good moderate and high gain stompbox recommendations pls?

[philbinator1]

pretty much what the subject header says, i'm looking for moderat AND high gain boxes o' dirt to make...i really like having treb, mid and bass controls + of course gain and vol.  any recommendations/links gratefully accepted     bear in mind i'm a novice.  oo and also vero would be great i really like working with that!

the reason?  my Peavey XXX went funny and i could only use the clean channel recently, had to borrow my bassists digitech (yuck) screaming blues pedal for some half-decent grind 

[slacker]

Marshall Guvnor

http://www.aronnelson.com/gallery/main.php/v/cathexis/Veroboard+Layouts/Guvnor/

[differo]

dr boogie and/or bsiab II the later one sounds really nice imo
basically bsiab is my 'main' dist besides ts for bluesy stuff
project/layouts on gaussmarkov.net
good luck!

[philbinator1]

cool thanks!  anyone else?

[Just1More]

I really like the Rat.  Pretty simple circuit, sounds great and there are plenty of mods you can try to tune it to your own personal taste.

[Philippe]

I really like the Rat.  Pretty simple circuit, sounds great and there are plenty of mods you can try to tune it to your own personal taste.

*agreeing* The Proco Rat is pretty versatile...clean/overdrive/full distortion all in one effect.

[differo]

I think rat is good too. I have ibanez fat cat and these are pretty similar I've learned. I forgot to say that in my opinion dr.boogie is nice sounding (ultra) high gain pedal but not so versatile, low gain settings are not so nice sounding. Maybe you should look into sans amp, I just tweaked it a bit yesterday (not yet boxed) and you can get some nice sounds of it everything from a bit cranked amp to some ultra high gain dist. but everyone says that this project is kinda hard to build. I don't know what to say about it, it was a pretty straight build with standard opamps, no debug whatsoever. I had severe problems with other projects that 'should' be much easier.

[deadastronaut]

ID GO WITH THE BOOGIE.........

no offense to anyone on here but the quality of some audio clips are  terrible.......

and the playing!..ha ha  ........so you really dont get much of an idea of what these effects can really do!.........

ive built a few boogies...check em out on my youtube channel...

on f***in up i used my boogie and a morley wah and a bit of delay...no amp just into a mixer....ok hope this gives you a better idea of what the boogie can do!...

rob.

http://www.youtube.com/user/100roberthenry/url]

[differo]

Nice playing there mr.astronaut!
My boogie sounds pretty much the same (direct in/out), nicer on my amp thou. Boogie is a really nice shredder pedal but to my ears a bit too harsh for stuff in between ..
   

[deadastronaut]

Nice playing there mr.astronaut!
My boogie sounds pretty much the same (direct in/out), nicer on my amp thou. Boogie is a really nice shredder pedal but to my ears a bit too harsh for stuff in between ..
   

yeah the boogie needs an amp ....yeah an can be harsh...im experimenting with changing the tone at mo!..
i want it to have more mid control..and less treble..

whats the bsiabII like ?...is it hi gain or more fitting for blues etc..?...

[philbinator1]

So as it stands i'm looking at doing the Dr Boogey for the hard stuff AND the BSIAB2 for the rock.  does anyone have vero layouts for either/both?

cheers!   

[differo]

I doubt bsiab II can reach the same gain levels of boogie, I can get pantera-ish sound with boogie (think cowboys from hell) but not with bsiab II
but then again, the sound of your Jam f****n up - this is how bsiab CAN sound. It's not an overdrive it is a distortion box, higher 80ies dist I would say.

[deadastronaut]

I doubt bsiab II can reach the same gain levels of boogie, I can get pantera-ish sound with boogie (think cowboys from hell) but not with bsiab II
but then again, the sound of your Jam f****n up - this is how bsiab CAN sound. It's not an overdrive it is a distortion box, higher 80ies dist I would say.

cool...might try that...dont suppose you have any idea on the obsidian t and the blackfire do you?...

cant find clips anywhere!...

[philbinator1]

I doubt bsiab II can reach the same gain levels of boogie, I can get pantera-ish sound with boogie (think cowboys from hell) but not with bsiab II
but then again, the sound of your Jam f****n up - this is how bsiab CAN sound. It's not an overdrive it is a distortion box, higher 80ies dist I would say.

i musn't have made myself very clear...i'm not looking at building 2 diff pedals with the same gain.  one for standard rock (think..ummm...fly away by kravitz)
one for harder metal, high gain sounds (metallica etc).  anyone got veros?   

