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Re: "Superfly" - submini tube version of Doug H's Firefly
« Reply #600 on: April 05, 2022, 02:08:39 PM »
Yes, my meter was reading absolutely nothing.

Your meter might need power supply, also.. :icon_wink:

More seriously, what do you mean with "nothing"..??
  :icon_lol: It isn't reading a voltage at the power input of the amp. Nowhere on any other part of the circuit either.

'Nothing' is a metaphysical term, as this is science that we're doing, we're dealing in scientific terms. ie what is the voltage? 0V?
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Re: "Superfly" - submini tube version of Doug H's Firefly
« Reply #601 on: April 05, 2022, 09:51:07 PM »
0 volts

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Re: "Superfly" - submini tube version of Doug H's Firefly
« Reply #602 on: April 06, 2022, 06:58:58 AM »
Did you take PS measurement out of circuit or connected to it..??
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Re: "Superfly" - submini tube version of Doug H's Firefly
« Reply #603 on: April 07, 2022, 01:57:39 PM »
First - have you tested your power supply like this ? :





Second - what sort of power jack are you using ?

Is it a plastic center negative standard power jack like this ? :




And if so....have you tested it with no wires attached to it like this ? :



If yes - to all of these - are you sure you have the proper positive/negative connections to the board configured correctly ?


Dan


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Re: "Superfly" - submini tube version of Doug H's Firefly
« Reply #604 on: April 07, 2022, 04:05:16 PM »
My easiest troubleshoot ever--and biggest 'Doh!' moment, was when my dead new pedal turned out to have the polarity protection diode in backwards. No juice, no sound! Easy to spot: if there's 9v north of the diode, but not in the circuit past that point... Luckily I hadn't plugged the wrong power supply into it, or I would have had to fix a lot more than just flipping around a 1N5817.

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Re: "Superfly" - submini tube version of Doug H's Firefly
« Reply #605 on: April 15, 2022, 11:15:50 AM »
Did you take PS measurement out of circuit or connected to it..??

So it turns out the power supply I was using is dead and is just heating up when it's plugged in. I'm waiting on the new one I ordered and I'll give an update after I test with the new one.

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Re: "Superfly" - submini tube version of Doug H's Firefly
« Reply #606 on: April 28, 2022, 12:52:09 PM »
New 12 volt, 500 ma power supply came yesterday. I tested it with my meter and it definitely has an output of 12 volts as advertised. I've been using my multimeter to look at voltages on the board and I'm still getting 0 volts when I test the voltage input of the amp. Could this be a sign that somewhere on the board there's a connection that hasn't been made?

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Re: "Superfly" - submini tube version of Doug H's Firefly
« Reply #607 on: April 28, 2022, 01:00:31 PM »
My easiest troubleshoot ever--and biggest 'Doh!' moment, was when my dead new pedal turned out to have the polarity protection diode in backwards. No juice, no sound! Easy to spot: if there's 9v north of the diode, but not in the circuit past that point... Luckily I hadn't plugged the wrong power supply into it, or I would have had to fix a lot more than just flipping around a 1N5817.

I tested that area but still reading 0v. Thanks for the suggestion though.

jma38

Re: "Superfly" - submini tube version of Doug H's Firefly
« Reply #608 on: April 28, 2022, 01:01:34 PM »
Did you take PS measurement out of circuit or connected to it..??

With the circuit connected to the power supply.

jma38

Re: "Superfly" - submini tube version of Doug H's Firefly
« Reply #609 on: April 28, 2022, 01:27:22 PM »
First - have you tested your power supply like this ? :





Second - what sort of power jack are you using ?

Is it a plastic center negative standard power jack like this ? :



I'm using this one: https://www.taydaelectronics.com/dc-power-jack-2-1mm-x-5-5-mm-round-type-panel-mount-dc-099.html


And if so....have you tested it with no wires attached to it like this ? :



I've tested that and I'm getting 0v coming from the female DC connector. Looks like that has something to do with it. I'm not sure what that problem is though.

If yes - to all of these - are you sure you have the proper positive/negative connections to the board configured correctly ?


