Author Topic: EM3207 (v1.1) - MN3207 based EHX Electric Mistress (9V) clone  (Read 236831 times)

Thomeeque

 Hi,

 As title says EM3207 is a loose clone of the original 9V EHX Electric Mistress chorus/flanger adapted for MN3207 BBD chip.

 
 
 ( full gallery )
 
 Additionally it features:

  • Unity gain (no volume drop compared to true-bypass) without need of additional amplification,
  • Input RF filter to avoid interferences between internal clock and AM radio rubbish picked from the air,
  • Improved VCC filtering for LFO section to lower danger of LFO ticking leaking into the audio signal via supply tracks.

 More that year ago I did announce this project in 9V Electric Mistress retrofit with MN3007 thread, but it was frozen for four months already at the time I did announce it (it needed some tweaking where I've got stuck and I had to switch myself to something more important for me at the time), but there were few requests recently in the retrofit thread and I had some time for it now, so I did defrost it and gave it try again. I have made some changes and I quite like the result now. Unfortunately I cannot say how close or far it is from the original EM (I don't own original EM nor have access to it), but it's a nice flanger with EM character definitely.
 
 
 ( don't print this schematic, following PDF contains high-quality print version )

 EM3207_v1.1_Build_Instructions.pdf (complete build instructions, *DRAFT1* at this moment)

 Hopefully I'll have a time to make some small audio demo over this weekend.

 More notes may come later, enjoy, T.

« Last Edit: June 03, 2011, 10:32:32 AM by Thomeeque »
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Re: EM3207 (v1.1) - MN3207 based EHX Electric Mistress (9V) clone
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2011, 10:57:24 AM »
Thanks my Friend I have to make this project!!! it's a great pedal!!! I have the mistress with MN3007!!!! it sounds OK!!!

quarara

Re: EM3207 (v1.1) - MN3207 based EHX Electric Mistress (9V) clone
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2011, 11:21:11 AM »
Genius.
« Last Edit: June 03, 2011, 12:02:33 PM by quarara »

StephenGiles

Re: EM3207 (v1.1) - MN3207 based EHX Electric Mistress (9V) clone
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2011, 11:46:26 AM »
Excellent drawings, what is the advantage of having the additional two inverter buffers after the clock?
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Scruffie

Re: EM3207 (v1.1) - MN3207 based EHX Electric Mistress (9V) clone
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2011, 12:53:18 PM »
Cheers Thomeeque! Didn't think you'd go to this much effort, I just wondered if you had a layout :D

Now to get this Through Zero Flanging in a 1590BB... Muwahahahaha... ahem.

StephenGiles

Re: EM3207 (v1.1) - MN3207 based EHX Electric Mistress (9V) clone
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2011, 01:27:54 PM »
Now Mike Irwin did get TZF with just one SAD1024 a few years back but the secret remained his.
"I want my meat burned, like St Joan. Bring me pickles and vicious mustards to pierce the tongue like Cardigan's Lancers.".

Fender3D

Re: EM3207 (v1.1) - MN3207 based EHX Electric Mistress (9V) clone
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2011, 01:58:02 PM »
Now Mike Irwin did get TZF with just one SAD1024 a few years back but the secret remained his.
It shouldn't be an huge secret since SAD1024 is (better was?), actually 2x512 stages, each block with separate clock pins...  :icon_mrgreen:

BTW
great job, Tomas  :icon_cool:
« Last Edit: June 03, 2011, 01:59:51 PM by Fender3D »
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oldschoolanalog

Re: EM3207 (v1.1) - MN3207 based EHX Electric Mistress (9V) clone
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2011, 04:36:10 PM »
OK. Who's going to be the first (not named Tomas) to try & verify?
Sorry, not me this time.
Nice work as always T. :icon_cool:
Now Mike Irwin did get TZF with just one SAD1024 a few years back but the secret remained his.
It shouldn't be an huge secret since SAD1024 is (better was?), actually 2x512 stages, each block with separate clock pins...  :icon_mrgreen:
Proximity of the clock lines to each other might lead to heterodyning issues when using an SAD1024 in such an arrangement. Somebody more knowledgeable might chime in here (hint; Stephen?).

@Luigi: Is everything OK on Sicily? With Mt. Etna erupting and all that...
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quarara

Re: EM3207 (v1.1) - MN3207 based EHX Electric Mistress (9V) clone
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2011, 05:42:24 PM »

@Luigi: Is everything OK on Sicily? With Mt. Etna erupting and all that...

Well, we're used to it! :)
At any rate, these days the volcano is not really erupting, there is just a little bit of smoke coming from the highest craters that doesn't worry us.

oldschoolanalog

Re: EM3207 (v1.1) - MN3207 based EHX Electric Mistress (9V) clone
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2011, 10:03:02 PM »
@Tomas: How does this one compare to the (one of 3 in known existence :icon_lol:) EM1022 you designed a while back?
For those who are wondering what an EM1022 is:
http://thmq.mysteria.cz/em1022/EM1022_Build_Instructions.pdf
Thanks!
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StephenGiles

Re: EM3207 (v1.1) - MN3207 based EHX Electric Mistress (9V) clone
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2011, 09:44:02 AM »
@Tomas: How does this one compare to the (one of 3 in known existence :icon_lol:) EM1022 you designed a while back?
For those who are wondering what an EM1022 is:
http://thmq.mysteria.cz/em1022/EM1022_Build_Instructions.pdf
Thanks!


