greets everyone!

this is kinda ot question, but i thought it would be proper thing to ask around here instead on ax84 forum...

i'm building the renegade amp from ax84.com site (already did the hioctane) and i'm thinking about putting effects loops.. and i will put them, one in the clean chanell and one in the overdrive...

i intend to use a chorus unit sometimes for clean and thereby i'm gonna put one in the clean chanell effect loop, and sometimes i will use a second chorus unit (with different setup) in the distortion chanell effects loop just to get wierd tunes while "playing" solos.

now my question...
should the chorus unit be after the distortion (in this case after the preamp) or before?

greets from croatia!  

Distortion before almost everything sounds best in my opinion. Otherwise the modulation effects are lost in the clipping & added harmonics.

Yeah, for sure put it after the distortion.

-Colin

thanx for the replies!

and when i put it in the effects loop (after the preamp), wouldn't that be too much signal for the pedal? will it start to distort?
should i use it before preamp or after in the clean chanell? (guess after, taking distortion logic with choruses)

cheers!

depends on the chorus you use. Rackmount gear usually fares well with line level (effects-loop after pre-amp). Some stompboxes actually cope quite well with this (my otherwise horrible Boss CH1 does), I'd say try it, and if it doesn't work pad down the loop's send output, and add some gain to the return recovery stage.
hih

mm yea I think choruses usually sound better after a preamp....they sound thicker that way...I always run my CE2 though my effects loop...and all my other pedals in front of my amp.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say it sounds best BOTH places.

I love smearing up delays and choruses BEFORE distortion. It sounds rawer and cooler to me.

After distortion is more traditonal and clean, but sometimes more boring....

Try it both ways. Wah sounds TOTALLY different before or after distortion. Use your ears.

Roger

Oneof the things about inserting a chorus after a distortion is that there is a harmonically richer signal to impose notches in.  As well, distortions generally compress the signal and that works in favour of the chorus, which has a hard time coping with big transients.  Finally, the lowpass filtering in the chorus, which you need for the clock and other noise, "warms up" the sound of the distortion by rolling off some of the fizz.


An extremely rich-sounding chorus effect will occur if you run your amp in stereo like the old Roland JC-60/120 amps.  These fed the delayed/wet signal to one channel/speaker and the other (dry) signal to a second channel.  Sounds huge.  These had a single common preamp and tone stack, but went through separate power amps to separate speakers.