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Re: mid-fi clai(not) schematic!
« Reply #80 on: May 08, 2009, 11:45:07 AM »
Yep, Scruffie.

In the early days synths weren't necessarily keyboard controlled. I had the pleasure of seeing John Cage, David Tudor and other early electronic music composer/experimenters many times in conjunction with the Merce Cunningham dance company, where I studied in NY for a couple of years in my 20's. I can't say I liked all of it, but once in a while they would squeeze the most evocative sounds you can imagine out of those wiry boxes!

Rick, I will check out your sounds at home this weekend where I can crank 'em. BTW, I like pics of crappy looking panels with lots of spaghetti hanging off, but that is a personal issue...

Chris

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Re: mid-fi clai(not) schematic!
« Reply #81 on: May 08, 2009, 12:01:13 PM »
Wow i'd love to get an opportunity to see something like that, even a modern day version, I really like using the old technology in music tech but it's horribly frowned upon if you try now it sadly seems... possibly with founded reasons, but a combination of modern and old atleast would be nice but anyway going off topic there, thanks for the comment though.

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Re: mid-fi clai(not) schematic!
« Reply #82 on: May 08, 2009, 01:36:54 PM »
Scruffie,

I tried a Google search for John Cage performances and found several:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=you+tube+john+cage+performance

I think there is still room for alternative electronic, but it won't get you on the radio. Although there are people like NIN who I feel manage both.

Barcode80

Re: mid-fi clai(not) schematic!
« Reply #83 on: May 08, 2009, 05:10:12 PM »
john cage was a hack, and a charlaton.

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Re: mid-fi clai(not) schematic!
« Reply #84 on: May 08, 2009, 05:31:40 PM »
But he is better known world wide than most pedal hackers...Even the ones with really attractive avatars.

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Re: mid-fi clai(not) schematic!
« Reply #85 on: May 08, 2009, 06:40:17 PM »
touche my friend...

:)

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Re: mid-fi clai(not) schematic!
« Reply #86 on: May 08, 2009, 06:59:30 PM »
And you know I'm just being silly since I am also one of those pedal hackers...And I don't even have an avatar!

earthtonesaudio

Re: mid-fi clai(not) schematic!
« Reply #87 on: May 09, 2009, 09:10:40 AM »
I just want to cast my vote for naming these mutant "Clari's" ...I think you should call them Clari(nor), Clari(nand), Clari(xor), etc.

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Re: mid-fi clai(not) schematic!
« Reply #88 on: May 10, 2009, 01:03:59 PM »
Can you clari(fy)? ::)
I know, but the pedal i built does not boost...it just increases volume!
My picture files:
http://www.aronnelson.com/gallery/main.php/v/French+connection/
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Re: mid-fi clai(not) schematic!
« Reply #89 on: May 10, 2009, 03:56:52 PM »
Installed my fuzz lift switch today. Just out of interest, I also breadboarded a stock Clari to see if the envelope still works with the fuzz lift, it doesn't, the LED is nowhere near lighting up, there's just not enough juice. So with a stock Clari with fuzz lift what you get is just single repeats with no mod. Worth adding the fuzz lift though if you add the LFO too, really nice chorus and vibrato, very similar to the soundclips slacker posted for his Echobase in that respect.
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Clari(not) Cubed perf layout
« Reply #90 on: May 10, 2009, 07:26:58 PM »
Here's my suggested layout for what my stock Clari(not) mutated into - the Clari(not)3. The layout is designed to fit into a Hammond enclosure (can't remember it's code) 4.7" L x 3.7" W x 1.34" H. (120mm x 95mm x 35mm). The layout is designed for the enclosure to be 'landscape' as opposed to portrait'.



The value of R8 is pretty important. I chose it so that with the Depth pot at minimum the LFO had no effect. You might have to tweak it upwards or downwards depending on the brightness of your particular LED.

R14 is a pulldown resistor - I'm still checking this one out, so the value is just nominal. It's there to ensure the clean sound is completely clean. I'll confirm the appropriate value later.

EDIT: I guess the Fuzz Lift switch could be a second 3PDT - it would be insane though, as you'd need to drop the volume substantially, unless you used spare pole of the switch to send some of the signal to ground via a carefully chosen resistor. The Fuzz Lift switch could even be replaced by a pot to dial in how much fuzz you want. My Fuzz Lift is an ultra submini toggle - all I had room for, as i did these mods to my existing Clari!

Oops, P1 should be Log (not) Lin!
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Re: mid-fi clai(not) schematic!
« Reply #91 on: May 11, 2009, 01:20:01 PM »
Thanks Rick!

I will definately be putting one of these together. Thanks for posting the layout, and thanks for coming up with this most interesting variation on the circuit. I look forward to any sound files you can post. This will be the chorus pedal I have been looking for!

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Re: mid-fi clai(not) schematic!
« Reply #92 on: May 11, 2009, 02:42:31 PM »
Hey Rick, any chance you could share the diy file? or maybe just make the parts a little more transparent so the connections are more evident? Thanks for your work on this!

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Re: mid-fi clai(not) schematic!
« Reply #93 on: May 11, 2009, 02:59:06 PM »
Hey Rick, any chance you could share the diy file? or maybe just make the parts a little more transparent so the connections are more evident? Thanks for your work on this!

Sure, I'll do a new transparent version of the layout and post it up later. I tried posting the DIY files but it didn't work.

Rick
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Re: mid-fi clai(not) schematic!
« Reply #94 on: May 11, 2009, 05:23:32 PM »
Here ya go:

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Re: mid-fi clai(not) schematic!
« Reply #95 on: May 17, 2009, 09:35:59 AM »
Here's a quick montage/soundclip of a few sounds from my heavily modified Clari(not) Cubed, featuring my now-legendary-much-in-demand-below-average-guitar-style:

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/967492/Clari%28not%29%20Cubed.mp3

The very first chord is clean, no effect.

Signal path:

Squier Telecaster Custom (bridge humbucker)  >  Clari(not) Cubed  >  Roland Bolt 60 watt tube combo  >  Shure SM58  >  Event Echo Gina 24 soundcard  >  Wavelab

No other processing. I rolled off the guitar volume to about 7 for the clean bits.
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Re: mid-fi clai(not) schematic!
« Reply #96 on: May 19, 2009, 05:18:08 AM »
hi,

I intend to build this box and i wonder, what LDR resistance/value should I use? because where I got only LDR 77k..340k@10lux and  LDR 1k5..5k@10lux which one will be the best? If I use 3mm bright white LED will it be OK?

thnx,

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Re: mid-fi clai(not) schematic!
« Reply #98 on: May 19, 2009, 09:42:37 PM »
I just built the Clari(not) using Ckyvicks layout. My new favorite effect. Check it out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dd-oGNmUZI
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Re: mid-fi clai(not) schematic!
« Reply #99 on: May 19, 2009, 11:22:17 PM »
cool!
soundin good!  ;D
just a little fyi!
the name of this pedal is very close to the word "clarinet".
clarinot....as in, its is not a clarinet!