Author Topic: Etched enclosures  (Read 880833 times)

deadastronaut

Re: Etched enclosures
« Reply #1640 on: January 17, 2015, 12:22:39 PM »
Love that mayan calendar...cool.
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thomasha

Re: Etched enclosures
« Reply #1641 on: January 17, 2015, 02:31:00 PM »
it's for my solstice reverb build,
so i thought the calendar would be a nice hint...

snowman910

Re: Etched enclosures
« Reply #1642 on: January 17, 2015, 09:12:28 PM »
Hello all,

I'm doing my first caustic soda etched enclosure, and printed on laser printer to glossy paper (not photographic and not magazine), ironed per http://diy-guitar-effects.tumblr.com/etching and after well cooled, peeled, and the printed side of the paper remains stuck by the toner to the box, a thin white layer obscuring the toner mask.  I am afraid anything I do to remove the remaining paper will also remove toner, and am wondering whether the caustic soda will eat away the paper and I should just proceed with taping off the edges and sides of the enclosure and the etching of the enclosure, or whether I need to use something else to remove the paper residue.  I did peel an intact sheet of paper from the enclosure, but not the glossy surface of the paper to which the toner was adhered.

Looking to next time, should I not let the enclosure cool fully, to avoid this?

snowman910

psychedelicfish

Re: Etched enclosures
« Reply #1643 on: January 17, 2015, 09:44:32 PM »
Some people soak the enclosure in water after ironing on the toner to help remove the paper. I've only really done a few toner transfers, but after a few minutes soaking in warm water you should be able to rub off the remaining paper with your fingers. If the toner is well stuck on, you can be fairly vigorous with the rubbing before you have to worry about the toner flaking off.
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snowman910

Re: Etched enclosures
« Reply #1644 on: January 18, 2015, 01:19:31 AM »
Thanks, Psychedelic Fish, I'll use this approach tomorrow. 

vigilante397

Re: Etched enclosures
« Reply #1645 on: January 18, 2015, 11:59:11 PM »
I second the wise words of psychedelic fish. I have done many a toner transfer in my day (though I don't pretend by any stretch of imagination to be an expert), and while I never had such problems with things like PNP blue I recently made the switch to magazine paper, and have found that soaking in warm water definitely does the trick.
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lars-musik

Re: Etched enclosures
« Reply #1646 on: January 19, 2015, 07:56:43 AM »
This is my first etch with the toner transfer method  and FeCL3 (40%) as etchant.  I also soaked the enclosure in warm water after cooling and used a washing-up brush to remove the paper. It is crucial to let the whole thing cool down properly after ironing. I took me three attempts to do it right because I wasn't patient enough after ironing and peeled off the still warm toner with the paper twice. Throwing it in cold water didn't help either (I wonder why), so finally I just let it sit for half an hour and the transfer was nearly perfect.
Previously I used photoresist and H2O2 plus HCl but the photoresist wasn't stable enough for deep etches.
This one came out pretty good (although I never really succeed in painting and sanding reverse etches). Next time I'll try less strong FeCl3, because this time the enclosure got quite hot during etching  and subsequently the toner detached.


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hylandren

Re: Etched enclosures
« Reply #1647 on: January 19, 2015, 01:52:09 PM »
snowman910, when I switched to presentation paper (having used PNP before that) I too was afraid of removing the mask when I tried to remove the residue...But as you can see from self destroyer's tutorial, its a lot stronger than you think.
Yes, I have used his aggressive method for removing the paper residue and it worked and left the resist intact. In fact, my etches have improved considerably since switching to his methods:
http://music.codydeschenes.com/?page_id=2035

Hexjibber

Re: Etched enclosures
« Reply #1648 on: January 19, 2015, 05:26:08 PM »
@snowman910

Hey dude, I wrote the tutorial that you referred to, with the paper I use (Polaroid Photo Paper) there is a thin white film over the toner but not in the exposed areas, do you have exposed areas of the box showing through with no white film on, or does the whole thing have a white film?

If you have exposed areas and just white film on the toner parts then you don't need to do anything, just etch away as described in my tutorial. Whenever I do etches I never scrub or even expose the box to water after I've peeled the paper off as it's unnecessary, at least with the paper I mentioned.

Let me know how you get on man!

Brisance

Re: Etched enclosures
« Reply #1649 on: January 20, 2015, 08:38:32 AM »
Why use FeCl3 or Even HCl + H2O2 on aluminium? how about just dilute HCl or even vinegar?

Pettol

Re: Etched enclosures
« Reply #1650 on: January 20, 2015, 11:13:01 AM »
Why use FeCl3 or Even HCl + H2O2 on aluminium? how about just dilute HCl or even vinegar?

H2O2 is an oxidizer needed when etching copper (which is the origin of the etchant). Looking at the Pourbaix diagram for aluminum, I don't think you need it actually. On the other hand the diagram doesn't say anything about kinetics so the HCl might etch a lot slower without.
Vinegar will etch slowly.

But, skip the acids and use I NaOH instead.

Brisance

Re: Etched enclosures
« Reply #1651 on: January 20, 2015, 04:17:23 PM »
Better slow than sorry... or what was the idiom again?

edy_wheazel

Re: Etched enclosures
« Reply #1652 on: January 29, 2015, 01:58:52 PM »
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deadastronaut

Re: Etched enclosures
« Reply #1653 on: January 29, 2015, 02:07:38 PM »
cool... 8)
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die zoone

Re: Etched enclosures
« Reply #1654 on: January 30, 2015, 05:12:57 PM »
I have learned a lot from you guys. it's been almost a year since I started. Thank you for everything! ;D
The semester is finally over so I can start building again. This is an etch for a magnavibe.







Hexjibber

Re: Etched enclosures
« Reply #1655 on: January 31, 2015, 12:56:22 AM »
I have learned a lot from you guys. it's been almost a year since I started. Thank you for everything! ;D
The semester is finally over so I can start building again. This is an etch for a magnavibe.






That is wicked man, love it!

deadastronaut

Re: Etched enclosures
« Reply #1656 on: January 31, 2015, 04:52:56 AM »
Yeah, nice design and clean etch... 8)
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italianguy63

Re: Etched enclosures
« Reply #1657 on: January 31, 2015, 06:49:48 AM »
Nice detail..  It almost looks "sand blasted" in the last pic.   :icon_exclaim:

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Pettol

Re: Etched enclosures
« Reply #1658 on: January 31, 2015, 04:52:47 PM »
Very nice indeed.

snarblinge

Re: Etched enclosures
« Reply #1659 on: February 01, 2015, 02:51:31 AM »
If only my first post were as impressive, or my most recent!

Nice work
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