is this just a clean boost with a sales pitch?

Started by marrstians, January 24, 2004, 08:59:03 PM

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Ansil

Quote from: Bill_F
Quote from: Ansilnot a bad idea there bill  i was thinking of doing a tutorial of one of these

That would be great!  :lol:

hey bill did you see my death by audio tutorial??

http://diystompboxes.com/sboxforum/viewtopic.php?t=18135

Bill_F

Quote from: Ansil
Quote from: Bill_F
Quote from: Ansilnot a bad idea there bill  i was thinking of doing a tutorial of one of these

That would be great!  :lol:

hey bill did you see my death by audio tutorial??

http://diystompboxes.com/sboxforum/viewtopic.php?t=18135

Yeah, I checked it out. Good stuff.  :lol:

Ansil

Quote from: Bill_Fi've been toying with doing one of these boxes with the passive volume control, but put two switches on it. A regular on/off and a momentary. Momentary could be used for quick lead fills.

http://geocities.com/austenfantanio/newtutoril.htm

j.everman

Well, that clone of my "THE POT" unit is close
but not correct...values are off and your missing
a componet still......
J.Everman
Custom Analog Effects
www.jeverman.com

runmikeyrun

hmmm.... looks like my "Mr. Clean" device... which came first the chicken or the egg?  Haha i'll bet someone else's was first.  So much for my great "invention"  but it's basically the same thing: passive volume control with a capacitor to bypass highs.  Mine is $60.





and a sound sample to boot:
(recorded with 100 watt JCM 800 with Gibson Les Paul)

http://www.vmsrecords.com/dissolute/mrclean.mp3

Nevermind the cheesy tune...  :oops:
Bassist for Foul Spirits
Head tinkerer at Torch Effects
Instagram: @torcheffects

Likes: old motorcycles, old music
Dislikes: old women

j.everman

I'd been getting a few custom project requests for pedals such as this
so I decided to put it up on our web page...yes we charge alot for
one....but thats to cover my time, I'd rather be building new cool
effects that are active rather than these passive units. So if I have
to give up R&D time for them then it has to be worth it and be able
to fund my other projects..... The circuit is basically the one you will
find in alot of higher end guitars........
J.Everman
Custom Analog Effects
www.jeverman.com

runmikeyrun

I use a 500k audio taper pot, anywhere from 250-470pF cap, a dpdt true bypass switch, and two jacks.  Add a box and that's the total parts count.  Yeah $60 or $95 does seem expensive but those parts will cost you about $30 or so, and then add in your time painting and doing the graphics.  "the pot" has a higher parts count with the led, lens, and power jack although to the builder's advantage it appears to come in a black anodized hammond box instead of paint and graphics.

I have a terribly drawn schematic but it has the incorrect values and i would feel embarassed posting it here, especially in front of my "competitors"  :)
Bassist for Foul Spirits
Head tinkerer at Torch Effects
Instagram: @torcheffects

Likes: old motorcycles, old music
Dislikes: old women

aron

Quote from: smoguzbenjaminYeah but think of the amount of people that can't make one themselves, or don't want to get into DIY! :shock:

This is very true. Remember before you got into this??? For me, I was going to buy a used LBP-1 for about a $100!!!!!

That's where I was.

That's not very far from the volume pot w/treble leak cap.

We are very lucky!

Ansil

Quote from: aron
Quote from: smoguzbenjaminYeah but think of the amount of people that can't make one themselves, or don't want to get into DIY! :shock:

This is very true. Remember before you got into this??? For me, I was going to buy a used LBP-1 for about a $100!!!!!

That's where I was.

That's not very far from the volume pot w/treble leak cap.

We are very lucky!
i wanted to publicly take the time to say thanks to j.everman for being cool about this.  some people can be extreme dicks here over the same type of thing.  and i did take the time to change the format and state that this wasn't a true clone of his pedal, as with all clones we tend to go our own way and add our own mods to it.  like the idea for adding a momentary switch listed for lead fills that is great.  also iam updating the article to add the lead switch in there for fills

aron

A few points to ponder:

A treble-leak cap does not function when the pot is set to max. Apparently this one does.

Fender vs. Gibson guitars have different value pots. Typically 250K vs. 500K.

Even if it was a treble-leak, there are more than one version of a treble-leak. A better taper with the treble-leak can be done with an additional resistor. (Hint kinman.com).

Lights take power and power takes additional parts.

etc... etc...

csj

Yeah, that was very cool of  Mr J. Everman. I'm not any good at the whole diy pedal building thing myself anyway so when I need to get something that I'm sure will work I'll check your site first to see what's new. I hope you sell (almost) more that you can make.

Mark Hammer

After some cynical, then realistic discussion on the Ampage effects forum, Everman responded as follows:

1) Some folks want a simple preset passive volume drop.
2) Volume pedals will do this but you have to move your foot to the right position, since the pedal doesn't "remember".
3) An even larger number of folks would probably take their own eye out and those of several others if they ever attempted to do anything as simple as solder up a volume pot.

I doubt whether he would have ever "developed" and marketed this as a pedal on his own because it is just too boneheaded.  At the same time, musicians *asked* him for something like this...repeatedly...so he sells it.

I work in human resource management policy/research, and the number of organizations who think they have to hire consultants to teach them how to be fair and decent to employees strikes me as even more baffling than the notion that Everman finds a market for a passive pot in a box with two jacks and a switch.  My mom taught me how to be nice.  She never taught me how to solder.

Could Jimi have made one for himself?  Probably not.  Nuff said.

Doug H

Quote from: Mark HammerAfter some cynical, then realistic discussion on the Ampage effects forum, Everman responded as follows:

I was one of the cynics and I take back everything I said. There is a use for this sort of thing for us who build our own "too hot" amps. A preset for "cooling things down" is a wonderful idea. J's cost justification makes a lot of sense too. Why shouldn't he cover his costs and make it worth his while, when he'd rather be doing more interesting things?

Just goes to show you can't make assumptions based on what you see on the surface. Lesson learned here.


Quote from: Mark Hammer
I work in human resource management policy/research, and the number of organizations who think they have to hire consultants to teach them how to be fair and decent to employees strikes me as even more baffling than the notion that Everman finds a market for a passive pot in a box with two jacks and a switch.  My mom taught me how to be nice.  She never taught me how to solder.

Even more baffling (and hilarious) is when the upper mgmt declares an edict for a major re-org. Then when all is said and done they spend big bucks on consultants to go around and interview the employees to basically ask them what the hell they think they are supposed to be doing.
("I don't know, this was -your- idea!")

A laugh a minute, I tell ya...

Doug

RDV

Quote from: aronA better taper with the treble-leak can be done with an additional resistor.
A 130 ohm resistor in series with the treble-leak cap to be exact. The missing part in Ansil's tutorial??

Regards

RDV

Bill_F

Quote from: Doug HWhy shouldn't he cover his costs and make it worth his while, when he'd rather be doing more interesting things?
Doug

I worked as a free lance graphic artist for quite awhile. On jobs I didn't want to do, I always bid higher than I did on jobs I liked to do. If I lost the bid no big thing, didn't want to do it anyway. If I won the bid, fantastic! I was making good money. Much better per hour than I made on the stuff I liked to do. So I was happy either way.