Author Topic: NE5532P based overdrive, forget about TS9!  (Read 1715 times)

Thebrainless

NE5532P based overdrive, forget about TS9!
« on: February 27, 2022, 04:40:26 PM »
Hi guys!
I've created an overdrive using the NE5532P, it came out so good that IMHO it's way better than the classic TS, I've made a video comparison so you can be the judge

I'm planning on selling pedals and other stuff, as soon as possible, ad soon as I got money to invest  :icon_mrgreen:
Let me know your impression on this overdrive, and maybe help me find a name for it  :icon_biggrin:

ElectricDruid

Re: NE5532P based overdrive, forget about TS9!
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2022, 04:51:09 PM »
From that video, what sounds really good is the two pedals together!

Thebrainless

Re: NE5532P based overdrive, forget about TS9!
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2022, 04:52:56 PM »
From that video, what sounds really good is the two pedals together!
😂😂😂😂😂

ElectricDruid

Re: NE5532P based overdrive, forget about TS9!
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2022, 07:39:44 PM »
More seriously, I think your pedal basically sounds just like the TS9. Side by side, they're extremely similar. And the frequency graph you display bears that out, there's almost no difference between them. You need to show a more varied palette of demo sound though too - the chugging riff works surprisingly well given that that's not what the TS9 is known for, but what about some funky rhythm playing, or some blues with a bit of light break-up, or any of ten other things? You know, variety!

You might sell some, but the marketplace for Tubescreamer-style overdrives is pretty totally saturated. What makes yours unique? If it's going to succeed, you need *something* that you do better than anyone else, and then you need to push that angle.


Thebrainless

Re: NE5532P based overdrive, forget about TS9!
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2022, 09:39:10 PM »
More seriously, I think your pedal basically sounds just like the TS9. Side by side, they're extremely similar. And the frequency graph you display bears that out, there's almost no difference between them. You need to show a more varied palette of demo sound though too - the chugging riff works surprisingly well given that that's not what the TS9 is known for, but what about some funky rhythm playing, or some blues with a bit of light break-up, or any of ten other things? You know, variety!

You might sell some, but the marketplace for Tubescreamer-style overdrives is pretty totally saturated. What makes yours unique? If it's going to succeed, you need *something* that you do better than anyone else, and then you need to push that angle.



Don't get fooled by the spectrum analyzer, they look similar just because that's put on the master, you're looking at the end of the chain, I've should made it clear, the 2 pedals can look and sound similar in some settings, but mine is a different beast..
It's not another tube screamer as you can easily tell, the frequency response is totally different, it goes from harsh highs (almost useless) to extreme lows, and that's what makes it unique and useable by both guitars and basses!
I know i need to show way more, that was just a teaser and a comparison playing what I can, I'll have a couple of friends, who are real guitarists, showcasing the whole spectrum of possibilities of this pedal.
Have you watched the whole video? Cause the differences between the two are more than clear, especially towards the end.
Anyway thanks for your comment, I'll for sure make other videos showing all the possibilities of this overdrive!

Thebrainless

Re: NE5532P based overdrive, forget about TS9!
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2022, 09:53:55 AM »


Apparently, even on bass, this thing sounds great!

thomasha

Re: NE5532P based overdrive, forget about TS9!
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2022, 12:46:01 PM »
Is it based on the TS9 circuit, or is it a total different approach, like the klone?
There are a lot of YATS pedals on the market, with just some additional or changed resistors...

I have to agree with ElectricDruid. If you compare your pedal directly to the TS9, even if it sounds different, your subconscious will associate it with the Ts9 sound. Unless it's a total different sounding effect (delay, phaser).

The sound is quite nice, are you using standard tuning?
Most of the pedals that sound good for down tuned stuff, sound different with standard tuning. It would be interesting to see how it sounds when your sound is not as heavy.

If you want to fit the battery in the 1590a box, I would suggest checking this thread:
https://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=64752.80
Some builders have already done it, with the circuit on the side wall of the box and the battery on the other side.

Thebrainless

Re: NE5532P based overdrive, forget about TS9!
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2022, 10:37:17 PM »
Is it based on the TS9 circuit, or is it a total different approach, like the klone?
There are a lot of YATS pedals on the market, with just some additional or changed resistors...

I have to agree with ElectricDruid. If you compare your pedal directly to the TS9, even if it sounds different, your subconscious will associate it with the Ts9 sound. Unless it's a total different sounding effect (delay, phaser).

