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Re: Anybody build their Gristleizer yet, comments on it?
« Reply #340 on: October 12, 2017, 10:00:07 PM »
BetterOffShred's suggestions sound good to me, but regarding your number 2, the "de-tick" cap on the board is connected to the LFO signal going to the FET transistor so that's different from power supply bypass caps.

I think it would be a good idea to put 100n caps from both the positive and negative power pins of the TL072 and TL074, going to ground. You want these caps to be as close as possible physically to the power pins, and with the leads trimmed as short as possible.

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Re: Anybody build their Gristleizer yet, comments on it?
« Reply #341 on: October 12, 2017, 10:14:42 PM »
I tried a 470uf on 4 and 11, no dice.  I'm pretty happy with this the way it is, but I'll try the 100n's. I think the circuit is what it is, and I really enjoy it's overall sound. I've seen some layouts with everything split Into single opamp but reports are that they still tick here and there.

Get those wires as short as possible and shield the in and outs to/from everything, making sure to ground only one end of the shielded cable.

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« Reply #342 on: November 16, 2017, 12:20:50 PM »
Taylor, perhaps this is a question beyond good support but if you have time can you answer or send me where there is some instruction. I just got an oscilloscope and want to use it to tune my Gristleizer. Where do I attach the test lead on the PCB to adjust the shape or is it on the leg of trim trim pot and ground? What about for the offset? Thanks as always for any help. JoeF.

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Re: Anybody build their Gristleizer yet, comments on it?
« Reply #343 on: November 16, 2017, 12:37:02 PM »
For both, you can view the LFO waveform by probing at the center lug of the Depth pot.

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Re: Anybody build their Gristleizer yet, comments on it?
« Reply #344 on: January 03, 2018, 01:01:19 PM »
Hey all. This thread's been great to read through.


I've got everything installed but the only thing I'm getting out of it is a steady click. The click isn't affected by changing the speed, but it does go away if I back off the level all the way. I've confirmed the placement and connection of the ICs, caps, transistors, and diodes. Corrected a mistake on the ac jack. Reflowed a bunch of connections that looked shady. Still, nothing.

I'm wondering what steps I should take next. Does anyone have advice on how to continue debugging? This isn't my first build, but I am a bit rusty for sure.

Thanks!

Bryan

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Re: Anybody build their Gristleizer yet, comments on it?
« Reply #345 on: January 03, 2018, 04:18:28 PM »
Make sure your 4 way rotary is wired correctly, are you certain of your FET's pinout?   I used 2N3819 in mine and it was a different pinout than the advertised for that chip, so I'd recommend testing it with something like a Mega328 if you have one.   What Diodes did you use?  I had a broken diode (glass germanium 1N34A) that gave me hella problems with mine, it looked fine but was cracked.

Also this pedal will make no noise if the bias knob is in certain positions, so tool around with that too.   I ended up putting a 47K resistor on one leg of a B10K and I think a 30K on the other leg, to get a more useful sweep since in all 4 settings the bias knob only has a little window (at 100K) where it did anything.     

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Re: Anybody build their Gristleizer yet, comments on it?
« Reply #346 on: January 03, 2018, 07:19:18 PM »
Thank you. I'll check this. Much appreciated.

Bryan

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Re: Anybody build their Gristleizer yet, comments on it?
« Reply #347 on: February 25, 2018, 05:11:53 PM »
Hello every one ! First post here and also beginner in electronics only 5 pedal builded, but it's just a begining :) (and also a poor english level, sorry for that, hope you'll understand me)
I've build a gristleizer but I'm experiencing some problems: Actually the lfo don't work, not a huge matter to identify that i've to buy a new TL074, but I prefer explain you the problem in case you'll think there is something other wrong. I've got sound bypassed and actived, when I'm on VCF the sound is aggresively filtred high, the level knob is working, that's seems to be nice.. but speed, bias, and depth don't do anything and the LED is on but not flashing (how ever when setting the speed knob at maximum the LED turn's off)
Is that just because of the TL074 that's certainly dead or is there anything else ?

