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garcho

Little Angel Space Madness Mod
« on: February 26, 2012, 11:19:36 PM »
While noodling with the Little Angel on the breadboard, I connected an electrolytic cap (polarity didn't seem to matter) between the base of the 2N3904 and lug 3 of the 'depth' pot, and when you turn the depth knob all the way up ('turn the depth up' sounds like a contradiction  :icon_lol:), the Little Angel turns into a bizarro space madness pitch shifting warbler. The 'speed' needs to be in the quickest 20% for the effect to occur. At 80% speed, it sounds like a sine wave LFO doing some weird pitch shifting. At 100% speed, it sounds like a psychedelic machine gun made out of sparkly star candy. I don't know anything about electronics so I don't know why it works. I suppose the cap is charging and discharging from the transistor switching, and affecting the time control on the PT2399? Anyway, I'm about to put it into an enclosure, with a toggle switch for 'space madness' mode, and I'll do a video demo, so y'all can hear it. If anyone has Little Angel on the breadboard, I suggest checking out this super easy FSU mod. Any suggestions on taking this mod further?

« Last Edit: February 26, 2012, 11:21:29 PM by garcho »
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Re: Little Angel Space Madness Mod
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2012, 07:43:16 AM »
it doesn't exists if theres no sample of it :)

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Re: Little Angel Space Madness Mod
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2012, 11:17:07 AM »
While noodling with the Little Angel on the breadboard, I connected an electrolytic cap (polarity didn't seem to matter) between the base of the 2N3904 and lug 3 of the 'depth' pot, and when you turn the depth knob all the way up ('turn the depth up' sounds like a contradiction  :icon_lol:), the Little Angel turns into a bizarro space madness pitch shifting warbler. The 'speed' needs to be in the quickest 20% for the effect to occur. At 80% speed, it sounds like a sine wave LFO doing some weird pitch shifting. At 100% speed, it sounds like a psychedelic machine gun made out of sparkly star candy. I don't know anything about electronics so I don't know why it works. I suppose the cap is charging and discharging from the transistor switching, and affecting the time control on the PT2399? Anyway, I'm about to put it into an enclosure, with a toggle switch for 'space madness' mode, and I'll do a video demo, so y'all can hear it. If anyone has Little Angel on the breadboard, I suggest checking out this super easy FSU mod. Any suggestions on taking this mod further?



OHHHH mind another mod for this incredible pedal!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thanks!!! I've tuned here for the videos!!!!!!!!

garcho

Re: Little Angel Space Madness Mod
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2012, 10:28:54 PM »
So, I haven't put it in an enclosure yet, but I wanted to make this demo for the unbelievers  ;) 
Here's a super boring demo for the 'space madness' mod. Bear with me - if you like weirdness, you'll be excited about this mod. Disregard my mumbling. There are more sounds to get out of this mod when the speed knob is turned down a bit from 100%, mostly heavy warble, but I forgot while recording and you'll get the idea from what's there anyway. The hi-fi fanatic that I am, I recorded this with my laptop's built-in mic. Homemade strat plugged into a Tiny Giant.

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Re: Little Angel Space Madness Mod
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2012, 11:22:48 PM »
That is freaking cool.
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Re: Little Angel Space Madness Mod
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2012, 02:56:53 AM »
Thanks! If you haven't built a Little Angel yet, here's your excuse.
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Re: Little Angel Space Madness Mod
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2012, 09:16:28 AM »
Obviously limited utility for a great many musicians, but an interesting effect nonetheless.  What I am most struck by is just how many analog synth modules it would have likely taken to produce that same sound "in olden times".

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Re: Little Angel Space Madness Mod
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2012, 12:04:16 PM »
oh, great, ANOTHER thing to add to the build list!!!!

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Re: Little Angel Space Madness Mod
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2012, 12:29:55 PM »
Amazing, I have no idea what's happening there but it sounds twisted. Good work!
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Re: Little Angel Space Madness Mod
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2012, 12:34:35 PM »
excellent. curiosity has had the PT2399 bubbling near the top of my must try ic wish list for a while - that vid just about seals it and pushes it right to the top. nice one.

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Re: Little Angel Space Madness Mod
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2012, 01:01:38 PM »
Very cool. I might have to try this with my build.

garcho

Re: Little Angel Space Madness Mod
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2012, 07:51:35 PM »
Thanks y'all! All credit rests with Rick Holt's design; I just throw caps and diodes in weird places and see what happens. Speaking of, if anyone out there is into synths and noise makers (CMOS style) caps and diodes are the perfect things to toss randomly into R2R networks, being mindful of the wattage. I hack in the low voltage/amperage universe, so not much of a concern for me.

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Obviously limited utility

Definitely. I was fantasizing that one of the local geniuses here could come up with ways to expand this effect. (hint hint ;)) I'll keep plugging along with some similar PT2399 designs, but don't nobody hold yer breath!
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Re: Little Angel Space Madness Mod
« Reply #12 on: February 29, 2012, 12:24:08 PM »
it's been bothering me since i heard it the other day - your vid reminds me of the sample near the start of this awesome, dance floor filling tune (31s in): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etviGf1uWlg&ob=av3e

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hmmm... not quite... if remixed by raymond scott perhaps?

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« Last Edit: February 29, 2012, 12:32:27 PM by artifus »

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Re: Little Angel Space Madness Mod
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2012, 06:48:50 AM »
@garcho: i'm breading this today finally, ive been looking forward to this cool project of ricks.. :icon_cool:..., is this the working schematic with the pin 6 fix?...does it still have any issues?...

i fancy prodding it around too... ;)

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Re: Little Angel Space Madness Mod
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2012, 11:40:48 PM »
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is this the working schematic with the pin 6 fix?
Yep.

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does it still have any issues?
Nope.

Let us know if you discover anything. I've been meaning to look at this more but haven't had the time. Cheers!
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Re: Little Angel Space Madness Mod
« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2012, 04:06:51 AM »
will do... ;)
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Re: Little Angel Space Madness Mod
« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2012, 04:01:16 PM »
This is on deck for sure!!!



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Re: Little Angel Space Madness Mod
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2012, 06:21:06 PM »
Ha! Can't wait to hear what people do with this strange nugget. Has anyone noodled with this yet? I still can't figure out how to expand this outside of swapping cap values. 10-47uF seemed to be optimal for weirdness. Polarity alters the rate and depth very slightly, value a little more.

Here's a pic of my Little Angel with the Space Madness mod, called 'Weird Angel':



The pineapple is for added weirdness factor.
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Re: Little Angel Space Madness Mod
« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2012, 05:02:31 AM »
Ha! Can't wait to hear what people do with this strange nugget. Has anyone noodled with this yet? I still can't figure out how to expand this outside of swapping cap values. 10-47uF seemed to be optimal for weirdness. Polarity alters the rate and depth very slightly, value a little more.

Here's a pic of my Little Angel with the Space Madness mod, called 'Weird Angel':



The pineapple is for added weirdness factor.

will try it for sure  ;D

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Re: Little Angel Space Madness Mod
« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2012, 10:10:44 AM »
What an awesome job!