[differo]

I doubt bsiab II can reach the same gain levels of boogie, I can get pantera-ish sound with boogie (think cowboys from hell) but not with bsiab II
but then again, the sound of your Jam f****n up - this is how bsiab CAN sound. It's not an overdrive it is a distortion box, higher 80ies dist I would say.

cool...might try that...dont suppose you have any idea on the obsidian t and the blackfire do you?...

cant find clips anywhere!...

No, unfortunately I haven't tried those yet, was planning to build some of the Aron's designs, and I'll do that when I come back from my visit to the States. If you haven't built sans amp you might try, I think the California & British sets are quite alike boogie. I have a damage control demonizer which sounds really good too, I think I'll open it up and sneak peek if it can be traced that would be nice

[differo]

I doubt bsiab II can reach the same gain levels of boogie, I can get pantera-ish sound with boogie (think cowboys from hell) but not with bsiab II
but then again, the sound of your Jam f****n up - this is how bsiab CAN sound. It's not an overdrive it is a distortion box, higher 80ies dist I would say.

i musn't have made myself very clear...i'm not looking at building 2 diff pedals with the same gain.  one for standard rock (think..ummm...fly away by kravitz)
one for harder metal, high gain sounds (metallica etc).  anyone got veros?   

You CAN play Lenny stuff with boogie, I think it's a bit harder project than bsiab (basically more parts, bigger PCB and some trimpot tweaking) but nothing you can't get to work. On the other hand, you can play metallica stuff with bsiab, hell you can play it with tube screamer but that's not Kirk's sound With drive all the way up, bsiab is pretty tight distortion. The riffs are thick! not as saturated as the boogie can be (remember this is just my experience/ears the best thing is to try find some samples of both and compare)

[philbinator1]

ok i'm gonna go with the bsiab2 so far, the sound of it sounds odd to my ears but i think i like it, gotta try new stuff anyway.

i looked for it vero on here...seems there was some argument over it with the author and others and as a result it's not on
here anymore.  they a post said it was on wampcat's site, indyguitarist..couldn't find it there either...but THEEEEEN i found
a vero for bsiab2 here: http://insonicbloomsfx.livejournal.com/

yay!      but does anyone know if it's verified?  I would love to build the Wampler Pinnacle 2 over the bsiab2 but can't find
anything on that either; not allowed?

[deadastronaut]

ok i'm gonna go with the bsiab2 so far, the sound of it sounds odd to my ears but i think i like it, gotta try new stuff anyway.

i looked for it vero on here...seems there was some argument over it with the author and others and as a result it's not on
here anymore.  they a post said it was on wampcat's site, indyguitarist..couldn't find it there either...but THEEEEEN i found
a vero for bsiab2 here: http://insonicbloomsfx.livejournal.com/

yay!      but does anyone know if it's verified?  I would love to build the Wampler Pinnacle 2 over the bsiab2 but can't find
anything on that either; not allowed?

erm!....the guy seems to have left the tone off it.........only two knobs?..not the usual three!!..

dont know whats going on there!..........

[petemoore]

  This isn't a suggestion...so whether Mbee gets it or not shouldn't matter.
 Has to do with the basic distortion 'engine', such as a DIST+ diode to ground clipper.
 and a prebooster, and a post treble knob or more sophisticated TC arrangement.
 Might even need another post-boost, but I think your amp has that.
 Diddle with all the relevant pieces, mainly being the input cap on the DIST+, it's diode configuration.
 Rat or similar does similar, the closer I close in on the last tidbit of timbre [or the final straws of clean-bleed during Distortion, the closer all the distorters seem to align themselves with one another.
 The level of 'boost' [or how hot the pickups hit the input], the voicing here...the amount of clipping [diode threshold] and voicing?, and then the final voicing being where I like to fiddle, boiling it down to a number of gain/frequency 'ceilings'...into which signal slams or passes under.
 This means breadboard, build a buncha similars, or Perf-Bread [use of sockets and trimpots or regular knobs.
  Many of the suggested circuits are designed to provide more than enough of whatever it is you need, and allow for adjustments to set up for less than that amount, very popular, this path may be the choice you make.

[slacker]

yay!      but does anyone know if it's verified? 

That vero looks like Torchy's which is the one you were talking about that was on indyguitarist so it should be good.

erm!....the guy seems to have left the tone off it.........only two knobs?..not the usual three!!..

The guy's just built it with no tone control, the vero layout includes it.