Author Topic: BLACK FOREST High Gain Preamp - Based on the Bogner Uberschall  (Read 347843 times)

nightendday

Re: BLACK FOREST High Gain Preamp - Based on the Bogner Uberschall
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2012, 04:05:46 AM »
Here's a quick crappy demo, dry as a bone.. too much gain :-\

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11178619/BlackForest2.mp3
What was the recording chain? I always make that as simple, as I can - guitar>effect>line input in the PC>some guitar cab impulses on reaper, using LePou LeCab plugin.
When I put your sample through some impulses it sounded better, you know. ;p

No kidding, that sounds BEAST with the cab sims. I WILL be building this.

bancika

Re: BLACK FOREST High Gain Preamp - Based on the Bogner Uberschall
« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2012, 05:49:04 AM »


that's one of the nicest layouts I've seen drawn in my diylc :proud: :)
The new version of DIY Layout Creator is out, check it out here


sugonidamaso

Re: BLACK FOREST High Gain Preamp - Based on the Bogner Uberschall
« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2012, 06:53:25 AM »
Hmmm. Thinking to change my Dr. Boogie :icon_mrgreen:. What a heavy sound! Great work Jim! Thank you!
" The greatest inspiration is often born out of desperation--so be DESPERATE! "

danielzink

Re: BLACK FOREST High Gain Preamp - Based on the Bogner Uberschall
« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2012, 07:15:10 AM »

Why the jumper between R18 and C22 ?

Dan

pakrat

Re: BLACK FOREST High Gain Preamp - Based on the Bogner Uberschall
« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2012, 09:39:26 AM »
Here's a quick crappy demo, dry as a bone.. too much gain :-\

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11178619/BlackForest2.mp3
What was the recording chain? I always make that as simple, as I can - guitar>effect>line input in the PC>some guitar cab impulses on reaper, using LePou LeCab plugin.
When I put your sample through some impulses it sounded better, you know. ;p

No kidding, that sounds BEAST with the cab sims. I WILL be building this.

Any chance of someone posting a sample with the cab sims on it?  ;D

J0K3RX

Re: BLACK FOREST High Gain Preamp - Based on the Bogner Uberschall
« Reply #25 on: September 04, 2012, 11:39:35 AM »
Here's a quick crappy demo, dry as a bone.. too much gain :-\

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11178619/BlackForest2.mp3
What was the recording chain? I always make that as simple, as I can - guitar>effect>line input in the PC>some guitar cab impulses on reaper, using LePou LeCab plugin.
When I put your sample through some impulses it sounded better, you know. ;p

Really cheap Jay Turser 7 string, I payed $150.00 for it brand new and it has some let's say less than good pickups in it... -> DIY TS808 tubescreamer with the level on about 3 or 4. tone in the middle/12noon and the drive all the way off -> Black Forest -> Line 6 GX USB recording device -> Reaper -> LeCab with some shitty impulse... that's it. If you have any impulses you would like for me to use then send them to me and I will use them  :icon_biggrin: Plus, I need some good impulses... All I have is some crappy ones I downloaded from guitarampmodeling.com about 2 years ago.
Doesn't matter what you did to get it... If it sounds good, then it is good!

J0K3RX

Re: BLACK FOREST High Gain Preamp - Based on the Bogner Uberschall
« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2012, 11:57:55 AM »

Why the jumper between R18 and C22 ?

Dan

There was a 470k resistor there but I removed it and replace it with a jumper to increase the output volume... I guess I could go back into the layout and extend the trace, maybe later after I get final Rev of this board. In the schematic there is a final buffer stage after the tone stack that I left off. I may add that back in and see how it sounds? I left it off to save on parts like another J201 etc and to keep it smaller board wise. I really wish I could make a board with the boost circuit, full Uberschall layout and on-board pots and maybe a speaker emulator! But, that is a friggin task and I am dyslexic which makes on-board pots a nightmare! Everytime I try to make on-board pots I get one or two of them reversed and that right there PISSES ME OFF!!! :icon_twisted:

@ bancika - Thanks man! DIYLC is a great program! Is there any way to create a ground plain in it? I use it to draw out the boards and layout the part diagrams but then I have to recreate the board in Sprint so I can add GP... Sprint sucks for part diagrams but kills on the boards.
Doesn't matter what you did to get it... If it sounds good, then it is good!


meffcio

Re: BLACK FOREST High Gain Preamp - Based on the Bogner Uberschall
« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2012, 12:47:55 PM »
If you have any impulses you would like for me to use then send them to me and I will use them  :icon_biggrin: Plus, I need some good impulses... All I have is some crappy ones I downloaded from guitarampmodeling.com about 2 years ago.
Dude, I'm shocked :D
http://signalsaudio.com/Products/Gods_Cab_1.4.zip

that's one of the nicest layouts I've seen drawn in my diylc :proud: :)
Lol. And I was wondering what soft did he use. I am shocked again.