Dan

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Re: "Superfly" - submini tube version of Doug H's Firefly
« Reply #610 on: April 28, 2022, 01:44:02 PM »
I'm getting a reading of 12v when testing the female DC connector connected to power and nothing else but when I test it connected to the amps power input wires I get 0v.

jma38

Re: "Superfly" - submini tube version of Doug H's Firefly
« Reply #611 on: April 28, 2022, 03:21:22 PM »
My easiest troubleshoot ever--and biggest 'Doh!' moment, was when my dead new pedal turned out to have the polarity protection diode in backwards. No juice, no sound! Easy to spot: if there's 9v north of the diode, but not in the circuit past that point... Luckily I hadn't plugged the wrong power supply into it, or I would have had to fix a lot more than just flipping around a 1N5817.


I thought this was the right way around to put the rectifier, did I get it backwards?


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Re: "Superfly" - submini tube version of Doug H's Firefly
« Reply #612 on: April 28, 2022, 03:33:44 PM »
What part of the circuit is that?  From time to time it's good to repost whatever schematic you're working from if you can.  Just saying cuz I dropped in and am not sure where you're at based on the page 1 info...
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Re: "Superfly" - submini tube version of Doug H's Firefly
« Reply #613 on: April 28, 2022, 04:16:35 PM »
My easiest troubleshoot ever--and biggest 'Doh!' moment, was when my dead new pedal turned out to have the polarity protection diode in backwards. No juice, no sound! Easy to spot: if there's 9v north of the diode, but not in the circuit past that point... Luckily I hadn't plugged the wrong power supply into it, or I would have had to fix a lot more than just flipping around a 1N5817.


I thought this was the right way around to put the rectifier, did I get it backwards?

I can't look at the schematic right now, and I can't really tell from the pic, but it depends if you have the protection diode wired in series with the circuit or across the power supply. The banded end is the cathode = (-). If it's in series, you want the diode to conduct when you feed it +V, so the unbanded side goes towards the +9v supply. If it's wired between +9v and ground, then normally you don't want it to conduct--you only want it to conduct if the polarity of the power supply is reversed--so the banded side goes to +9v and the unbanded side goes to ground.

GibsonGM

Re: "Superfly" - submini tube version of Doug H's Firefly
« Reply #614 on: April 28, 2022, 05:17:35 PM »
I'd remove it til I got the thing working, personally...I put that in just about last in builds.   If it's got semiconductors, I put them in after verifying correct polarity, before applying power to them...

If the right side of the diode is connected to "+" and the banded side (cathode) to ground, then it's in wrong in terms of protection diode.
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Re: "Superfly" - submini tube version of Doug H's Firefly
« Reply #615 on: April 28, 2022, 05:45:59 PM »
As I see the picture, diode faces to electro cap negative leg..
(an almost short..)
That kind of diode is rated at 1A continous current so a 500mA PS can do no harm to it..
(of course, its output voltage goes deeply down..)

Just lift one diode leg (whichever you like) and repeat measurement.. :icon_wink:

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Re: "Superfly" - submini tube version of Doug H's Firefly
« Reply #616 on: April 28, 2022, 06:36:03 PM »
I'd remove it til I got the thing working, personally...I put that in just about last in builds.   If it's got semiconductors, I put them in after verifying correct polarity, before applying power to them...

If the right side of the diode is connected to "+" and the banded side (cathode) to ground, then it's in wrong in terms of protection diode.

It looks that way judging by the pictures of the original build Rick did:

jma38

Re: "Superfly" - submini tube version of Doug H's Firefly
« Reply #617 on: April 28, 2022, 07:05:45 PM »
The schematic is on page one of this thread, the layout is on page 2. Here's the layout:

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Re: "Superfly" - submini tube version of Doug H's Firefly
« Reply #618 on: April 29, 2022, 03:11:42 AM »
The diode pictured is (well, should be) a UF4004, and is part of the SMPS which generates the HV. Looks to be the right way around.
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Re: "Superfly" - submini tube version of Doug H's Firefly
« Reply #619 on: April 29, 2022, 07:27:57 AM »
^^   Yep, that diagram nailed it - it's the PS, not a protection diode.    Also, that diode NEEDS to be a UF4004 or similar 'fast' diode in order to work.   Sorry if you have already covered this ground...I don't believe a typical Si rectifier diode will do the job.    It's easiest to make this kind of circuit by building the power supply and testing it, then assembling the valve stuff, just my opinion.   

Be aware that is the high voltage switch supply, which can put out 'potentially lethal voltage' within the circuit and at its output...  :icon_eek:  No fingers in there, buddy.
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