The sound is quite nice, are you using standard tuning?
Most of the pedals that sound good for down tuned stuff, sound different with standard tuning. It would be interesting to see how it sounds when your sound is not as heavy.

If you want to fit the battery in the 1590a box, I would suggest checking this thread:
https://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=64752.80
Some builders have already done it, with the circuit on the side wall of the box and the battery on the other side.

It's a different approach, it has 2 different gain stages, hence the boost knob and the drive knob, and no level knob. It's soft clipping diodes, like the ts9, but that's all it has in common with it, the TS uses the gain stage with the diodes for the drive control, mine use it for the boost, the TS uses the other stage for the tone, mine for the drive, the tone in mine is passive (big muff style but with different frequencies and without the dips and the bumps), no level knob (I found it useless in this case), if this means that's based on the TS, then even the boss ds1 is based on the TS having a dual opamp and the same knobs as the TS.
I automatically associated it with the ts9 just because I'm not good to label pedals, so to me it's an overdrive, since THE overdrive is the TS, it was easy to compare the 2, but in reality it's more than an overdrive, it has much more gain and the boost can change a lot, so I really don't know how to call it  :icon_mrgreen:
Actually I'm using 7 strings drop A, but on a six strings (no high E string), so it's quite like standard tuning, but I'm not the best guitar player, this pedal needs someone who's capable of various genre and soloing as well, that's why I'll have some friends showcase it for me, so you'll hear all the possibilities this thing has.
I also came to the conclusion to put the pcb on the side, but  I've used a veroboard to build this prototype and didn't bother to measure it first, so it's too big to be put on the side, well, I'll use bigger enclosures for the final products anyway, so no room problems!
Have you listened to how it sounds on bass as well? I don't know each and every effect that's being made, but from what I know I can tell this pedal is something simple still with lots of possibilities, while most of the classic pedals are famous and used for just one thing, one sound that's what made them famous, and that's it, I went for versatility instead, that's why the tone knob has that ridiculous response on the highs but still doesn't add all the harsh and fizzines like other effects do, plus the overall EQ has been thought especially for a use in the studio, so it's kinda already high and low passed to work in a mix, which is something I've never heard in other pedals.
Ok, I'm obviously a little biased, it's my creation, so... but I've received great feedbacks from people who heard it live and tried it on an actual amps, people who knows their pedals told me this sounds great and wanna buy it, so I'm a little pumped about it  :icon_mrgreen:
Anyway, it'd be great if more people here would give me their opinion on this, like you guys already did, I see lots of visits to this thread and lots of plays on the video, but still no comments whatsoever (beside yours here, and one on the guitar video).
Come on, don't be shy!!! :icon_wink:
« Last Edit: March 04, 2022, 09:05:56 AM by Thebrainless »

iainpunk

Re: NE5532P based overdrive, forget about TS9!
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2022, 12:01:31 PM »
idk how it will feel to play IRL, but it sounds like just another overdrive/distortion.
im generally not a fan of the sound (or most overdrives in general). i feel like it has a certain grind to it in an uncomfortable place in the frequency spectrum. its a bit brittle or splashy in its character, and i feel that if the tone is set low enough to filter that out, it also filters out the potential good treble content.

all in all, it has potential, but i would spend a bit more time coaxing that chip into the right ''character'' a bit more. maybe a bit more low passing before it reaches clipping to tame the clipping a bit

also, coming from experience, beware of friends saying they'd buy it, its like your (grand)mother saying your handsome...

cheers and good luck
friendly reminder: all holes are positive and have negative weight, despite not being there.

cheers

Thebrainless

Re: NE5532P based overdrive, forget about TS9!
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2022, 05:05:30 PM »
idk how it will feel to play IRL, but it sounds like just another overdrive/distortion.
im generally not a fan of the sound (or most overdrives in general). i feel like it has a certain grind to it in an uncomfortable place in the frequency spectrum. its a bit brittle or splashy in its character, and i feel that if the tone is set low enough to filter that out, it also filters out the potential good treble content.

all in all, it has potential, but i would spend a bit more time coaxing that chip into the right ''character'' a bit more. maybe a bit more low passing before it reaches clipping to tame the clipping a bit

also, coming from experience, beware of friends saying they'd buy it, its like your (grand)mother saying your handsome...

cheers and good luck

but I AM handsome!!!! :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:
Thanks for the feedback!