Thanks for you're help, I spend a nice time reading the all thread ! And thank you Taylor for bringing the possibility to build this incredible box !

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Re: Anybody build their Gristleizer yet, comments on it?
« Reply #348 on: February 25, 2018, 09:05:03 PM »
I believe the FET controls the LFO and it's kind of sensitive.   I used a 2N3819 in mine, though I believe lots of people got it working with a J113.. reports of J201's and 5457's working too, but mine only ran on the 3819.  My pinout was different than the board showed too, so make sure that's correct :)

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Re: Anybody build their Gristleizer yet, comments on it?
« Reply #349 on: February 26, 2018, 01:29:32 PM »
Ooh Gristleizer thread!
I've built several Gristleizers, I know this weird old circuit pretty well. I even made a horrendous Vero layout for it here:

https://bluffchilldevices.blogspot.co.uk/2018/01/vero-layout-gristleizer.html

Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flXiQz4Z98w

Can I embed here?

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/flXiQz4Z98w" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

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Re: Anybody build their Gristleizer yet, comments on it?
« Reply #350 on: February 26, 2018, 01:40:06 PM »
I believe the FET controls the LFO and it's kind of sensitive.   I used a 2N3819 in mine, though I believe lots of people got it working with a J113.. reports of J201's and 5457's working too, but mine only ran on the 3819.  My pinout was different than the board showed too, so make sure that's correct :)

Thanks for your answer !
I'm on a 2N3819 too, are they always on a different pinout or is it specific to some of them ? I'm not at home actually so can't try... I ever put it under tension, so if the pinout is different, did I kill my 2N3819 or will it works however ?

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Re: Anybody build their Gristleizer yet, comments on it?
« Reply #351 on: February 26, 2018, 01:45:39 PM »
I honestly don't know, I used the mega328 tester from eBay to determine DSG on the device and then twisted the legs to match the PCB.  I'd highly suggest getting one for just such a occurrence. I can check the pinout on mine when I get home and I'll post an update with a pic.  I'm sure the FET is fine. 

Anspa

Re: Anybody build their Gristleizer yet, comments on it?
« Reply #352 on: March 11, 2018, 06:03:27 PM »
Hi ! I've tested different pinout for the 2N3819, but no result, it (don't) work the same....
Any ideas or suggestion would be welcomed :)
Thanks

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Re: Anybody build their Gristleizer yet, comments on it?
« Reply #353 on: March 12, 2018, 12:07:12 PM »
I totally forgot to check mine!  I'm an ass! sorry.    Well could you post pics of your build?   If the LFO is not working that seems like the culprit but it's difficult to tell if maybe something else is jacked up without pics.    I had a broken Diode in my build (used 1n43A's.. went back to 4148's) and it took me a couple days to figure it out.   
As I posted in my build comments, I had better luck with an LM324 and a TL062, but that's just me personally, and if your LFO isn't operational it wont matter yet anyway.   

So no LED blinky yet?   Did you install that extra cap?   
It's curious that the LED doesn't flash, but goes out when speed pot is turned to max.. are you certain you have the correct size cap in the "Speed set" cap?  I believe it's a 470n in the schematic.. I think I upped mine to an 860n..   If you had a wicked small one in there it might affect the speed, but it sounds like you're not getting any depth at all..   

Pics! :)
-Brett

Anspa

Re: Anybody build their Gristleizer yet, comments on it?
« Reply #354 on: March 13, 2018, 06:58:46 PM »
No problème  :icon_wink:
I've check my diodes, they seems to work well..
I've said a mistake, it's when speed is truned to min that the LED goes out ! I've didn't install the extra cap actually, should I ?
Here the pic, I hope you'll see something !

Thanks for your precious help !





BetterOffShred

Re: Anybody build their Gristleizer yet, comments on it?
« Reply #355 on: March 14, 2018, 12:01:42 AM »
Well the picture isn't too telling.  I would try fiddling with your wave shape and offset trimmers..   It's a hard device to dial in without a scope,  but I did mine by ear and I think it sounds good.   