@ bancika - Thanks man! DIYLC is a great program! Is there any way to create a ground plain in it?
I can tell you how I've done ground planes in DIYLC. Tracks. Whole lotta tracks. :D


Some impulese: http://relivethefuture.com/music/patches/GuitarHacksImpulses.rar
Yeah, some of them are also ok. The point is to use more than one at a time. ;)

Any chance of someone posting a sample with the cab sims on it?  ;D
Well, I'm not a producer, so it's still bad, but you get the idea.
http://www38.zippyshare.com/v/60407449/file.html
« Last Edit: September 04, 2012, 01:04:25 PM by meffcio »

artifus

Re: BLACK FOREST High Gain Preamp - Based on the Bogner Uberschall
« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2012, 02:15:14 PM »
@ bancika - Thanks man! DIYLC is a great program! Is there any way to create a ground plain in it? I use it to draw out the boards and layout the part diagrams but then I have to recreate the board in Sprint so I can add GP... Sprint sucks for part diagrams but kills on the boards.

diylc 3.13 and up offer ground planes.

pakrat

Re: BLACK FOREST High Gain Preamp - Based on the Bogner Uberschall
« Reply #30 on: September 04, 2012, 02:49:22 PM »
@meffcio  That sounds great man, impulses really bring out the punch.

nightendday

Re: BLACK FOREST High Gain Preamp - Based on the Bogner Uberschall
« Reply #31 on: September 04, 2012, 02:54:12 PM »
Here's a quick crappy demo, dry as a bone.. too much gain :-\

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11178619/BlackForest2.mp3
What was the recording chain? I always make that as simple, as I can - guitar>effect>line input in the PC>some guitar cab impulses on reaper, using LePou LeCab plugin.
When I put your sample through some impulses it sounded better, you know. ;p

No kidding, that sounds BEAST with the cab sims. I WILL be building this.

Any chance of someone posting a sample with the cab sims on it?  ;D



pakrat

Re: BLACK FOREST High Gain Preamp - Based on the Bogner Uberschall
« Reply #32 on: September 04, 2012, 03:22:53 PM »
That sounds pretty monstrous!

Re: BLACK FOREST High Gain Preamp - Based on the Bogner Uberschall
« Reply #33 on: September 04, 2012, 03:33:51 PM »
Oh, I've gotta build this. I have the AMT clone of the Bogner Ecstasy, but this sounds even more aggressive.

J0K3RX

Re: BLACK FOREST High Gain Preamp - Based on the Bogner Uberschall
« Reply #34 on: September 04, 2012, 03:37:55 PM »
Nah, I use diylc to make the initial board and layout and then I flip over to Sprint and re-create the board...  :icon_confused: I will have to check into the diylc GP thing.. maybe I am missing it, maybe using older version?



@ meffcio and pakrat - Thanks for all those impulse links! Now I am gonna get lost sorting through all of them :icon_rolleyes:

Here she is... naked :icon_redface:
« Last Edit: September 04, 2012, 03:49:35 PM by J0K3RX »
Doesn't matter what you did to get it... If it sounds good, then it is good!

artifus

Re: BLACK FOREST High Gain Preamp - Based on the Bogner Uberschall
« Reply #35 on: September 04, 2012, 03:44:51 PM »
check your light bulb - bottom right - in diylc for updates. gp is under connectivity - the big black block.

bunch of ampsim stuff here: http://www.guitarampmodeling.com - mostly freeware.

*edit* nice board!
« Last Edit: September 04, 2012, 04:09:43 PM by artifus »

pakrat

Re: BLACK FOREST High Gain Preamp - Based on the Bogner Uberschall
« Reply #36 on: September 04, 2012, 04:57:01 PM »
Nah, I use diylc to make the initial board and layout and then I flip over to Sprint and re-create the board...  :icon_confused: I will have to check into the diylc GP thing.. maybe I am missing it, maybe using older version?



@ meffcio and pakrat - Thanks for all those impulse links! Now I am gonna get lost sorting through all of them :icon_rolleyes:

Here she is... naked :icon_redface:


Drool......

J0K3RX

Re: BLACK FOREST High Gain Preamp - Based on the Bogner Uberschall
« Reply #37 on: September 05, 2012, 09:34:43 PM »
I don't know if I posted this already but R16 should be 10k not 100k... The boost switch doesn't do a whole lot to justify a switch, may just want to remove R11 and replace with a jumper... Thinking changing R15 or adding a switch to say 560 or 680 range maybe lower may give some added gain/boost? Will try that tonight..

EDIT: Ok, I changed R15 to 680 and WHOA!!! This thing is smokin bad@ss now folks!!!

10k on R16 is a must... All the knobs function really well now!!!
« Last Edit: September 06, 2012, 03:16:47 AM by J0K3RX »
Doesn't matter what you did to get it... If it sounds good, then it is good!

scuzzphut

Re: BLACK FOREST High Gain Preamp - Based on the Bogner Uberschall
« Reply #38 on: September 07, 2012, 06:27:05 AM »
Just listened to the mp3 clips - I will have to build this - great work Jok3rx.

If anyone in the UK plans to get some PCBs done, I will happily buy one.  Otherwise it's vero for me...  :icon_cry:

scuzzphut

Re: BLACK FOREST High Gain Preamp - Based on the Bogner Uberschall
« Reply #39 on: September 12, 2012, 03:23:47 PM »
.............. this kills the thread.


Anyways - off the back of this topic, I just ordered some press-n-peel, copper board and ferric chloride.

Wish me luck !!!  :)