Well - almost 5 actually, I built a couple of EM 1022s with "bounce" about 10 years ago. They were both the 2 battery circuit with one half of the 4013 used in the LFO. I gave one to my nephew and mine should be  - yes it's on the shelf in front of me!
"I want my meat burned, like St Joan. Bring me pickles and vicious mustards to pierce the tongue like Cardigan's Lancers.".

Thomeeque

Re: EM3207 (v1.1) - MN3207 based EHX Electric Mistress (9V) clone
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2011, 02:13:07 PM »
 Thanks for all the compliments and interest, guys, I really appreciate that :) I'm short of time now, I'll add some comments later.. Cheers, T.
« Last Edit: June 04, 2011, 02:49:10 PM by Thomeeque »
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azrael

Re: EM3207 (v1.1) - MN3207 based EHX Electric Mistress (9V) clone
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2011, 03:42:10 PM »
awesome work! :D

soundclone

Re: EM3207 (v1.1) - MN3207 based EHX Electric Mistress (9V) clone
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2011, 09:53:53 PM »
i want to build this pedal,but i can find all tantalum cap in local store. can i substitute all tantalum cap with electrolyte cap?

oldschoolanalog

Re: EM3207 (v1.1) - MN3207 based EHX Electric Mistress (9V) clone
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2011, 10:12:02 PM »
Yes.
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soundclone

Re: EM3207 (v1.1) - MN3207 based EHX Electric Mistress (9V) clone
« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2011, 04:55:06 AM »
I'm sorry...i mean :
i want to build this pedal,but i CANT find all tantalum cap in local store. can i substitute all tantalum cap with electrolyte cap?

oldschoolanalog

Re: EM3207 (v1.1) - MN3207 based EHX Electric Mistress (9V) clone
« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2011, 06:05:26 AM »
Yes!
Mystery lounge. No tables, chairs or waiters here. In fact, we're all quite alone.

kranja

Re: EM3207 (v1.1) - MN3207 based EHX Electric Mistress (9V) clone
« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2011, 02:26:35 AM »
Great design, thank you very much. I will give it try even if  I'm quite a beginner. Could you give me some more details about the off board wiring of the toggle switches, what kind of toggle switches do I need, what are those caps on the photos (I'm not sure if I need only one DPDT switch as stated in the pdf or an additional spdt switch which I'm not sure where to connect)? Has somebody allready fitted this board in a 1590BB enclosure, will this kind of pots fit this box http://www.banzaimusic.com/Alpha-16-PC-ANG-10k-lin.html ?

Thomeeque

Re: EM3207 (v1.1) - MN3207 based EHX Electric Mistress (9V) clone
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2011, 09:13:00 AM »
Great design, thank you very much. I will give it try even if  I'm quite a beginner. Could you give me some more details about the off board wiring of the toggle switches, what kind of toggle switches do I need, what are those caps on the photos (I'm not sure if I need only one DPDT switch as stated in the pdf or an additional spdt switch which I'm not sure where to connect)?

 Hi, you're welcome :) Switch with caps you see on the photos is one of "ADVICED MODS" ("Play with C17 (clock cap)..") Just ignore it for this moment, build it and make it working without any mods first. There is only one switch in the basic version, mode switch (SW_MODE), it is DPDT switch and it's wiring is indicated on the schematic. OK, maybe this way it's more obvious:

 

Has somebody allready fitted this board in a 1590BB enclosure, will this kind of pots fit this box http://www.banzaimusic.com/Alpha-16-PC-ANG-10k-lin.html ?

 Looks like this type. There's only 16-9.3-4.9=1.8mm space between PCB and back of pot. You need at least 8mm (height of the IC in the precise socket) space there. Either look for more suitable pot type* or you may try to straighten legs and bend them as close to pot body as possible like this:

 

 This way you should theoretically gain 5.2mm, remaining 1mm you could gain by using shim (I'm not sure it's best word for what I mean, but it should be obvious from the picture) between PCB and the indention on pots leg (there should remain at least 1.5mm of the leg on soldering side of PCB for propper joint).

 Good luck, T.

* Edit: Ask ~arph :)
« Last Edit: June 16, 2011, 09:38:19 AM by Thomeeque »
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Mark Hammer

Re: EM3207 (v1.1) - MN3207 based EHX Electric Mistress (9V) clone
« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2011, 10:53:45 AM »
First, for doing all the work to redesign the circuit and board to accommodate a 3207.  Very much appreciated.  Not just by me, but by many others, I'm sure.

Second, the layout is very compact.  Compact enough, that a person could consider shoving two of them in the same pedal.  This creates some interesting possibilities.

First, there is the obvious possibility of splitting a mono input signal and having two asynchronous flanger outputs.
Second, there is the possibility of having a mixer and combining the two flanger signals into a single more complex mono output.
Third, there is the possibility of lifting the dry signal from each flanger outputs, and running them "stereo-out" to separate amps or mixer channels.  At slow sweep speeds, this can produce both apparent movement as the phase relationship between left and right keeps changing.  It can also produce "flanging in-air" (though that likely requires standing in the sweet spot).  At faster sweep speeds, you get stereo vibrato, which can be interesting.
Fourth, with dry lift, and setting one of them to "filter matrix" (non-swept) mode, combining flanger A and B gets you variations of through-zero flanging.

Clearly, throwing a pair of these into a suitably-sized chassis, that can accommodate both boards, a splitter/mixer board, additional jacks and toggles, can yield something truly wonderful.