So I just opened mine up and checked the Jfet, it's definitely a 3819, and my measured pinout is flipped from the pcb labeling.  That is, G is the middle but what I've measured as S goes in G on the board..  worth a try.  I measured another one I had to be sure ..

BetterOffShred

Re: Anybody build their Gristleizer yet, comments on it?
« Reply #356 on: March 14, 2018, 12:30:35 AM »
So it works with it either way  :-\ .. turn depth up to halfway, speed to halfway and then mess with the bias knob until you have sound.. then mess with the shape and offset trimmers. 

Mine also cuts the led off at all the way down speed.. well maybe it's just really slow.  I didn't wait to see. 

Sorry I haven't been much help

Anspa

Re: Anybody build their Gristleizer yet, comments on it?
« Reply #357 on: March 14, 2018, 06:22:55 AM »
Even if we don't find anything, thank for your help/time !
I'm not at home, so i need to check but I do remember that it was "G instead of S" too.
I'll try to fiddle with the trimmers this evening !
Led don't seems to turn off (in my case) because of a very slow speed cause when I'm turning down the pot very slowly, I can really see that the led is turning off progressively ...
Mistery..

Maybe my neighbour put a spell on me to avoid me to play harsh filtering all the night !

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Re: Anybody build their Gristleizer yet, comments on it?
« Reply #358 on: June 07, 2018, 05:46:31 PM »
depending on what version you've built, ymmv but my findings over the last few days of playing with it...

in mine the project specc'd an ic7660 for a charge pump. it whined something fierce. changing it to a max1044 cured the noise and much of the ticking i was getting. also, the lower current supply seemed to really improve the character of the distortion.

if you have symmetry and shape trimmers, they are for primarily the triangle wave... the reverse saw/saw/square wave should all work with pretty much the same settings of the control knobs, but the triangle will not work right. use the shape trimmer to find the best triangle, and use the symmetry pot to find the best setting for it... in my case, i set it so i could switch the waveforms and keep approx the same output. now i can swap between any of the 4 waveforms without having to mess with the bias control constantly.

too high, and the bias will make the circuit seem to do nothing. if ya crank the depth and turn the bias all the way down, ya can get some really nice smooth distortion!

i found lf356 and lm358 chips to sound the best on the oscillator, but either could break into instability and whistle.
so i ended up trying every opamp in my dungeon, and settled on a "stack" of an lm358 on top of an ne5532, seemed to give the best overall performance with the least undesirable noise.

this is almost a repeat percussion more at some setting, which is different from ticking... particularly the sawtooth and square waves by their nature. its supposed to do that.

the depth and bias are pretty interactive.

i plan on eventually adding a buffered blend to it so i can dial in phase shifting better <if ya set it just right you can nail the electric 12 string intro on "wish you were here" by floyd>

thinking about adding an exp pedal input for the bias, but probably overkill

gonna DEFinitely add a "fine" control to the speed pot as the bottom range of the pot is ridiculosly sensitive, and its hard to dial in really slow modulations without making the lfo stall

i also tried germanium transistors in all positions, and found them to make absolutely no difference tonally, so save your time and money if ya decide like i did to try it.

on mine <the 3pdt project from i assume china> the switching is backwards, ie left to right it goes square, tri, neg then pos sawtooth.

what a kewl pedal. when i finished boxing it i started messing with it. next thing i knew the sun was rising. bugger!!!
but there is a LOT you can do with it. like... annoy your neighbor's dog with ultra high frequencies lol

i WOULD like to make the envelope aspect a bit more pronounced, and even better, independant of the lfo?
way above my present paygrade..

anyways.. love the circuit.

now its time to read this whole thread. ;)

rock on fam!
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Re: Anybody build their Gristleizer yet, comments on it?
« Reply #359 on: August 07, 2018, 01:29:48 PM »
Hi everybody !

I have this pedal kit but not possible to find a schematic to solder : DC, 3PDT, Jacks and PCB together...  :( I tried different ways and everytime it didn't work.

Can you help me please.

So I join a picture of my current stuf :



Have a nice day, Anthony.