JFET, not the clipping behaviour. Nor any attempt to fake a full waved rectifier. To that end, you want to keep the JFET in the square-law region, not overdriving it. The phase inverter and opposing JFETs are intended for this purpose.

I suppose I should start sifting through your stuff, looking for "mistakes" I would correct. That would be fun, wouldn't it?
Shall we?

Er, I mean, do you need any help with your stuff? Maybe I can offer some technical advice.  :)
« Last Edit: October 23, 2020, 11:40:22 PM by R.G. »
R.G.

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daeg

Re: jFET DOUBLER (redux) ... with full set of training wheels
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2020, 08:17:16 PM »
Anyone breadboarded it yet?

R.G.

Re: jFET DOUBLER (redux) ... with full set of training wheels
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2020, 08:19:44 PM »
I did several breadboards of things remarkably like that while I was messing with the doubler. They had various things that they did that might be interesting, but the particular variety of interesting wasn't what I was looking for.

I wonder if J.C.  breadboarded it.
R.G.

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